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RE: Miami Beach Bowl headed to Frisco, TX
(04-21-2017 08:19 PM)johnintx Wrote:  That would make four bowls in the DFW Metroplex, plus the FCS championship game:
Cotton - Arlington
Armed Forces - Fort Worth
Heart of Dallas - Dallas
Bowl Formerly Known as Miami Beach - Frisco

DFW isn't a bad location-I spent 14 years there. Centrally located (especially for these schools), easily accessible airport, great recruiting. The weather in December can be iffy, as it might be 60 degrees on game day, or there may be an ice storm. You don't go there for the weather.

Frisco turned from a small town to a suburb overnight, as it tends to happen in North Texas. It grew from a population of 6,000 in 1990 to 33,000 in 2000 to 160,000 today. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Frisco,_Texas There are plenty of hotels and restaurants. The Rangers' AA farm club plays in a great ballpark next to the Dallas Stars practice facility. In addition, the Cowboys just opened their new practice facility there, The Star, complete with indoor stadium used by high schools. Frisco is not on the list of Top 10 vacation destinations, but it's fine for a lower-level bowl.

The FCS championship has done well there, especially when NDSU is in it with its horde of traveling fans. Toyota Stadium is fine for what this is. If ESPN wants to put on this game, and it's not going to be in Miami, why not Frisco? There are worse places.

Sure, centrally located. So instead of a 3hr plane ride, it's a 2hr plane ride. For me, I'd rather spend the extra time on the plane to go to an actual destination.

Dallas is not a destination, regardless what time of year it is. It's just a place where a bunch of people live, and businesses are located. There's nothing particularly interesting there. And the weather is nothing special in December.

Easily accessible airport?? Huh? Frisco is a pain in the rump to get to from DFW. Way out in the middle of nowhere ... because Dallas is spread out like butter on a slice of bread.
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(04-22-2017 09:43 AM)MplsBison Wrote:  
(04-21-2017 08:19 PM)johnintx Wrote:  That would make four bowls in the DFW Metroplex, plus the FCS championship game:
Cotton - Arlington
Armed Forces - Fort Worth
Heart of Dallas - Dallas
Bowl Formerly Known as Miami Beach - Frisco

DFW isn't a bad location-I spent 14 years there. Centrally located (especially for these schools), easily accessible airport, great recruiting. The weather in December can be iffy, as it might be 60 degrees on game day, or there may be an ice storm. You don't go there for the weather.

Frisco turned from a small town to a suburb overnight, as it tends to happen in North Texas. It grew from a population of 6,000 in 1990 to 33,000 in 2000 to 160,000 today. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Frisco,_Texas There are plenty of hotels and restaurants. The Rangers' AA farm club plays in a great ballpark next to the Dallas Stars practice facility. In addition, the Cowboys just opened their new practice facility there, The Star, complete with indoor stadium used by high schools. Frisco is not on the list of Top 10 vacation destinations, but it's fine for a lower-level bowl.

The FCS championship has done well there, especially when NDSU is in it with its horde of traveling fans. Toyota Stadium is fine for what this is. If ESPN wants to put on this game, and it's not going to be in Miami, why not Frisco? There are worse places.

Sure, centrally located. So instead of a 3hr plane ride, it's a 2hr plane ride. For me, I'd rather spend the extra time on the plane to go to an actual destination.

Dallas is not a destination, regardless what time of year it is. It's just a place where a bunch of people live, and businesses are located. There's nothing particularly interesting there. And the weather is nothing special in December.

Easily accessible airport?? Huh? Frisco is a pain in the rump to get to from DFW. Way out in the middle of nowhere ... because Dallas is spread out like butter on a slice of bread.

I've lurked on this board for some time, but recently started posting.

MplsBison, I enjoy reading your opinions. I respect your opinion.

You're right on Dallas as a destination. It's nothing special compared to say, Miami. I never claimed it to be anything different. It just happens to be in the American conference footprint, within reasonable driving distance of 5 schools. If you're going to have a lower-level bowl game with 10-15,000 in attendance and 3 1/2 hours air time, a soccer stadium in Frisco serves the purpose. Nothing more, nothing less. For bowls like this, that mainly serve as 3 1/2 hours of filler on ESPN, I like the idea of the Bahamas Bowl, but that's a different topic.

I meant DFW as being centrally located compared to the rest of the country. It's a major airline hub in the middle of the country with direct flights from most cities. Now that the tollways have been extended, Frisco is roughly the same distance from DFW as downtown Dallas or downtown Fort Worth. I didn't realize that until I mapped it, as it was via two-lane road until fairly recently. It's still a lot of sprawl. That's how we roll in Texas, for better or worse.
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(04-22-2017 09:43 AM)MplsBison Wrote:  Sure, centrally located. So instead of a 3hr plane ride, it's a 2hr plane ride. For me, I'd rather spend the extra time on the plane to go to an actual destination.

Dallas is not a destination, regardless what time of year it is. It's just a place where a bunch of people live, and businesses are located. There's nothing particularly interesting there. And the weather is nothing special in December.

Easily accessible airport?? Huh? Frisco is a pain in the rump to get to from DFW. Way out in the middle of nowhere ... because Dallas is spread out like butter on a slice of bread.

Actually, Dallas has a number of points of interest, it's just that it's terribly spread out, including other cities and suburbs in the area. You can't just walk or bike to them like in Washington or New York.

This is the general issue with places in the Sun Belt except for New Orleans, San Antonio and Las Vegas.
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To be quite honest, rather have the Frisco bowl than Detroit. Would love to see in 2020, Military move to Charleston and Detroit move to FedEx field for ACC vs B10. See the Washington FEDEX moved to ACC mid-tier and have Military (Charleston) vs AAC, Shreveport vs MWC and BOCA verse AAC, CUSA or Sun Belt as the lower tier bowl lineup.
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(04-21-2017 08:19 PM)johnintx Wrote:  
(04-21-2017 02:13 PM)sctvman Wrote:  The Miami Beach Bowl is going away from Marlins Park, per @McMurphyESPN. It is likely headed to Frisco, TX.

https://twitter.com/mcmurphyespn/status/...9848376320

That would make four bowls in the DFW Metroplex, plus the FCS championship game:
Cotton - Arlington
Armed Forces - Fort Worth
Heart of Dallas - Dallas
Bowl Formerly Known as Miami Beach - Frisco

DFW isn't a bad location-I spent 14 years there. Centrally located (especially for these schools), easily accessible airport, great recruiting. The weather in December can be iffy, as it might be 60 degrees on game day, or there may be an ice storm. You don't go there for the weather.

Frisco turned from a small town to a suburb overnight, as it tends to happen in North Texas. It grew from a population of 6,000 in 1990 to 33,000 in 2000 to 160,000 today. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Frisco,_Texas There are plenty of hotels and restaurants. The Rangers' AA farm club plays in a great ballpark next to the Dallas Stars practice facility. In addition, the Cowboys just opened their new practice facility there, The Star, complete with indoor stadium used by high schools. Frisco is not on the list of Top 10 vacation destinations, but it's fine for a lower-level bowl.

The FCS championship has done well there, especially when NDSU is in it with its horde of traveling fans. Toyota Stadium is fine for what this is. If ESPN wants to put on this game, and it's not going to be in Miami, why not Frisco? There are worse places.

Actually the average high for Dallas in December is about 60. (Actually 58). So it's just as likely to be 80 as it is to have an ice storm. There are only one or 2 freezing precipitation events per year so the chances of it happening on bowl day are very small...maybe a 1-2 percent chance or less. I have lived in North Texas before and have spent 20 years studying Texas weather patterns and most bowl games you'll be looking at a range of 48 or 50 on the low side to the 70s on a mild day. Being in the 30s in the middle of the day would be rare. Not unheard of but rare.
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(04-22-2017 06:17 PM)BullsFanInTX Wrote:  
(04-21-2017 08:19 PM)johnintx Wrote:  
(04-21-2017 02:13 PM)sctvman Wrote:  The Miami Beach Bowl is going away from Marlins Park, per @McMurphyESPN. It is likely headed to Frisco, TX.

https://twitter.com/mcmurphyespn/status/...9848376320

That would make four bowls in the DFW Metroplex, plus the FCS championship game:
Cotton - Arlington
Armed Forces - Fort Worth
Heart of Dallas - Dallas
Bowl Formerly Known as Miami Beach - Frisco

DFW isn't a bad location-I spent 14 years there. Centrally located (especially for these schools), easily accessible airport, great recruiting. The weather in December can be iffy, as it might be 60 degrees on game day, or there may be an ice storm. You don't go there for the weather.

Frisco turned from a small town to a suburb overnight, as it tends to happen in North Texas. It grew from a population of 6,000 in 1990 to 33,000 in 2000 to 160,000 today. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Frisco,_Texas There are plenty of hotels and restaurants. The Rangers' AA farm club plays in a great ballpark next to the Dallas Stars practice facility. In addition, the Cowboys just opened their new practice facility there, The Star, complete with indoor stadium used by high schools. Frisco is not on the list of Top 10 vacation destinations, but it's fine for a lower-level bowl.

The FCS championship has done well there, especially when NDSU is in it with its horde of traveling fans. Toyota Stadium is fine for what this is. If ESPN wants to put on this game, and it's not going to be in Miami, why not Frisco? There are worse places.

Actually the average high for Dallas in December is about 60. (Actually 58). So it's just as likely to be 80 as it is to have an ice storm. There are only one or 2 freezing precipitation events per year so the chances of it happening on bowl day are very small...maybe a 1-2 percent chance or less. I have lived in North Texas before and have spent 20 years studying Texas weather patterns and most bowl games you'll be looking at a range of 48 or 50 on the low side to the 70s on a mild day. Being in the 30s in the middle of the day would be rare. Not unheard of but rare.

The wind is the worst part of Texas winters. Absolutely terrible. Especially West Texas where trees are more rare. Some of the ugliest parts of the United States IMO.
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RE: Miami Beach Bowl headed to Frisco, TX
(04-22-2017 06:34 PM)billybobby777 Wrote:  
(04-22-2017 06:17 PM)BullsFanInTX Wrote:  
(04-21-2017 08:19 PM)johnintx Wrote:  
(04-21-2017 02:13 PM)sctvman Wrote:  The Miami Beach Bowl is going away from Marlins Park, per @McMurphyESPN. It is likely headed to Frisco, TX.

https://twitter.com/mcmurphyespn/status/...9848376320

That would make four bowls in the DFW Metroplex, plus the FCS championship game:
Cotton - Arlington
Armed Forces - Fort Worth
Heart of Dallas - Dallas
Bowl Formerly Known as Miami Beach - Frisco

DFW isn't a bad location-I spent 14 years there. Centrally located (especially for these schools), easily accessible airport, great recruiting. The weather in December can be iffy, as it might be 60 degrees on game day, or there may be an ice storm. You don't go there for the weather.

Frisco turned from a small town to a suburb overnight, as it tends to happen in North Texas. It grew from a population of 6,000 in 1990 to 33,000 in 2000 to 160,000 today. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Frisco,_Texas There are plenty of hotels and restaurants. The Rangers' AA farm club plays in a great ballpark next to the Dallas Stars practice facility. In addition, the Cowboys just opened their new practice facility there, The Star, complete with indoor stadium used by high schools. Frisco is not on the list of Top 10 vacation destinations, but it's fine for a lower-level bowl.

The FCS championship has done well there, especially when NDSU is in it with its horde of traveling fans. Toyota Stadium is fine for what this is. If ESPN wants to put on this game, and it's not going to be in Miami, why not Frisco? There are worse places.

Actually the average high for Dallas in December is about 60. (Actually 58). So it's just as likely to be 80 as it is to have an ice storm. There are only one or 2 freezing precipitation events per year so the chances of it happening on bowl day are very small...maybe a 1-2 percent chance or less. I have lived in North Texas before and have spent 20 years studying Texas weather patterns and most bowl games you'll be looking at a range of 48 or 50 on the low side to the 70s on a mild day. Being in the 30s in the middle of the day would be rare. Not unheard of but rare.

The wind is the worst part of Texas winters. Absolutely terrible. Especially West Texas where trees are more rare. Some of the ugliest parts of the United States IMO.
No worries, the bowl game is not in Midland, Amarillo, or Lubbock. Each 300 miles from the DFW area.
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(04-22-2017 06:17 PM)BullsFanInTX Wrote:  Actually the average high for Dallas in December is about 60. (Actually 58). So it's just as likely to be 80 as it is to have an ice storm. There are only one or 2 freezing precipitation events per year so the chances of it happening on bowl day are very small...maybe a 1-2 percent chance or less. I have lived in North Texas before and have spent 20 years studying Texas weather patterns and most bowl games you'll be looking at a range of 48 or 50 on the low side to the 70s on a mild day. Being in the 30s in the middle of the day would be rare. Not unheard of but rare.

Yep, the weather is a crapshoot, especially in north Texas. Chance of ice or snow, chance of beautiful weather. I can remember one Cotton Bowl played in a sleet storm, and another one played on an icy field. On the other hand, there were plenty where weather wasn't an issue at all. You just go on with the game. Lots of bowls are played in less than ideal conditions.
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(04-22-2017 07:54 PM)Big Frog II Wrote:  
(04-22-2017 06:34 PM)billybobby777 Wrote:  
(04-22-2017 06:17 PM)BullsFanInTX Wrote:  
(04-21-2017 08:19 PM)johnintx Wrote:  
(04-21-2017 02:13 PM)sctvman Wrote:  The Miami Beach Bowl is going away from Marlins Park, per @McMurphyESPN. It is likely headed to Frisco, TX.

https://twitter.com/mcmurphyespn/status/...9848376320

That would make four bowls in the DFW Metroplex, plus the FCS championship game:
Cotton - Arlington
Armed Forces - Fort Worth
Heart of Dallas - Dallas
Bowl Formerly Known as Miami Beach - Frisco

DFW isn't a bad location-I spent 14 years there. Centrally located (especially for these schools), easily accessible airport, great recruiting. The weather in December can be iffy, as it might be 60 degrees on game day, or there may be an ice storm. You don't go there for the weather.

Frisco turned from a small town to a suburb overnight, as it tends to happen in North Texas. It grew from a population of 6,000 in 1990 to 33,000 in 2000 to 160,000 today. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Frisco,_Texas There are plenty of hotels and restaurants. The Rangers' AA farm club plays in a great ballpark next to the Dallas Stars practice facility. In addition, the Cowboys just opened their new practice facility there, The Star, complete with indoor stadium used by high schools. Frisco is not on the list of Top 10 vacation destinations, but it's fine for a lower-level bowl.

The FCS championship has done well there, especially when NDSU is in it with its horde of traveling fans. Toyota Stadium is fine for what this is. If ESPN wants to put on this game, and it's not going to be in Miami, why not Frisco? There are worse places.

Actually the average high for Dallas in December is about 60. (Actually 58). So it's just as likely to be 80 as it is to have an ice storm. There are only one or 2 freezing precipitation events per year so the chances of it happening on bowl day are very small...maybe a 1-2 percent chance or less. I have lived in North Texas before and have spent 20 years studying Texas weather patterns and most bowl games you'll be looking at a range of 48 or 50 on the low side to the 70s on a mild day. Being in the 30s in the middle of the day would be rare. Not unheard of but rare.

The wind is the worst part of Texas winters. Absolutely terrible. Especially West Texas where trees are more rare. Some of the ugliest parts of the United States IMO.
No worries, the bowl game is not in Midland, Amarillo, or Lubbock. Each 300 miles from the DFW area.

Yeah I know. Actually, Ft Worth is my fav part of DFW area...More of a western feel.
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(04-22-2017 06:34 PM)billybobby777 Wrote:  
(04-22-2017 06:17 PM)BullsFanInTX Wrote:  
(04-21-2017 08:19 PM)johnintx Wrote:  
(04-21-2017 02:13 PM)sctvman Wrote:  The Miami Beach Bowl is going away from Marlins Park, per @McMurphyESPN. It is likely headed to Frisco, TX.

https://twitter.com/mcmurphyespn/status/...9848376320

That would make four bowls in the DFW Metroplex, plus the FCS championship game:
Cotton - Arlington
Armed Forces - Fort Worth
Heart of Dallas - Dallas
Bowl Formerly Known as Miami Beach - Frisco

DFW isn't a bad location-I spent 14 years there. Centrally located (especially for these schools), easily accessible airport, great recruiting. The weather in December can be iffy, as it might be 60 degrees on game day, or there may be an ice storm. You don't go there for the weather.

Frisco turned from a small town to a suburb overnight, as it tends to happen in North Texas. It grew from a population of 6,000 in 1990 to 33,000 in 2000 to 160,000 today. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Frisco,_Texas There are plenty of hotels and restaurants. The Rangers' AA farm club plays in a great ballpark next to the Dallas Stars practice facility. In addition, the Cowboys just opened their new practice facility there, The Star, complete with indoor stadium used by high schools. Frisco is not on the list of Top 10 vacation destinations, but it's fine for a lower-level bowl.

The FCS championship has done well there, especially when NDSU is in it with its horde of traveling fans. Toyota Stadium is fine for what this is. If ESPN wants to put on this game, and it's not going to be in Miami, why not Frisco? There are worse places.

Actually the average high for Dallas in December is about 60. (Actually 58). So it's just as likely to be 80 as it is to have an ice storm. There are only one or 2 freezing precipitation events per year so the chances of it happening on bowl day are very small...maybe a 1-2 percent chance or less. I have lived in North Texas before and have spent 20 years studying Texas weather patterns and most bowl games you'll be looking at a range of 48 or 50 on the low side to the 70s on a mild day. Being in the 30s in the middle of the day would be rare. Not unheard of but rare.

The wind is the worst part of Texas winters. Absolutely terrible. Especially West Texas where trees are more rare. Some of the ugliest parts of the United States IMO.

Agree the wind sucks in North Texas but is nowhere near as bad as Lubbock or Amarillo. They don't have any trees. Dallas does. Yeah Amarillo is ugly but google Palo Duro canyon 15 miles from Amarillo is one of the most beautiful canyons in the country.
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(04-22-2017 08:54 PM)BullsFanInTX Wrote:  
(04-22-2017 06:34 PM)billybobby777 Wrote:  
(04-22-2017 06:17 PM)BullsFanInTX Wrote:  
(04-21-2017 08:19 PM)johnintx Wrote:  
(04-21-2017 02:13 PM)sctvman Wrote:  The Miami Beach Bowl is going away from Marlins Park, per @McMurphyESPN. It is likely headed to Frisco, TX.

https://twitter.com/mcmurphyespn/status/...9848376320

That would make four bowls in the DFW Metroplex, plus the FCS championship game:
Cotton - Arlington
Armed Forces - Fort Worth
Heart of Dallas - Dallas
Bowl Formerly Known as Miami Beach - Frisco

DFW isn't a bad location-I spent 14 years there. Centrally located (especially for these schools), easily accessible airport, great recruiting. The weather in December can be iffy, as it might be 60 degrees on game day, or there may be an ice storm. You don't go there for the weather.

Frisco turned from a small town to a suburb overnight, as it tends to happen in North Texas. It grew from a population of 6,000 in 1990 to 33,000 in 2000 to 160,000 today. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Frisco,_Texas There are plenty of hotels and restaurants. The Rangers' AA farm club plays in a great ballpark next to the Dallas Stars practice facility. In addition, the Cowboys just opened their new practice facility there, The Star, complete with indoor stadium used by high schools. Frisco is not on the list of Top 10 vacation destinations, but it's fine for a lower-level bowl.

The FCS championship has done well there, especially when NDSU is in it with its horde of traveling fans. Toyota Stadium is fine for what this is. If ESPN wants to put on this game, and it's not going to be in Miami, why not Frisco? There are worse places.

Actually the average high for Dallas in December is about 60. (Actually 58). So it's just as likely to be 80 as it is to have an ice storm. There are only one or 2 freezing precipitation events per year so the chances of it happening on bowl day are very small...maybe a 1-2 percent chance or less. I have lived in North Texas before and have spent 20 years studying Texas weather patterns and most bowl games you'll be looking at a range of 48 or 50 on the low side to the 70s on a mild day. Being in the 30s in the middle of the day would be rare. Not unheard of but rare.

The wind is the worst part of Texas winters. Absolutely terrible. Especially West Texas where trees are more rare. Some of the ugliest parts of the United States IMO.

Agree the wind sucks in North Texas but is nowhere near as bad as Lubbock or Amarillo. They don't have any trees. Dallas does. Yeah Amarillo is ugly but google Palo Duro canyon 15 miles from Amarillo is one of the most beautiful canyons in the country.

Yeah, I've always told people that Amarillo is the ugliest place I've been in the US with the worst weather. There are places that are hot as hell like Phoenix and Vegas, but pretty with Palm Trees and Mountains. There are places humid as hell and flat in Kansas, but with some nice trees and more green. Amarillo has nothing appealing. The accents suddenly become prounounced there too. For example drive a little further West to the New Mexico border and the yalls are basically gone. Plus they serve green chili as opposed to Tex Mex. Lubbock is 1 hour 45 minutes south of Amarillo, it would look the same except its a college town so there's more trees to make the campus look greener. Close seconds to ugliest is Bushland, Texas.

P.S. Every time I see DavidSt post about West Texas A&M becoming FBS I laugh and wonder how he'd feel about it if he actually saw the tiny town of Canyon haha...
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(04-22-2017 10:58 AM)johnintx Wrote:  You're right on Dallas as a destination. It's nothing special compared to say, Miami. I never claimed it to be anything different. It just happens to be in the American conference footprint, within reasonable driving distance of 5 schools. If you're going to have a lower-level bowl game with 10-15,000 in attendance and 3 1/2 hours air time, a soccer stadium in Frisco serves the purpose. Nothing more, nothing less. For bowls like this, that mainly serve as 3 1/2 hours of filler on ESPN, I like the idea of the Bahamas Bowl, but that's a different topic.

I meant DFW as being centrally located compared to the rest of the country. It's a major airline hub in the middle of the country with direct flights from most cities. Now that the tollways have been extended, Frisco is roughly the same distance from DFW as downtown Dallas or downtown Fort Worth. I didn't realize that until I mapped it, as it was via two-lane road until fairly recently. It's still a lot of sprawl. That's how we roll in Texas, for better or worse.

These are fine points, and all correct.

My main beef could be rephrased more simply then, with respect to this response as: "yeah, that would be great if Dallas just had the Cotton Bowl in AT&T and nothing else ... but aren't there already like 50 bowl games in Dallas????"


(04-22-2017 12:38 PM)_C2_ Wrote:  Actually, Dallas has a number of points of interest, it's just that it's terribly spread out, including other cities and suburbs in the area. You can't just walk or bike to them like in Washington or New York.

This is the general issue with places in the Sun Belt except for New Orleans, San Antonio and Las Vegas.

That's a good, and interesting observation. Atlanta too. I think of Atlanta and Dallas as the same thing, from a northerner's perspective: there's nothing particularly amazing to see there that justifies it as "vacation worthy", and the weather is surprisingly cold in the winter for being in "the south".

So in defense of Dallas tourism ... what attractions in your opinion justify the trip, and when is the best time to visit??
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There is plenty to do in the metroplex it just is spread all over hell.

The real attraction is ESPN Events can run this game with very little added overhead because they can use people staffing the existing games in the area.
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I just looked up the cowboys indoor practice facility, Ford Field at the Star, and if it held just a few thousand more, would be much better for this bowl. Holds 12,000 and is top notch. Frisco ISD uses it for HS football. It is absolutely fantastic. If there was some way of getting a few more seats in there, I would be totally fine with holding bowl there. Google it.
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(04-22-2017 10:58 AM)johnintx Wrote:  You're right on Dallas as a destination. It's nothing special compared to say, Miami. I never claimed it to be anything different. It just happens to be in the American conference footprint, within reasonable driving distance of 5 schools. If you're going to have a lower-level bowl game with 10-15,000 in attendance and 3 1/2 hours air time, a soccer stadium in Frisco serves the purpose. Nothing more, nothing less. For bowls like this, that mainly serve as 3 1/2 hours of filler on ESPN, I like the idea of the Bahamas Bowl, but that's a different topic.

I meant DFW as being centrally located compared to the rest of the country. It's a major airline hub in the middle of the country with direct flights from most cities. Now that the tollways have been extended, Frisco is roughly the same distance from DFW as downtown Dallas or downtown Fort Worth. I didn't realize that until I mapped it, as it was via two-lane road until fairly recently. It's still a lot of sprawl. That's how we roll in Texas, for better or worse.

These are fine points, and all correct.

My main beef could be rephrased more simply then, with respect to this response as: "yeah, that would be great if Dallas just had the Cotton Bowl in AT&T and nothing else ... but aren't there already like 50 bowl games in Dallas????"


(04-22-2017 12:38 PM)_C2_ Wrote:  Actually, Dallas has a number of points of interest, it's just that it's terribly spread out, including other cities and suburbs in the area. You can't just walk or bike to them like in Washington or New York.

This is the general issue with places in the Sun Belt except for New Orleans, San Antonio and Las Vegas.

That's a good, and interesting observation. Atlanta too. I think of Atlanta and Dallas as the same thing, from a northerner's perspective: there's nothing particularly amazing to see there that justifies it as "vacation worthy", and the weather is surprisingly cold in the winter for being in "the south".

So in defense of Dallas tourism ... what attractions in your opinion justify the trip, and when is the best time to visit??

The school book depository/Dealey Plaza/the grassy knoll, Sundance Square in FW, Six Flags in Arlington, etc... and a whole bunch more. As you can tell by those three alone, it embodies everything I said about it all being so spread out.
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(04-23-2017 12:34 PM)arkstfan Wrote:  There is plenty to do in the metroplex it just is spread all over hell.

The real attraction is ESPN Events can run this game with very little added overhead because they can use people staffing the existing games in the area.

Also, the long term plan is for the AAC HQ to be moved to Dallas.
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(04-23-2017 01:32 PM)BullsFanInTX Wrote:  I just looked up the cowboys indoor practice facility, Ford Field at the Star, and if it held just a few thousand more, would be much better for this bowl. Holds 12,000 and is top notch. Frisco ISD uses it for HS football. It is absolutely fantastic. If there was some way of getting a few more seats in there, I would be totally fine with holding bowl there. Google it.

We took the tour of The Star a couple of months ago, and I can vouch for it. The Ford Center (indoor stadium) is a great facility. It's a little small for a bowl game, but it would be great for high schools and small colleges. There is also an Omni hotel under construction next door as part of the complex.
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(04-23-2017 03:48 PM)johnintx Wrote:  
(04-23-2017 01:32 PM)BullsFanInTX Wrote:  I just looked up the cowboys indoor practice facility, Ford Field at the Star, and if it held just a few thousand more, would be much better for this bowl. Holds 12,000 and is top notch. Frisco ISD uses it for HS football. It is absolutely fantastic. If there was some way of getting a few more seats in there, I would be totally fine with holding bowl there. Google it.

We took the tour of The Star a couple of months ago, and I can vouch for it. The Ford Center (indoor stadium) is a great facility. It's a little small for a bowl game, but it would be great for high schools and small colleges. There is also an Omni hotel under construction next door as part of the complex.

I wonder why they didn't consider Houston. If they only needed 22K stadium, they could have used the EXACT same set up that Houston used for the Super Bowl. It could have been downtown at BBVA compass stadium with all events in the Convention center, a series of concerts in the downtown Discovery Green Park, with each team getting it's own new 1000 room hotel to stay in on either side of the park. The hotels and convention center all border the park. The stadium is walking distance from there. Once the bowl grew, they could move the game to TDECU that has 40K capacity and is accessible to the downtown Discovery Green complex via light rail. Lots of restaurants and clubs are also on or near Discovery Green Park as well. The theatre district is within walking distance and the Museum District can be reached via light rail. Keeping everyone in that small entertainment district would create a pretty fun atmosphere for the teams and fans. It worked great for the Super Bowl.
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(04-23-2017 02:06 PM)_C2_ Wrote:  
(04-23-2017 09:20 AM)MplsBison Wrote:  
(04-22-2017 10:58 AM)johnintx Wrote:  You're right on Dallas as a destination. It's nothing special compared to say, Miami. I never claimed it to be anything different. It just happens to be in the American conference footprint, within reasonable driving distance of 5 schools. If you're going to have a lower-level bowl game with 10-15,000 in attendance and 3 1/2 hours air time, a soccer stadium in Frisco serves the purpose. Nothing more, nothing less. For bowls like this, that mainly serve as 3 1/2 hours of filler on ESPN, I like the idea of the Bahamas Bowl, but that's a different topic.

I meant DFW as being centrally located compared to the rest of the country. It's a major airline hub in the middle of the country with direct flights from most cities. Now that the tollways have been extended, Frisco is roughly the same distance from DFW as downtown Dallas or downtown Fort Worth. I didn't realize that until I mapped it, as it was via two-lane road until fairly recently. It's still a lot of sprawl. That's how we roll in Texas, for better or worse.

These are fine points, and all correct.

My main beef could be rephrased more simply then, with respect to this response as: "yeah, that would be great if Dallas just had the Cotton Bowl in AT&T and nothing else ... but aren't there already like 50 bowl games in Dallas????"


(04-22-2017 12:38 PM)_C2_ Wrote:  Actually, Dallas has a number of points of interest, it's just that it's terribly spread out, including other cities and suburbs in the area. You can't just walk or bike to them like in Washington or New York.

This is the general issue with places in the Sun Belt except for New Orleans, San Antonio and Las Vegas.

That's a good, and interesting observation. Atlanta too. I think of Atlanta and Dallas as the same thing, from a northerner's perspective: there's nothing particularly amazing to see there that justifies it as "vacation worthy", and the weather is surprisingly cold in the winter for being in "the south".

So in defense of Dallas tourism ... what attractions in your opinion justify the trip, and when is the best time to visit??

The school book depository/Dealey Plaza/the grassy knoll, Sundance Square in FW, Six Flags in Arlington, etc... and a whole bunch more. As you can tell by those three alone, it embodies everything I said about it all being so spread out.

You're right about Dallas and Atlanta. With no disrespect intended to either city, I've often called Atlanta "Dallas with trees and hills". They're both Southern cities with large airline hubs that have attracted lots of jobs, and populated by people from all over the country and all over the world. Both are sprawling (though most of the attractions in Atlanta are centralized). And, both cities are far enough north to have winter weather, though not on the level of a city like Chicago. Both cities have had Super Bowl weeks impacted by ice storms, though the games themselves were indoors.

These are cities that serve as regional destinations. Great for a weekend trip, but not places you would want to fly to from halfway across the country for a week's vacation.
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(04-23-2017 03:48 PM)johnintx Wrote:  
(04-23-2017 01:32 PM)BullsFanInTX Wrote:  I just looked up the cowboys indoor practice facility, Ford Field at the Star, and if it held just a few thousand more, would be much better for this bowl. Holds 12,000 and is top notch. Frisco ISD uses it for HS football. It is absolutely fantastic. If there was some way of getting a few more seats in there, I would be totally fine with holding bowl there. Google it.

We took the tour of The Star a couple of months ago, and I can vouch for it. The Ford Center (indoor stadium) is a great facility. It's a little small for a bowl game, but it would be great for high schools and small colleges. There is also an Omni hotel under construction next door as part of the complex.

I wonder why they didn't consider Houston. If they only needed 22K stadium, they could have used the EXACT same set up that Houston used for the Super Bowl. It could have been downtown at BBVA compass stadium with all events in the Convention center, a series of concerts in Discovery Green Park, and each team would each have it own new 1000 room hotel to stay in on either side of the park. The hotels and convention center all border the park. The stadium is walking distance from there. Once the bowl grew, they could move the game to TDECU that has 40K capacity and is accessible to downtown the Discovery Green complex via light rail. Lots of restaurants and clubs are there as well. The theatre district is walking distance and the museum distance can be reached via light rail. Keeping everyone in that small entertainment district would create a pretty fun atmosphere for the teams and fans.

And there is already staff in place for the Texas Bowl.
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