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Murray St to MVC?
Figures this deserves it's own thread.....
Looks interesting:
http://www.murraystate.edu/Libraries/Boa...t42117.pdf
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RE: Murray St to MVC?
Okay, if this goes down, OVC fills w/? UNA? Lipscomb? Kennesaw St.?
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UNA and KSU are under contract for their transition. They are off the table for the next 3-5 years.

Lipscomb would simply be for a 12th in basketball. Iit's more likely the OVC moves to a 20 game schedule. A big theme we are seeing in mid majors is wanting a 10th conference home game as a result of the difficulty in scheduling quality OOC opponents these days. This is about the only way to incrementally increase revenue.

AFAIK the OVC has no expansion plans. And it is far too late in the year to get a replacement for next year. We are talking 2018-19 at the earliest to add anyone, which means they might as well be deliberate. And I think they will be, as losing Murray State will rattle them. They have to get everybody on board for the next direction. That is why I think the repsonse will be to go to 20 game schedule, and possibly move the conference tournament back on campus.
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RE: Murray St to MVC?
I don't know if they would go to 20 though. Have to remember right now, they are only at 16.

I think they expand to 12 because 11 means you have byes. In a smaller league like that- byes aren't good.
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(04-20-2017 02:40 PM)Stugray2 Wrote:  UNA and KSU are under contract for their transition. They are off the table for the next 3-5 years.

Lipscomb would simply be for a 12th in basketball. Iit's more likely the OVC moves to a 20 game schedule. A big theme we are seeing in mid majors is wanting a 10th conference home game as a result of the difficulty in scheduling quality OOC opponents these days. This is about the only way to incrementally increase revenue.

AFAIK the OVC has no expansion plans. And it is far too late in the year to get a replacement for next year. We are talking 2018-19 at the earliest to add anyone, which means they might as well be deliberate. And I think they will be, as losing Murray State will rattle them. They have to get everybody on board for the next direction. That is why I think the repsonse will be to go to 20 game schedule, and possibly move the conference tournament back on campus.
If 11 is the new 1 bid conf. number then Big Sky will stay at 11 and the Big West should add UCSD and CSUB to make both the CSUs and UCs happy. But I think stever is right, they don't seem like a conf. worried about filling a sched. they had div. so that they only had to play 16. I Wonder if the 12th team would be a fb school or not. Would WIU leave the MVFC for OVC?
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Lipscomb sucks and might drive other schools to leave. They don't have any other realistic choices.

I think they just have to live with it for awhile. They are under threat from other conferences for more poaching. EKU and SEIU have looked around in the recent past, this might kick start those. A couple others schools are potential targets as well (EIU, JSU). Also any further defections or weakening of the league by a weak addition could prompt Belmont to reconsider the MVC or other options (Horizon, SoCon).

The OVC has only 16 games because they play divisions. At 11 they lose the divisions. Strengthening interleague play might be a good way to reduce the chances of further defections.
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(04-20-2017 02:57 PM)Stugray2 Wrote:  Lipscomb sucks and might drive other schools to leave. They don't have any other realistic choices.

I think they just have to live with it for awhile. They are under threat from other conferences for more poaching. EKU and SEIU have looked around in the recent past, this might kick start those. A couple others schools are potential targets as well (EIU, JSU). Also any further defections or weakening of the league by a weak addition could prompt Belmont to reconsider the MVC or other options (Horizon, SoCon).

The OVC has only 16 games because they play divisions. At 11 they lose the divisions. Strengthening interleague play might be a good way to reduce the chances of further defections.
Eyeball test tells me the Summit is a better conf. than the OVC now. Is that where SIUE is looking? EIU has football and really can't go to the Summit.
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(04-20-2017 02:57 PM)Stugray2 Wrote:  Lipscomb sucks and might drive other schools to leave. They don't have any other realistic choices.

I think they just have to live with it for awhile. They are under threat from other conferences for more poaching. EKU and SEIU have looked around in the recent past, this might kick start those. A couple others schools are potential targets as well (EIU, JSU). Also any further defections or weakening of the league by a weak addition could prompt Belmont to reconsider the MVC or other options (Horizon, SoCon).

The OVC has only 16 games because they play divisions. At 11 they lose the divisions. Strengthening interleague play might be a good way to reduce the chances of further defections.

understand the point about the 16, but the OVC has had 16 conference games since 2012(when they had 11 teams). I just don't think you can say automatically they go to 20 games. Teams might like having the 15 games OOC to get more buy games and also having home dates.
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RE: Murray St to MVC?
Well ... googling the property that the board of regents will be discussing (as listed on the agenda) ... and it looks like a house, maybe surrounded by campus ....


http://www.realtor.com/realestateandhome...8337-04101


Not sure this is really much more than a regularly scheduled board meeting for Murray State.
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RE: Murray St to MVC?
At the very least, if it's not the meeting to join the conference, it's the meeting where the BoR gives the president authority to enter negotiations with the MVC.
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(04-20-2017 03:04 PM)Pervis_Griffith Wrote:  Well ... googling the property that the board of regents will be discussing (as listed on the agenda) ... and it looks like a house, maybe surrounded by campus ....


http://www.realtor.com/realestateandhome...8337-04101


Not sure this is really much more than a regularly scheduled board meeting for Murray State.

That house does appear to be surrounded by a campus lot, a large dorm, and new construction.

The announcement does say "Special Board of Regents Meeting", with special being the key word. Also, wouldn't the media have more than one day notice for a standing BOR meeting?
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RE: Murray St to MVC?
The second page shows the fourth agenda item is simply "Intercollegiate athletics" with an asterisk indicating that board of regents action is required.

Plus this memo is being sent to the press to alert them.


Sure, it might not be, but I would not be surprised if MSU announces it is joining the MVC.
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Would be cool is Valdosta State finally got their act together and moved up. Would create an FCS school in true South Georgia, as well as North Georgia (Kennesaw) and FBS schools in East Georgia (Georgia Southern) along with GT, UGA, and GaState.
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RE: Murray St to MVC?
The real question is what will happen to MSU football.

As Stu pointed out in the other thread, it's probably impossible for OVC and MVFC schedules to be changed for the 2017 season. Perhaps then, MSU will either stay in the OVC as a full member for the whole 2017-18 season, or something will be negotiated for an early exit with MSU football staying in the OVC as an affiliate for the 2017 season.


But does MSU get a spot in the MVFC??

I content this should not be an automatic yes. Missouri St, Indiana St, and Youngstown St are already long enough hauls for the Dakota teams. Why do they want to go to Kentucky, now??


Another option would be the Pioneer Leauge, joining fellow/former OVC member Morehead St. It would reduce the football budget, as well, which always looks good to the CFO.
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(04-20-2017 03:43 PM)MplsBison Wrote:  The real question is what will happen to MSU football.

As Stu pointed out in the other thread, it's probably impossible for OVC and MVFC schedules to be changed for the 2017 season. Perhaps then, MSU will either stay in the OVC as a full member for the whole 2017-18 season, or something will be negotiated for an early exit with MSU football staying in the OVC as an affiliate for the 2017 season.


But does MSU get a spot in the MVFC??

I content this should not be an automatic yes. Missouri St, Indiana St, and Youngstown St are already long enough hauls for the Dakota teams. Why do they want to go to Kentucky, now??


Another option would be the Pioneer Leauge, joining fellow/former OVC member Morehead St. It would reduce the football budget, as well, which always looks good to the CFO.


I would think if the eastern members were willing to accept UND to help out the Summit League, the Dakotas would be real asswipes if they tried to reject Murray. For all we know, it was a two-fer admittance
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If Murray State is joining the MVC they are coming to the MVFC.
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(04-20-2017 03:48 PM)dbackjon Wrote:  I would think if the eastern members were willing to accept UND to help out the Summit League, the Dakotas would be real asswipes if they tried to reject Murray. For all we know, it was a two-fer admittance

(04-20-2017 03:48 PM)MissouriStateBears Wrote:  If Murray State is joining the MVC they are coming to the MVFC.

More than likely, you guys are correct.


Still ... wonder if MSU admin would look at the Pioneer League as a way to focus more on basketball and reduce the cost of football.

FCS football is a money pit. It doesn't work financially, for every team in the sub-division save a handful.
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RE: Murray St to MVC?
Another option is that Murray State could be an affiliate to the Big South Conference in football. But, I do not think they are fit for the MVC since they are way outside of the footprint.
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Another thing I wonder ... would MVFC split into "scheduling divisions" for the sake of reducing travel?

Dakota 4 + UNI + WIU
The rest

You play the five in your division every year, then rotate three and three in the other division over four years.


UNI would scream bloody murder, and kick and cry. Might have to put Missouri St in the Dakota division instead.
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Yeah, but what if Missouri State gets an offer to join the Sun Belt Conference again? Would they make the jump to FBS since Wichita State is gone and that the MVC as a whole is a very weak unstable conference? You do have many wandering eyes looking to get off the sinking ship that was known as the MVC.
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