(04-12-2017 12:22 PM)salukiblue Wrote:  

(04-12-2017 12:05 PM)Memphis Blazer Wrote:  No one in this Lawson thing is blameless

Keelon Lawson is a scumbage who has used his kids to further his own career.

Tubby Smith is a dinosaur who refuses to adapt, cared more about giving his kid a job than the program. He is also stealing money since he is apparently in semi retirement when it comes to recruiting.

Gary Parrish and Geoff Caulkins, used to being schmoozed by Josh Pastner have a person vendetta against Tubby Smith because he doesn't cater to the media. They have also decided that this is good for ratings. They ignored Tiger basketball for the most part during the season, compared to previous years. It is not a coincident that they are blowing this up as soon as the dead peeps in sports begin.

If your response to this posts UAB related, then you are wasting your time.

In all fairness, that is such a lazy argument.

I have laid out (before GP did) all the complaints that GP has stated.

I have no vendetta against Tubby, just like I never had a vendetta against Josh (even though I knew by year two Josh wasn't ready for the Memphis job).

Calkins and Parrish are just making factually based statements. They might sting, but they are true.

The whole idea of "access" and "vendetta" in regards to Tubby is just a cop out instead of making factual arguments.

Same for calling Keelon a "pimp" or saying the program is "held hostage."

Lazy folks jump on the regurgitated buzzwords and spout them off like they are factual truths.

Not a cop out at all, in fact quite the opposite. Do you think Weinberger and Vernon would have been as critical of Cal as they were if Cal was on their show every week instead of ignoring them? Of course not. Do you think Calkins would have been as nice to Pastner if Pastner wasn't nice to him? Of course not.

If anyone is lazy it is the media. The competition to be first is now much more important than being right. The observation from this poster is factual.

Keelon is the pure definition of a pimp, which I have consistently said from the first minute he went public saying that the kids were going to whatever school gave him a job.

(04-12-2017 04:28 PM)Stammers Wrote:  

(04-12-2017 12:22 PM)salukiblue Wrote:  

(04-12-2017 12:05 PM)Memphis Blazer Wrote:  No one in this Lawson thing is blameless

Keelon Lawson is a scumbage who has used his kids to further his own career.

Tubby Smith is a dinosaur who refuses to adapt, cared more about giving his kid a job than the program. He is also stealing money since he is apparently in semi retirement when it comes to recruiting.

Gary Parrish and Geoff Caulkins, used to being schmoozed by Josh Pastner have a person vendetta against Tubby Smith because he doesn't cater to the media. They have also decided that this is good for ratings. They ignored Tiger basketball for the most part during the season, compared to previous years. It is not a coincident that they are blowing this up as soon as the dead peeps in sports begin.

If your response to this posts UAB related, then you are wasting your time.

In all fairness, that is such a lazy argument.

I have laid out (before GP did) all the complaints that GP has stated.

I have no vendetta against Tubby, just like I never had a vendetta against Josh (even though I knew by year two Josh wasn't ready for the Memphis job).

Calkins and Parrish are just making factually based statements. They might sting, but they are true.

The whole idea of "access" and "vendetta" in regards to Tubby is just a cop out instead of making factual arguments.

Same for calling Keelon a "pimp" or saying the program is "held hostage."

Lazy folks jump on the regurgitated buzzwords and spout them off like they are factual truths.

Not a cop out at all, in fact quite the opposite. Do you think Weinberger and Vernon would have been as critical of Cal as they were if Cal was on their show every week instead of ignoring them? Of course not. Do you think Calkins would have been as nice to Pastner if Pastner wasn't nice to him? Of course not.

If anyone is lazy it is the media. The competition to be first is now much more important than being right. The observation from this poster is factual.

Keelon is the pure definition of a pimp, which I have consistently said from the first minute he went public saying that the kids were going to whatever school gave him a job.

What Papa is doing is the Memphis way, it is the cost of doing business in the city. Where is Rodney Dangerfield when you need him?

I do think Tubby should try to be available, but he is never going to be drinking buddies with those guys.

The bottom line is Tubby's going to have to win to shut them up. I think he will, but it won't be next year.

(04-12-2017 04:28 PM)Stammers Wrote:  

(04-12-2017 12:22 PM)salukiblue Wrote:  

(04-12-2017 12:05 PM)Memphis Blazer Wrote:  No one in this Lawson thing is blameless

Keelon Lawson is a scumbage who has used his kids to further his own career.

Tubby Smith is a dinosaur who refuses to adapt, cared more about giving his kid a job than the program. He is also stealing money since he is apparently in semi retirement when it comes to recruiting.

Gary Parrish and Geoff Caulkins, used to being schmoozed by Josh Pastner have a person vendetta against Tubby Smith because he doesn't cater to the media. They have also decided that this is good for ratings. They ignored Tiger basketball for the most part during the season, compared to previous years. It is not a coincident that they are blowing this up as soon as the dead peeps in sports begin.

If your response to this posts UAB related, then you are wasting your time.

In all fairness, that is such a lazy argument.

I have laid out (before GP did) all the complaints that GP has stated.

I have no vendetta against Tubby, just like I never had a vendetta against Josh (even though I knew by year two Josh wasn't ready for the Memphis job).

Calkins and Parrish are just making factually based statements. They might sting, but they are true.

The whole idea of "access" and "vendetta" in regards to Tubby is just a cop out instead of making factual arguments.

Same for calling Keelon a "pimp" or saying the program is "held hostage."

Lazy folks jump on the regurgitated buzzwords and spout them off like they are factual truths.

Not a cop out at all, in fact quite the opposite. Do you think Weinberger and Vernon would have been as critical of Cal as they were if Cal was on their show every week instead of ignoring them? Of course not. Do you think Calkins would have been as nice to Pastner if Pastner wasn't nice to him? Of course not.

If anyone is lazy it is the media. The competition to be first is now much more important than being right. The observation from this poster is factual.

Keelon is the pure definition of a pimp, which I have consistently said from the first minute he went public saying that the kids were going to whatever school gave him a job.

Agree to disagree.

I don't see the current criticisms of Tubby and Bowen stemming from "lack of access." Perhaps after this, access will be severely limited.

Keelon and his kids have an intrinsically connected relationship. Like Tubby and Saul. Like Dejaun and Milt, or Tyreke and that dude who was hired, or like Reggie and Derrick. Or Antonio and Will. Or any HS or JUCO coach that is hired to ensure a player comes to a team.

It can be sleazy, but by all accounts the Lawson's weren't a disruptive force. No way Duke offers if they are bad kids or Keelon is a pain.

(04-12-2017 12:05 PM)Memphis Blazer Wrote:  No one in this Lawson thing is blameless

Keelon Lawson is a scumbage who has used his kids to further his own career.

Tubby Smith is a dinosaur who refuses to adapt, cared more about giving his kid a job than the program. He is also stealing money since he is apparently in semi retirement when it comes to recruiting.

Gary Parrish and Geoff Caulkins, used to being schmoozed by Josh Pastner have a person vendetta against Tubby Smith because he doesn't cater to the media. They have also decided that this is good for ratings. They ignored Tiger basketball for the most part during the season, compared to previous years. It is not a coincident that they are blowing this up as soon as the dead peeps in sports begin.

If your response to this posts UAB related, then you are wasting your time.

So people on other boards have the same mixed views based on their personal bias as the people here.


BTW people quit referring to this place as MT.org. MT.org is a Montana tourism site.

(04-12-2017 04:37 PM)salukiblue Wrote:  Agree to disagree.

Wow. Things have really changed around here.

(04-12-2017 04:41 PM)Memphis Blazer Wrote:  

(04-12-2017 04:37 PM)salukiblue Wrote:  Agree to disagree.

Wow. Things have really changed around here.

Hey, the first couple rounds of a title fight are a feeling out process.

(04-12-2017 03:31 PM)TigersOhMy Wrote:  also, it appears Gary thinks of himself as a national media figure since he has his TV spots with CBS now. I could see that leading to him thinking he deserves more access than he is getting in his hometown.

For a national media figure he sure writes a lot about the university. I doubt there is much appeal nationally outside of current and former students and residents.

(04-12-2017 04:16 PM)BuccTiger Wrote:  They want access, to be on the "in", part of the game. They want to be relevant.

(04-12-2017 12:16 PM)memtiger1987 Wrote:  

(04-12-2017 12:05 PM)Memphis Blazer Wrote:  No one in this Lawson thing is blameless

Keelon Lawson is a scumbage who has used his kids to further his own career.

Tubby Smith is a dinosaur who refuses to adapt, cared more about giving his kid a job than the program. He is also stealing money since he is apparently in semi retirement when it comes to recruiting.

Gary Parrish and Geoff Caulkins, used to being schmoozed by Josh Pastner have a person vendetta against Tubby Smith because he doesn't cater to the media. They have also decided that this is good for ratings. They ignored Tiger basketball for the most part during the season, compared to previous years. It is not a coincident that they are blowing this up as soon as the dead peeps in sports begin.

If your response to this posts UAB related, then you are wasting your time.

Damn.. well said

If that was well said, then I need to go back to school and learn to type like that? Did anyone besides myself read all the grammatical errors in this post? Surely Memphis fans are better at the English language than this?

(04-12-2017 05:16 PM)SalRivs Wrote:  

(04-12-2017 12:16 PM)memtiger1987 Wrote:  

(04-12-2017 12:05 PM)Memphis Blazer Wrote:  No one in this Lawson thing is blameless

Keelon Lawson is a scumbage who has used his kids to further his own career.

Tubby Smith is a dinosaur who refuses to adapt, cared more about giving his kid a job than the program. He is also stealing money since he is apparently in semi retirement when it comes to recruiting.

Gary Parrish and Geoff Caulkins, used to being schmoozed by Josh Pastner have a person vendetta against Tubby Smith because he doesn't cater to the media. They have also decided that this is good for ratings. They ignored Tiger basketball for the most part during the season, compared to previous years. It is not a coincident that they are blowing this up as soon as the dead peeps in sports begin.

If your response to this posts UAB related, then you are wasting your time.

Damn.. well said

If that was well said, then I need to go back to school and learn to type like that? Did anyone besides myself read all the grammatical errors in this post? Surely Memphis fans are better at the English language than this?

Sorry my post presented problems for you. My spellcheck has a mind of its own. I type without proofreading, especially on message boards. If you like, I will go back and submit corrections. I know scumbage is not a word, but I think my point was clear.

I do not know all the facts, but based on know information the fault for current mess lies many on Tubby.

The below partially lists his faults:

1. He demoted Keelon and elevated his son which caused loss of significant talent without adequate replacement.

2. He refuses to work with the local media and performs the bare minimum of public relations and program promotion.

3. He has not built the relationships needed to mine the abundance talent in the Memphis area.

4. He delayed, by his own admission, the S&C program.

5. He failed, by his own admission, to develop a bench last season.

6. He lost the final two games by margins not seen in decades and thus killed momentum.

7. He blames fans for having unreasonable expectations.

8. He turns away talented players with nettlesome parents because he does not want to deal with it.

9. He failed to reach his own expectation of a postseason appearance.

In sum, Tubby is the antipode of Norvell.

Was hoping for an interesting reasoned intriguing outsiders view.

Not a fairly lame milquetoast one.

Didn't get it. Keep playing young man.

Yep, a guy that has a top five job in his profession, has the number one radio show in Memphis, is making stuff up and has a vendetta because he doesn't have access to a team that didn't make the NIT for the last three years.

It's not possible that most of his friend base is long time Memphis fans, he grew up a Tiger fan, he went to Memphis, and that what he's saying is factual and the athletic program is dysfunctional and hired a coach that really screwed this thing up.

Got it. It's not because the coach had gutted the roster, is going to miss out on the best run of local talent in Memphis in decades, and has done nothing to inject himself into the community.

(04-13-2017 07:12 AM)Dylan Wrote:  Yep, a guy that has a top five job in his profession, has the number one radio show in Memphis, is making stuff up and has a vendetta because he doesn't have access to a team that didn't make the NIT for the last three years.

It's not possible that most of his friend base is long time Memphis fans, he grew up a Tiger fan, he went to Memphis, and that what he's saying is factual and the athletic program is dysfunctional and hired a coach that really screwed this thing up.

Got it. It's not because the coach had gutted the roster, is going to miss out on the best run of local talent in Memphis in decades, and has done nothing to inject himself into the community.

I've posted this other places, but I feel rather confident in my analysis.

The median of all 247 composite ratings from the Josh era is 49.7.

Tubby's current class is 44.58.

In R.

> x = c(28.10, 60.44, 38.51, 45.21, 68.07, 49.70, 64.87)

> x

[1] 28.10 60.44 38.51 45.21 68.07 49.70 64.87

> median(x)

[1] 49.7

> sd(x)

[1] 14.65077

>

Statistically, Tubby has a very similar class this year to what Josh was doing. Why does Media treat Tubby Smith different than Josh?

You can't argue with this math. Geoff called this class the worst in recent history and it's basically Josh's median.

Lord people, you can't make this stuff up. I'm using data from the 247 composite, which is the least bias source of recruiting information. He's probably going to end up with the best class in the AAC, if all the JUCO's rankings get update. And all you have heard is how awful Tubby Smith is.

Tubby never had a chance with these people.

There's a phrase for this type of behavior.....

(04-13-2017 07:53 AM)FlyingTiger2016 Wrote:  

(04-13-2017 07:12 AM)Dylan Wrote:  Yep, a guy that has a top five job in his profession, has the number one radio show in Memphis, is making stuff up and has a vendetta because he doesn't have access to a team that didn't make the NIT for the last three years.

It's not possible that most of his friend base is long time Memphis fans, he grew up a Tiger fan, he went to Memphis, and that what he's saying is factual and the athletic program is dysfunctional and hired a coach that really screwed this thing up.

Got it. It's not because the coach had gutted the roster, is going to miss out on the best run of local talent in Memphis in decades, and has done nothing to inject himself into the community.

I've posted this other places, but I feel rather confident in my analysis.

The median of all 247 composite ratings from the Josh era is 49.7.

Tubby's current class is 44.58.

In R.

> x = c(28.10, 60.44, 38.51, 45.21, 68.07, 49.70, 64.87)

> x

[1] 28.10 60.44 38.51 45.21 68.07 49.70 64.87

> median(x)

[1] 49.7

> sd(x)

[1] 14.65077

>

Statistically, Tubby has a very similar class this year to what Josh was doing. Why does Media treat Tubby Smith different than Josh?

You can't argue with this math. Geoff called this class the worst in recent history and it's basically Josh's median.

Lord people, you can't make this stuff up. I'm using data from the 247 composite, which is the least bias source of recruiting information. He's probably going to end up with the best class in the AAC, if all the JUCO's rankings get update. And all you have heard is how awful Tubby Smith is.

Tubby never had a chance with these people.

There's a phrase for this type of behavior.....

Not enough stars!

I agree completely..

(04-12-2017 04:37 PM)salukiblue Wrote:  Agree to disagree.

I don't see the current criticisms of Tubby and Bowen stemming from "lack of access." Perhaps after this, access will be severely limited.

Keelon and his kids have an intrinsically connected relationship. Like Tubby and Saul. Like Dejaun and Milt, or Tyreke and that dude who was hired, or like Reggie and Derrick. Or Antonio and Will. Or any HS or JUCO coach that is hired to ensure a player comes to a team.

It can be sleazy, but by all accounts the Lawson's weren't a disruptive force. No way Duke offers if they are bad kids or Keelon is a pain.

On yesterday's CA podcast Calkins spent half the time slamming Tubby's lack of access as a significant problem.

(04-13-2017 08:12 AM)cotton1991 Wrote:  

(04-12-2017 04:37 PM)salukiblue Wrote:  Agree to disagree.

I don't see the current criticisms of Tubby and Bowen stemming from "lack of access." Perhaps after this, access will be severely limited.

Keelon and his kids have an intrinsically connected relationship. Like Tubby and Saul. Like Dejaun and Milt, or Tyreke and that dude who was hired, or like Reggie and Derrick. Or Antonio and Will. Or any HS or JUCO coach that is hired to ensure a player comes to a team.

It can be sleazy, but by all accounts the Lawson's weren't a disruptive force. No way Duke offers if they are bad kids or Keelon is a pain.

On yesterday's CA podcast Calkins spent half the time slamming Tubby's lack of access as a significant problem.

Do you blame him? I wouldn't give these guys the time of day either...

(04-13-2017 08:12 AM)cotton1991 Wrote:  

(04-12-2017 04:37 PM)salukiblue Wrote:  Agree to disagree.

I don't see the current criticisms of Tubby and Bowen stemming from "lack of access." Perhaps after this, access will be severely limited.

Keelon and his kids have an intrinsically connected relationship. Like Tubby and Saul. Like Dejaun and Milt, or Tyreke and that dude who was hired, or like Reggie and Derrick. Or Antonio and Will. Or any HS or JUCO coach that is hired to ensure a player comes to a team.

It can be sleazy, but by all accounts the Lawson's weren't a disruptive force. No way Duke offers if they are bad kids or Keelon is a pain.

On yesterday's CA podcast Calkins spent half the time slamming Tubby's lack of access as a significant problem.

Dealing with the media (especially conceited Calkins) is a pain. Tubby is rich and elderly. He does not have to do it, so he doesn't - regardless of the detrimental effect on the program.

(04-13-2017 08:14 AM)memtiger1987 Wrote:  

(04-13-2017 08:12 AM)cotton1991 Wrote:  

(04-12-2017 04:37 PM)salukiblue Wrote:  Agree to disagree.

I don't see the current criticisms of Tubby and Bowen stemming from "lack of access." Perhaps after this, access will be severely limited.

Keelon and his kids have an intrinsically connected relationship. Like Tubby and Saul. Like Dejaun and Milt, or Tyreke and that dude who was hired, or like Reggie and Derrick. Or Antonio and Will. Or any HS or JUCO coach that is hired to ensure a player comes to a team.

It can be sleazy, but by all accounts the Lawson's weren't a disruptive force. No way Duke offers if they are bad kids or Keelon is a pain.

On yesterday's CA podcast Calkins spent half the time slamming Tubby's lack of access as a significant problem.

Do you blame him? I wouldn't give these guys the time of day either...

It is Tubby's job. Sometimes we have to work with folks we find disagreeable, but it is our job to do it anyway.

I admit, however, dealing with Calkins would be a hardship.

(04-12-2017 12:05 PM)Memphis Blazer Wrote:  No one in this Lawson thing is blameless

Keelon Lawson is a scumbage who has used his kids to further his own career.

Tubby Smith is a dinosaur who refuses to adapt, cared more about giving his kid a job than the program. He is also stealing money since he is apparently in semi retirement when it comes to recruiting.

Gary Parrish and Geoff Caulkins, used to being schmoozed by Josh Pastner have a person vendetta against Tubby Smith because he doesn't cater to the media. They have also decided that this is good for ratings. They ignored Tiger basketball for the most part during the season, compared to previous years. It is not a coincident that they are blowing this up as soon as the dead peeps in sports begin.

If your response to this posts UAB related, then you are wasting your time.

Good honest post MB. Agree with the assessment of Tubby hiring his son Saul (big mistake), stealing (don't know if that's the right word) money at the expense of recruiting, and not connecting with the fan base. In regards to Parrish and Caulkins, Yes, I understand the ratings part of their job and don't agree with all they say or write, but at the same time I do believe what they're saying about possible missing out on some of the top (top being the key word) local recruits is true, and that doesn't sit well with a majority of the Tiger fan base. With that being said, Tubby wasn't my first choice, but since he's here, he does deserve a chance and as a Tiger fan I will support him. If his hire proves to be the wrong one, he'll be replaced. Hell, if Tiger football can be brought up to the level it's at now, then our BB program can also be brought back to the level of prominence we're used to seeing.