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Heard an interesting interview Sat morning on 94.1 with a high school bball coach. He says the transfer explosion at the college level partly has it's roots in the increase of private schools all over the country. This has led to large scale movement of kids out of public schools and into privates that recruit kids. Re-classifying (I'd never heard of this) has become common place and kids now go off to college having already experienced transferring in high school.

(04-23-2017 05:10 PM)Old Dominion Wrote:  Heard an interesting interview Sat morning on 94.1 with a high school bball coach. He says the transfer explosion at the college level partly has it's roots in the increase of private schools all over the country. This has led to large scale movement of kids out of public schools and into privates that recruit kids. Re-classifying (I'd never heard of this) has become common place and kids now go off to college having already experienced transferring in high school.

True. Also, there is no stigma anymore in staying 5+ yrs in college unless you're going pro. So sitting out a year doesn't hinder their desire to transfer as it once did. Every case is different. Some "highly-rated" recruits go P5 with delusions of stardom, and realize that it's not all peaches & cream. They realize that outside of their conference schedule, there are non-P5 schools that provide similar amenities off the court. Also, there are players that blow up the scene in their non-P5 schools that thinks that they can get better exposure at a P5 school.

Ultimately, it seems that we are in an era where the traditional model of staying in a program for 4+ years is not what it used to be.

I caught the tail end of that I think. An interesting spin on scholarships was brought up by one of the guys. His argument was why does a kid who under normal circumstances never be able to attend college get to for free because he can run fast or jump high but a kid with a 3.9 gpa but can't afford to go can't. He was suggesting athletes get paid back for finishing. Not sure how that would work but a interesting take.

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I wish schools were held accountable for educating athletes, meaning I wish athletes were still students first. I wish the semi pro approach that college sports have more and more become over the last couple decades would be deemed unacceptable. I think what UNC did is shameful, not because of the unfair edge they gained (which is bad in its own right), but because of the disservice they did to the kids that they failed to educate. That is a university's mission, and the current state of college sports completely ignores it.

I have been on the side that players should not get paid from the beginning, because I believe a scholarship is invaluable, but how do I continue to believe in that argument when schools cease to make any effort to educate these kids. The entire state of the NCAA is really disheartening.

But, that said, I think the argument about kids with 3.9 GPA not being able to afford to go to college is BS. Everyone that is qualified and motivated can go to college, they may have a bunch of debt at the end, but they also have an education that will pay off in the long run.

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(04-23-2017 05:41 PM)bit_9 Wrote:  I caught the tail end of that I think. An interesting spin on scholarships was brought up by one of the guys. His argument was why does a kid who under normal circumstances never be able to attend college get to for free because he can run fast or jump high but a kid with a 3.9 gpa but can't afford to go can't. He was suggesting athletes get paid back for finishing. Not sure how that would work but a interesting take.

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Because there isn't a message board critiquing whether the 3.9 HS student should lose his/her scholarship if they have a 2.5 gpa after first semester or if they should lose it for underaged drinking or smoking weed

(04-23-2017 06:02 PM)Monarchblue Wrote:  I wish schools were held accountable for educating athletes, meaning I wish athletes were still students first. I wish the semi pro approach that college sports have more and more become over the last couple decades would be deemed unacceptable. I think what UNC did is shameful, not because of the unfair edge they gained (which is bad in its own right), but because of the disservice they did to the kids that they failed to educate. That is a university's mission, and the current state of college sports completely ignores it.

I have been on the side that players should not get paid from the beginning, because I believe a scholarship is invaluable, but how do I continue to believe in that argument when schools cease to make any effort to educate these kids. The entire state of the NCAA is really disheartening.

But, that said, I think the argument about kids with 3.9 GPA not being able to afford to go to college is BS. Everyone that is qualified and motivated can go to college, they may have a bunch of debt at the end, but they also have an education that will pay off in the long run.

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This is really easy to do if you are smart about it. If you know you are going to have to take out loans to pay for college, you may not be able to go to your first choice school. The main reason I went to ODU was because I knew I would have loans and ODU was local. That was room and board that I would have had to pay at other schools but I could commute at ODU. That's not even factoring in out of state tuition for some people. You also need to major in something worthwhile, where there are decent job prospects for your degree. It also helps to work through college and pay on your loans before the interest starts.

(04-23-2017 05:10 PM)Old Dominion Wrote:  Heard an interesting interview Sat morning on 94.1 with a high school bball coach. He says the transfer explosion at the college level partly has it's roots in the increase of private schools all over the country. This has led to large scale movement of kids out of public schools and into privates that recruit kids. Re-classifying (I'd never heard of this) has become common place and kids now go off to college having already experienced transferring in high school.

The kids who transfer too much in high school create too many problems for themselves and the NCAA. Two VCU players who were declared "partial-qualifiers" were put in that status for reasons other than grades. The NCAA had problems in documenting their High School progress. The record keeping of some of these private schools is not the best in the world. I was told by a coach that for one player they had to get the school to actually send copies of the books used for some classes to the NCAA so that they could prove the school actually offered the class. There are too many private school who are nothing but sports schools, and the NCAA appears to be cracking down on them (by going after the players eligibility).

(04-24-2017 11:02 AM)fmrick Wrote:  

(04-23-2017 05:10 PM)Old Dominion Wrote:  Heard an interesting interview Sat morning on 94.1 with a high school bball coach. He says the transfer explosion at the college level partly has it's roots in the increase of private schools all over the country. This has led to large scale movement of kids out of public schools and into privates that recruit kids. Re-classifying (I'd never heard of this) has become common place and kids now go off to college having already experienced transferring in high school.

The kids who transfer too much in high school create too many problems for themselves and the NCAA. Two VCU players who were declared "partial-qualifiers" were put in that status for reasons other than grades. The NCAA had problems in documenting their High School progress. The record keeping of some of these private schools is not the best in the world. I was told by a coach that for one player they had to get the school to actually send copies of the books used for some classes to the NCAA so that they could prove the school actually offered the class. There are too many private school who are nothing but sports schools, and the NCAA appears to be cracking down on them (by going after the players eligibility).

Here's a good article on these pop-up schools;
https://www.si.com/college-basketball/20...owerhouses

(04-24-2017 11:02 AM)fmrick Wrote:  

(04-23-2017 05:10 PM)Old Dominion Wrote:  Heard an interesting interview Sat morning on 94.1 with a high school bball coach. He says the transfer explosion at the college level partly has it's roots in the increase of private schools all over the country. This has led to large scale movement of kids out of public schools and into privates that recruit kids. Re-classifying (I'd never heard of this) has become common place and kids now go off to college having already experienced transferring in high school.

The kids who transfer too much in high school create too many problems for themselves and the NCAA. Two VCU players who were declared "partial-qualifiers" were put in that status for reasons other than grades. The NCAA had problems in documenting their High School progress. The record keeping of some of these private schools is not the best in the world. I was told by a coach that for one player they had to get the school to actually send copies of the books used for some classes to the NCAA so that they could prove the school actually offered the class. There are too many private school who are nothing but sports schools, and the NCAA appears to be cracking down on them (by going after the players eligibility).

If the NCAA would just scrutinize UNC as thoroughly.