(04-17-2017 09:57 PM)Rob Wrote: (04-17-2017 03:22 PM)Hambone10 Wrote: (04-17-2017 02:06 PM)Rob Wrote: What's silly is to think that this would satisfy Republicans.
Who said anything about that? You think the left gives a damn about satisfying 'them'?
What I see is you refusing to admit that the simplest answer for PP is to separate the operations and then any time anyone says anything about it... simply point to the fact that the entire entity is 100% funded by private donations instead of having to have a CPA designation in order to tell.
The entity that gets public funds could say without reservation that they do not provide abortion services of any kind... period. The other side could say... no public funds for ANY (even shared) operations. End of discussion. the Christian right would now be left arguing that donations to an entity that funds abortions shouldn't be tax deductible... and almost nobody would support that (for fear of losing their own deduction)
You act like Republicans are all 'Christians'. The fact is that over 70% of them support abortion rights in much the same way as most of the left does.
Eliminate the target and isolate 'the Christian right' who is engaging in a moral debate, not a financial one.
There are like 10 of you crusading over the financial stuff. This is just a tactic for Republicans to eat away at something they don't like. I never said anything about the left so I don't know why you brought them up. Republicans are the ones at war with abortion. This whole thing stinks, anyway, because the people whining about this stuff keep voting for big government Republicans. They act like they're being patriots about the budget when it comes to stuff like this, yet watch as we continue to pile on debt and increase the budget again. It's all a show.
Rob, it isn't helping you to ignore what I say so you can argue against that.... and then say '10 of us' are doing something that you so clearly don't pay any attention to what at least a few of us are saying.
The 'spending habits' of the government are a completely different issue. This has nothing to do with reducing deficits. It has to do with people who THINK they have a voice in the lives of others (the far Christian Right) because 'public money' goes to it. Those people are no different than the far/atheist left who don't want tax breaks for churches or public money for private schools etc. If you look at it 'just so', you will see what you want to see... but the majority of people understand the realities.
The REAL problem with your argument is that you're actually saying precisely what most of us are saying... and you're acting like we're not.
I'm an old school, small national government Republican which means abortion isn't an issue for the government... but between the parents and physicians. I ALSO don't like that politicians use arguments like this to create heroes and villains in order to raise and/or spend money. One very easy way to reduce (not eliminate, but reduce) the ability for politicians to do that is to completely separate the two entities. One entity gets public funds and provides no abortion services and the other provides nothing BUT abortion services and is fully funded by private contributions.
That decision is ENTIRELY in the hands of Planned Parenthood.
They won't do it because just like those on the right, they know the MONEY is in the argument, not the solution.
You want to blame it on those who have opinions but no control (The Christian Right can't pass any legislation by themselves) and ignore that Planned Parenthood is ENTIRELY in control of their corporate structure. No politicians need be involved at all.
Mach (and others) the specifics depend on how you define those terms. You're trying to imply that the two have to be subsets of each other and they don't. I think abortion is morally wrong... based on MY morals... but that doesn't mean it isn't sometimes necessary, and certainly not that everyone should live by my moral code... meaning the government shouldn't be involved in enforcing MY moral code on others... nor should it prevent me (or discourage me from/not support me in) exercising it myself. I suspect there are also people who think it's morally okay, who wouldn't want THEIR moral code being enforced on the religious.
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