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(04-18-2017 08:46 PM)CliftonAve Wrote:  If the network could figure out a way to get more distribution (on standard cable tiers, more markets and streaming), they could be a major player.

I also wonder why CBS doesn't push harder for CBSSN to be on standard tiers with ESPN2 and FS1. I think it just doesn't have much big-ratings content, as it won't make competitive bids for them.
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(04-19-2017 08:36 AM)MplsBison Wrote:  
(04-18-2017 08:46 PM)CliftonAve Wrote:  If the network could figure out a way to get more distribution (on standard cable tiers, more markets and streaming), they could be a major player.

I also wonder why CBS doesn't push harder for CBSSN to be on standard tiers with ESPN2 and FS1. I think it just doesn't have much big-ratings content, as it won't make competitive bids for them.

I don't get that either. Even NBC SN is on the basic tiers in quite a few packages.

By the way, here is an email response I got back from the Arizona Bowl rep regarding the streaming of the bowl.

CBS is considering live streaming the in their network. I will keep you posted.

Thanks for reaching out to us.

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RE: Arizona Bowl will be on CBS-SN, Dec. 30 this year
OK, after looking at the wikipedia pages for each, one possible explanation:

- NBC SN used to be a channel called Versus, which was owned by Comcast and had wide distribution on cable networks. When NBC and Comcast merged, the channel was rebranded as NBC SN.

- CBS SN actually started as an independent cable channel called College Sports TV, which was only carried on satellite to start. CBS eventually acquired them, but the focus on college sports & carrying smaller league games, as well as the the smaller distribution on cable networks, seems to have stayed intact from the former days.


Guess in both cases it's really more of apathy by the parent network, in just letting the respective channels keep doing what they were doing before, more or less.
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It's hard to buy in to the idea that CBS has any bold vision of trying seriously grow CBSSN when they haven't used the leverage of the NCAA Tournament to get broader distribution.

If they had said they were showing X number of games on CBSSN they probably could have met whatever household carriage numbers NCAA would demand.
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(04-19-2017 04:28 PM)arkstfan Wrote:  It's hard to buy in to the idea that CBS has any bold vision of trying seriously grow CBSSN when they haven't used the leverage of the NCAA Tournament to get broader distribution.

If they had said they were showing X number of games on CBSSN they probably could have met whatever household carriage numbers NCAA would demand.

This sounds backwards.

I think that if CBSSN had met the NCAA's minimum requirement for channel carriage, then the NCAA would've let tournament games be shown on CBSSN. But since it doesn't, they had to partner with the TNT/TBS/True channels, as those channels do meet the minimum carriage requirements.
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(04-19-2017 04:28 PM)arkstfan Wrote:  It's hard to buy in to the idea that CBS has any bold vision of trying seriously grow CBSSN when they haven't used the leverage of the NCAA Tournament to get broader distribution.

If they had said they were showing X number of games on CBSSN they probably could have met whatever household carriage numbers NCAA would demand.

Once CBS and Turner partnered on the tournament, though, Turner wouldn't give up any of its allocation of games to do that.

You're right though that in general there are CBS events they could have pushed to CBSSN or shared with CBSSN - the Masters is a good example - but chose not to. They also chose not to make the kind of deals NBC made to get NBCSN into more households, or to buy up the kind of inventory that Fox bought for FS1.

It's as if CBS is only interested in having a sports channel just to say they have one.
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(04-19-2017 03:30 PM)MplsBison Wrote:  OK, after looking at the wikipedia pages for each, one possible explanation:

- NBC SN used to be a channel called Versus, which was owned by Comcast and had wide distribution on cable networks. When NBC and Comcast merged, the channel was rebranded as NBC SN.

- CBS SN actually started as an independent cable channel called College Sports TV, which was only carried on satellite to start. CBS eventually acquired them, but the focus on college sports & carrying smaller league games, as well as the the smaller distribution on cable networks, seems to have stayed intact from the former days.


Guess in both cases it's really more of apathy by the parent network, in just letting the respective channels keep doing what they were doing before, more or less.

If you are a fan of a former CUSA, MWC school, you know all about College Sports TV...they sucked. CBS-SN is a great broadcast, it's just hard to find.
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(04-18-2017 07:15 PM)chargeradio Wrote:  I think CBS Sports Network still has a streaming package.

It is part of Youtube TV.
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(04-19-2017 05:16 PM)Wedge Wrote:  
(04-19-2017 04:28 PM)arkstfan Wrote:  It's hard to buy in to the idea that CBS has any bold vision of trying seriously grow CBSSN when they haven't used the leverage of the NCAA Tournament to get broader distribution.

If they had said they were showing X number of games on CBSSN they probably could have met whatever household carriage numbers NCAA would demand.

Once CBS and Turner partnered on the tournament, though, Turner wouldn't give up any of its allocation of games to do that.

You're right though that in general there are CBS events they could have pushed to CBSSN or shared with CBSSN - the Masters is a good example - but chose not to. They also chose not to make the kind of deals NBC made to get NBCSN into more households, or to buy up the kind of inventory that Fox bought for FS1.

It's as if CBS is only interested in having a sports channel just to say they have one.

CBSSN isn't utilized very well. What an opportunity to share your CBS Sports inventory.
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(04-19-2017 05:26 PM)billybobby777 Wrote:  
(04-19-2017 03:30 PM)MplsBison Wrote:  OK, after looking at the wikipedia pages for each, one possible explanation:

- NBC SN used to be a channel called Versus, which was owned by Comcast and had wide distribution on cable networks. When NBC and Comcast merged, the channel was rebranded as NBC SN.

- CBS SN actually started as an independent cable channel called College Sports TV, which was only carried on satellite to start. CBS eventually acquired them, but the focus on college sports & carrying smaller league games, as well as the the smaller distribution on cable networks, seems to have stayed intact from the former days.


Guess in both cases it's really more of apathy by the parent network, in just letting the respective channels keep doing what they were doing before, more or less.

If you are a fan of a former CUSA, MWC school, you know all about College Sports TV...they sucked. CBS-SN is a great broadcast, it's just hard to find.

221 on Direct TV. Not hard to find at all.
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(04-19-2017 08:01 PM)MissouriStateBears Wrote:  
(04-19-2017 05:26 PM)billybobby777 Wrote:  
(04-19-2017 03:30 PM)MplsBison Wrote:  OK, after looking at the wikipedia pages for each, one possible explanation:

- NBC SN used to be a channel called Versus, which was owned by Comcast and had wide distribution on cable networks. When NBC and Comcast merged, the channel was rebranded as NBC SN.

- CBS SN actually started as an independent cable channel called College Sports TV, which was only carried on satellite to start. CBS eventually acquired them, but the focus on college sports & carrying smaller league games, as well as the the smaller distribution on cable networks, seems to have stayed intact from the former days.


Guess in both cases it's really more of apathy by the parent network, in just letting the respective channels keep doing what they were doing before, more or less.

If you are a fan of a former CUSA, MWC school, you know all about College Sports TV...they sucked. CBS-SN is a great broadcast, it's just hard to find.

221 on Direct TV. Not hard to find at all.
I spend a good bit of time on 220 (NBCSN) decent amount on 219 (FS1) and very little on 221 but that has more to do with what is being offered.
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(04-19-2017 03:30 PM)MplsBison Wrote:  - NBC SN used to be a channel called Versus, which was owned by Comcast and had wide distribution on cable networks. When NBC and Comcast merged, the channel was rebranded as NBC SN.
One thing about Versus is that while they had events like the Tour de France, which are lower ratings events, they also pull in a bit of a different demographic than ESPN. It's no accident that a lot of the Tour de France commercials are a mix of upscale automobiles and light beers being consumed by yuppies.
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(04-20-2017 12:37 AM)BruceMcF Wrote:  
(04-19-2017 03:30 PM)MplsBison Wrote:  - NBC SN used to be a channel called Versus, which was owned by Comcast and had wide distribution on cable networks. When NBC and Comcast merged, the channel was rebranded as NBC SN.
One thing about Versus is that while they had events like the Tour de France, which are lower ratings events, they also pull in a bit of a different demographic than ESPN. It's no accident that a lot of the Tour de France commercials are a mix of upscale automobiles and light beers being consumed by yuppies.

NBC has taken that approach to the OTA channel counter-programming sports against college football and NFL afternoon broadcasts and on NBCSN.

They show a lot of stuff that doesn't draw large audiences but valuable audiences that can be hard for advertisers to reach.
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(04-19-2017 08:01 PM)MissouriStateBears Wrote:  
(04-19-2017 05:26 PM)billybobby777 Wrote:  
(04-19-2017 03:30 PM)MplsBison Wrote:  OK, after looking at the wikipedia pages for each, one possible explanation:

- NBC SN used to be a channel called Versus, which was owned by Comcast and had wide distribution on cable networks. When NBC and Comcast merged, the channel was rebranded as NBC SN.

- CBS SN actually started as an independent cable channel called College Sports TV, which was only carried on satellite to start. CBS eventually acquired them, but the focus on college sports & carrying smaller league games, as well as the the smaller distribution on cable networks, seems to have stayed intact from the former days.


Guess in both cases it's really more of apathy by the parent network, in just letting the respective channels keep doing what they were doing before, more or less.

If you are a fan of a former CUSA, MWC school, you know all about College Sports TV...they sucked. CBS-SN is a great broadcast, it's just hard to find.

221 on Direct TV. Not hard to find at all.

It is if you don't subscribe to the highest tier or don't have Direct TV.
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Right. DirecTV -- that is, the DBS satellite pay-TV service, not the internet streaming pay-TV service that it has been rebranded as by AT&T -- has what 2x million subscribers?

That's not that many TV households, when you get down to it.


It'd be nice if there was a simple list of the top 50/100 (whatever) cable channels by number of TV households reached. Guessing CBSSN is well behind NBCSN, FS1, and ESPN2.
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I get CBS-SN on Dish but have a mid-tier package with them. In any case the more eyeballs the better so hopefully CBS-SN can work on that. I have watched Army play several times on that network and the production quality is outstanding.
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