(04-29-2017 10:52 PM)Stammers Wrote:  

(04-29-2017 08:16 PM)Joe1 Wrote:  

(04-29-2017 07:18 PM)cmt Wrote:  

(04-29-2017 06:26 PM)Joe1 Wrote:  Nothing wrong with this statement. My position is if these statements bother you don't go to the games, watch another team. It's simple.

This is a really poor reply. If you think a fan that complains needs to find another team you will have the arena all to yourself quicker than you think. The coaches, in essence, work for us, the fans. There would be no team without fans. Just like any other business. Without customers, there would be no business. Customers complain. And, you know what, the customer is always right.

Pulling against the rope isn't going to ever help. He is in year two. Year two. That's year two. So if you are interested in the Tigers thriving you may want to get behind him and the program. If he doesn't there will be plenty of time to protest and get a mob to rush the offices. I'll be up front. But at this juncture it's prudent to wait and see by giving him a fair shake/chance.

Yes, year two and he has blown it with his first full recruiting class after not getting anyone that offered long term help last year. I was interested to find out when Tubby would start recruiting players that are more highly ranked and he just told everyone that the answer is never and the problem is apparently NOT Tubby. The problem is apparently Memphis.

I guess we don't have the facilities and the brand that is worthy of recruits in the top 100. I guess there are 100 programs in the country with better facilities and a better brand than us.

and before someone jumps on you, here's Tubby's take on it from the beat writer:

Quote:Smith insisted, though, that the landscape is different now because of the growing gap in resources between Memphis and schools in the power five conferences. That distinction, he noted, influences recruiting. It’s why his perception of what prospects the Tigers should be pursuing at the moment differs from that of the fan base.

(04-29-2017 06:12 PM)Tiger65 Wrote:  “I don’t care if he’s a four-, five- or three-star. It doesn’t matter to me,” Smith said. “He fits what we want to do and the style of play and the kids I want to coach, and the type of kids that I think will represent this program.”
“I’m realistic about who we can get, for number one, and who we have a chance of getting,” Smith said. “That’s not denigrating the program at all. If we can get a five star, the No. 1 player in the country, hell yeah. We’re going to do everything we can. But when you take over a program, I don’t care where you are, there’s going to be a period there where you have to build your brand, build what you are.”

When did Frank Martin say anything like this?

Why does everyone think because Frank Martin finally put together a great team, that SCarolina couldn't have brought in someone else for 3 mill and made it faster. lol

How much is Martin getting paid anyway?

(04-29-2017 10:52 PM)Stammers Wrote:  

(04-29-2017 08:16 PM)Joe1 Wrote:  

(04-29-2017 07:18 PM)cmt Wrote:  

(04-29-2017 06:26 PM)Joe1 Wrote:  Nothing wrong with this statement. My position is if these statements bother you don't go to the games, watch another team. It's simple.

This is a really poor reply. If you think a fan that complains needs to find another team you will have the arena all to yourself quicker than you think. The coaches, in essence, work for us, the fans. There would be no team without fans. Just like any other business. Without customers, there would be no business. Customers complain. And, you know what, the customer is always right.

Pulling against the rope isn't going to ever help. He is in year two. Year two. That's year two. So if you are interested in the Tigers thriving you may want to get behind him and the program. If he doesn't there will be plenty of time to protest and get a mob to rush the offices. I'll be up front. But at this juncture it's prudent to wait and see by giving him a fair shake/chance.

Yes, year two and he has blown it with his first full recruiting class after not getting anyone that offered long term help last year. I was interested to find out when Tubby would start recruiting players that are more highly ranked and he just told everyone that the answer is never and the problem is apparently NOT Tubby. The problem is apparently Memphis.

I guess we don't have the facilities and the brand that is worthy of recruits in the top 100. I guess there are 100 programs in the country with better facilities and a better brand than us.

Don't exclude a crazed fan base that's trying to belittle a legendary, HOF coach. Recruits are very much aware of the maltreatment this coach in his first year is receiving. Memphis is a laughing stock as no other coach in the country would receive this kind of inequitable treatment. The negative fans play a pivotal role in recruits not wanting to play for Memphis. These kids play for the coach not the school. Who in the hell would want to play for a school with these kinds of fans? No one. It's out of respect for the coaches that they choose to play at this university. Tubby is not going pay for play, which makes one inquisitive about JP's so called squeaky clean image. He wasn't so innocent after all.

(04-29-2017 08:35 PM)BuccTiger Wrote:  

(04-29-2017 08:31 PM)hsvtiger Wrote:  

(04-29-2017 08:19 PM)Joe1 Wrote:  

(04-29-2017 08:11 PM)BuccTiger Wrote:  

(04-29-2017 08:00 PM)Tiger1983 Wrote:  Per ESPN, South Carolina's roster this year included four 4* and he recruited another two 4* for the 2017 cycle.

HOW MANY YEARS DID IT TAKE FOR FRANK MARTIN TO GET THAT LEVEL OF RECRUIT AT SOUTH CAROLINA?

I don't know, but I would bet it wasn't immediately?

Good point. Josh was coddled while Tubby is blasted. It's bizarre.

Frank Martin at SCar
2012-13...14-18
2013-14...14-20
2014-15...17-16
2015-16...25-9
2016-17...26-11

He would have been fired by the message board if he had that record at Memphis.

South Carolina BEFORE Frank Martin
1974 - 2016 (43 years)
0 - Final Four
0 - Elite 8
0 - Sweet 16
5 - NCAA Tournament appearances
0 - NCAA wins

Memphis BEFORE Tubby
1973 - 2016 (44 years)
3 - Final Four
6 - Elite 8
11 - Sweet 16
23 - NCAA Tournament appearances
37 - NCAA wins

The previous posts were supposedly going to show how we were being rough on poor old Tubby, but the funny thing is that they prove the exact opposite.

South Carolina has a brand alright, a completely ******, useless brand. Yes it took Frank Martin 4 years before he got it right, but he took a HORRIBLE school and turned it around. You can argue convincingly that South Carolina is a shittier job than both Minnesota and Texas Tech and you can easily argue that Memphis is 10X the job that any of the 3 mentioned.

Tubby has floated through and wasted 2 recruiting classes. No above average D1 point guard, power forward or center on the roster, and he managed to run off a solid 2 guard and his own recruit after one season.

So the "simple" thing to do is to rightfully blast Tubby for having the ******* nerve to talk **** about Memphis not having a brand, having to build a brand here, and not being able to attract top recruits here.

(04-29-2017 10:42 PM)Ttaylor Wrote:  

(04-29-2017 08:28 PM)cmt Wrote:  

(04-29-2017 08:16 PM)Joe1 Wrote:  

(04-29-2017 07:18 PM)cmt Wrote:  

(04-29-2017 06:26 PM)Joe1 Wrote:  Nothing wrong with this statement. My position is if these statements bother you don't go to the games, watch another team. It's simple.

This is a really poor reply. If you think a fan that complains needs to find another team you will have the arena all to yourself quicker than you think. The coaches, in essence, work for us, the fans. There would be no team without fans. Just like any other business. Without customers, there would be no business. Customers complain. And, you know what, the customer is always right.

Pulling against the rope isn't going to ever help. He is in year two. Year two. That's year two. So if you are interested in the Tigers thriving you may want to get behind him and the program. If he doesn't there will be plenty of time to protest and get a mob to rush the offices. I'll be up front. But at this juncture it's prudent to wait and see by giving him a fair shake/chance.

He is an unbelievably experienced coach, by far the most years coaching D1 than any other coach we've hired. He acts as if he doesn't even care, and says things that make you think he's not even trying. I wish I had employers who would let me act like him for a couple of years before anything above mediocre was expected.

Based on your warped interpretation how did you manage to make this erroneous assumption all by yourself? Damn!

Do you know what is warped? Tubby inherited a front line consisting of Dedric Lawson, and Nick Marshall; and knew Marshall was flunking out and what was one of the first things he did when he got the job here?

He went on a frigging vacation. Does that smell like a coach who is hungry and will do anything to make sure the job gets done, or someone who just won the lottery and was cashing in?

(04-29-2017 10:35 PM)BuccTiger Wrote:  

(04-29-2017 10:12 PM)BuccTiger Wrote:  

(04-29-2017 08:35 PM)BuccTiger Wrote:  

(04-29-2017 08:31 PM)hsvtiger Wrote:  

(04-29-2017 08:19 PM)Joe1 Wrote:  Good point. Josh was coddled while Tubby is blasted. It's bizarre.

Frank Martin at SCar
2012-13...14-18
2013-14...14-20
2014-15...17-16
2015-16...25-9
2016-17...26-11

He would have been fired by the message board if he had that record at Memphis.

Bumpety

Bumpety

Remember replace the word colors with stars as you guys' Mom's be singing your lullabies tonight.

What's the percentage of the miserables being season tickets holders? Probability...very low percentage and ironically...they're the loudest and the most negative. Smdh

(04-29-2017 11:17 PM)Stammers Wrote:  

(04-29-2017 10:42 PM)Ttaylor Wrote:  

(04-29-2017 08:28 PM)cmt Wrote:  

(04-29-2017 08:16 PM)Joe1 Wrote:  

(04-29-2017 07:18 PM)cmt Wrote:  This is a really poor reply. If you think a fan that complains needs to find another team you will have the arena all to yourself quicker than you think. The coaches, in essence, work for us, the fans. There would be no team without fans. Just like any other business. Without customers, there would be no business. Customers complain. And, you know what, the customer is always right.

Pulling against the rope isn't going to ever help. He is in year two. Year two. That's year two. So if you are interested in the Tigers thriving you may want to get behind him and the program. If he doesn't there will be plenty of time to protest and get a mob to rush the offices. I'll be up front. But at this juncture it's prudent to wait and see by giving him a fair shake/chance.

He is an unbelievably experienced coach, by far the most years coaching D1 than any other coach we've hired. He acts as if he doesn't even care, and says things that make you think he's not even trying. I wish I had employers who would let me act like him for a couple of years before anything above mediocre was expected.

Based on your warped interpretation how did you manage to make this erroneous assumption all by yourself? Damn!

Do you know what is warped? Tubby inherited a front line consisting of Dedric Lawson, and Nick Marshall; and knew Marshall was flunking out and what was one of the first things he did when he got the job here?

He went on a frigging vacation. Does that smell like a coach who is hungry and will do anything to make sure the job gets done, or someone who just won the lottery and was cashing in?

(04-29-2017 11:26 PM)Ttaylor Wrote:  

(04-29-2017 11:17 PM)Stammers Wrote:  

(04-29-2017 10:42 PM)Ttaylor Wrote:  

(04-29-2017 08:28 PM)cmt Wrote:  

(04-29-2017 08:16 PM)Joe1 Wrote:  Pulling against the rope isn't going to ever help. He is in year two. Year two. That's year two. So if you are interested in the Tigers thriving you may want to get behind him and the program. If he doesn't there will be plenty of time to protest and get a mob to rush the offices. I'll be up front. But at this juncture it's prudent to wait and see by giving him a fair shake/chance.

He is an unbelievably experienced coach, by far the most years coaching D1 than any other coach we've hired. He acts as if he doesn't even care, and says things that make you think he's not even trying. I wish I had employers who would let me act like him for a couple of years before anything above mediocre was expected.

Based on your warped interpretation how did you manage to make this erroneous assumption all by yourself? Damn!

Do you know what is warped? Tubby inherited a front line consisting of Dedric Lawson, and Nick Marshall; and knew Marshall was flunking out and what was one of the first things he did when he got the job here?

He went on a frigging vacation. Does that smell like a coach who is hungry and will do anything to make sure the job gets done, or someone who just won the lottery and was cashing in?

He's always been the authority for everything Tiger basketball and does it from Canada no less. It's amazing. I live here in Memphis but I need to be told what's going on with Tiger hoops and Tubby from some guy in another country.

Nothing has been proven until they play the damn games. Games that I'll be at, while super authority tells me what's going on from way the hell over there and maybe watches five games on tv a year. I most likely attend more road games than this guy watches on tv. Unreal.

(04-29-2017 11:26 PM)Ttaylor Wrote:  

(04-29-2017 11:17 PM)Stammers Wrote:  

(04-29-2017 10:42 PM)Ttaylor Wrote:  

(04-29-2017 08:28 PM)cmt Wrote:  

(04-29-2017 08:16 PM)Joe1 Wrote:  Pulling against the rope isn't going to ever help. He is in year two. Year two. That's year two. So if you are interested in the Tigers thriving you may want to get behind him and the program. If he doesn't there will be plenty of time to protest and get a mob to rush the offices. I'll be up front. But at this juncture it's prudent to wait and see by giving him a fair shake/chance.

He is an unbelievably experienced coach, by far the most years coaching D1 than any other coach we've hired. He acts as if he doesn't even care, and says things that make you think he's not even trying. I wish I had employers who would let me act like him for a couple of years before anything above mediocre was expected.

Based on your warped interpretation how did you manage to make this erroneous assumption all by yourself? Damn!

Do you know what is warped? Tubby inherited a front line consisting of Dedric Lawson, and Nick Marshall; and knew Marshall was flunking out and what was one of the first things he did when he got the job here?

He went on a frigging vacation. Does that smell like a coach who is hungry and will do anything to make sure the job gets done, or someone who just won the lottery and was cashing in?

How much youngnest does it take to tell your staff to go forth and recruit? They're pretty young.

(04-29-2017 11:34 PM)Joe1 Wrote:  

(04-29-2017 11:26 PM)Ttaylor Wrote:  

(04-29-2017 11:17 PM)Stammers Wrote:  

(04-29-2017 10:42 PM)Ttaylor Wrote:  

(04-29-2017 08:28 PM)cmt Wrote:  He is an unbelievably experienced coach, by far the most years coaching D1 than any other coach we've hired. He acts as if he doesn't even care, and says things that make you think he's not even trying. I wish I had employers who would let me act like him for a couple of years before anything above mediocre was expected.

Based on your warped interpretation how did you manage to make this erroneous assumption all by yourself? Damn!

Do you know what is warped? Tubby inherited a front line consisting of Dedric Lawson, and Nick Marshall; and knew Marshall was flunking out and what was one of the first things he did when he got the job here?

He went on a frigging vacation. Does that smell like a coach who is hungry and will do anything to make sure the job gets done, or someone who just won the lottery and was cashing in?

He's always been the authority for everything Tiger basketball and does it from Canada no less. It's amazing. I live here in Memphis but I need to be told what's going on with Tiger hoops and Tubby from some guy in another country.

Nothing has been proven until they play the damn games. Games that I'll be at, while super authority tells me what's going on from way the hell over there and maybe watches five games on tv a year. I most likely attend more road games than this guy watches on tv. Unreal.

Him being in another country does not make his comments false.

You are letting your emotions out on someone who disagrees with you.

(04-29-2017 11:20 PM)BuccTiger Wrote:  

(04-29-2017 10:35 PM)BuccTiger Wrote:  

(04-29-2017 10:12 PM)BuccTiger Wrote:  

(04-29-2017 08:35 PM)BuccTiger Wrote:  

(04-29-2017 08:31 PM)hsvtiger Wrote:  Frank Martin at SCar
2012-13...14-18
2013-14...14-20
2014-15...17-16
2015-16...25-9
2016-17...26-11

He would have been fired by the message board if he had that record at Memphis.

Bumpety

Bumpety

Remember replace the word colors with stars as you guys' Mom's be singing your lullabies tonight.

In case raps not your thang, just replace boom and bang,with stars. Your Moms may be able to pull this off easier?

(04-29-2017 11:36 PM)BandwagonJumper Wrote:  

(04-29-2017 11:34 PM)Joe1 Wrote:  

(04-29-2017 11:26 PM)Ttaylor Wrote:  

(04-29-2017 11:17 PM)Stammers Wrote:  

(04-29-2017 10:42 PM)Ttaylor Wrote:  Based on your warped interpretation how did you manage to make this erroneous assumption all by yourself? Damn!

Do you know what is warped? Tubby inherited a front line consisting of Dedric Lawson, and Nick Marshall; and knew Marshall was flunking out and what was one of the first things he did when he got the job here?

He went on a frigging vacation. Does that smell like a coach who is hungry and will do anything to make sure the job gets done, or someone who just won the lottery and was cashing in?

He's always been the authority for everything Tiger basketball and does it from Canada no less. It's amazing. I live here in Memphis but I need to be told what's going on with Tiger hoops and Tubby from some guy in another country.

Nothing has been proven until they play the damn games. Games that I'll be at, while super authority tells me what's going on from way the hell over there and maybe watches five games on tv a year. I most likely attend more road games than this guy watches on tv. Unreal.

Him being in another country does not make his comments false.

You are letting your emotions out on someone who disagrees with you.

(04-29-2017 11:41 PM)jamammy Wrote:  

(04-29-2017 11:36 PM)BandwagonJumper Wrote:  

(04-29-2017 11:34 PM)Joe1 Wrote:  

(04-29-2017 11:26 PM)Ttaylor Wrote:  

(04-29-2017 11:17 PM)Stammers Wrote:  Do you know what is warped? Tubby inherited a front line consisting of Dedric Lawson, and Nick Marshall; and knew Marshall was flunking out and what was one of the first things he did when he got the job here?

He went on a frigging vacation. Does that smell like a coach who is hungry and will do anything to make sure the job gets done, or someone who just won the lottery and was cashing in?

He's always been the authority for everything Tiger basketball and does it from Canada no less. It's amazing. I live here in Memphis but I need to be told what's going on with Tiger hoops and Tubby from some guy in another country.

Nothing has been proven until they play the damn games. Games that I'll be at, while super authority tells me what's going on from way the hell over there and maybe watches five games on tv a year. I most likely attend more road games than this guy watches on tv. Unreal.

Him being in another country does not make his comments false.

You are letting your emotions out on someone who disagrees with you.

(04-29-2017 11:36 PM)BandwagonJumper Wrote:  

(04-29-2017 11:34 PM)Joe1 Wrote:  

(04-29-2017 11:26 PM)Ttaylor Wrote:  

(04-29-2017 11:17 PM)Stammers Wrote:  

(04-29-2017 10:42 PM)Ttaylor Wrote:  Based on your warped interpretation how did you manage to make this erroneous assumption all by yourself? Damn!

Do you know what is warped? Tubby inherited a front line consisting of Dedric Lawson, and Nick Marshall; and knew Marshall was flunking out and what was one of the first things he did when he got the job here?

He went on a frigging vacation. Does that smell like a coach who is hungry and will do anything to make sure the job gets done, or someone who just won the lottery and was cashing in?

He's always been the authority for everything Tiger basketball and does it from Canada no less. It's amazing. I live here in Memphis but I need to be told what's going on with Tiger hoops and Tubby from some guy in another country.

Nothing has been proven until they play the damn games. Games that I'll be at, while super authority tells me what's going on from way the hell over there and maybe watches five games on tv a year. I most likely attend more road games than this guy watches on tv. Unreal.

Him being in another country does not make his comments false.

You are letting your emotions out on someone who disagrees with you.

Nope. No emotions at all. I simply disagree with him. Nothing I said wasn't true. I attend all the home games and a lot of road games. He acts like he knows everything and loves to argue with people. His reputation speaks to that.

Memphis had been irrelevant for awhile until Coach Cal made Memphis a brand again. Notably, Memphis had some success with Gene Bartow but how many hundreds of years ago was that ****! Then Dana had some success in the mid 80's with Keith Lee, Andre Turner, William Bedford, Baskerville Holmes, Bobby Parks, Doom Haynes, etc. Memphis has had some past success but not consecutive, winning success like your blue bloods (Kentucky, Kansas, Duke, North Carolina, etc.).

Cal spoiled us and put us on a culminating "high" to the point where some fans believed Memphis was being perceived on the same level as the P5 conferences and schools. Cal turn the Memphis brand into something incredibly special. Cal's departure left a void and diminished the brand. I understand the championship game Larry Finch played in against UCLA but how many decades ago? It took the infamous Coach Cal five seasons to turn the Memphis brand into nothing short of remarkable and amazing. Therefore, Memphis has yet to become a household brand as of yet. Memphis has the facilities because of an NBA franchise, Memphis does not have the resources P5 schools have or generate (revenue). Memphis has the capacity to become a brand with consecutive success and not sporadically every 100 years or so...I love this program. I'm too focused on Memphis rebuilding its brand again. More effort and less negativity. Go Tigers!!

Closing this one...which is good for some