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(04-12-2017 05:00 PM)arkstfan Wrote:  That leaves them $8 million short of what AState spends.

Then it's up to the students. If they vote to give themselves an additional $300/semester athletics fee, then nothing more can be said. It's done, and no one may stop them.

(04-12-2017 05:00 PM)arkstfan Wrote:  They take a full $135,000 or whatever it is of television already. According to AState's AD they already get a partial share of the CFP money under the conference revenue sharing plan.
But you are talking at most a million bucks and that's not there if the go FCS.

The Sun Belt gets $X million per year from a combination of bowl game payouts, CFP distribution, media (TV/radio) deals, and the NCAA (MBB tournament payout, maybe they also do a bit of profit sharing?). Probably a few other minor streams.

I don't believe for a second that UALR gets the same share from the Sun Belt as Ark St does. That would be preposterous, as most of the money comes from football.


(04-12-2017 07:30 PM)Stugray2 Wrote:  No, the city will likely cave in and compromise to do some things the SEC school wants done to keep coming back

The point is that the SEC school doesn't want to come back. That's their actual desire.


(04-12-2017 11:05 PM)arkstfan Wrote:  It then became a four year college and when it was on the brink of bankruptcy the Arkansas legislature passed a law permitting LRU to join the University of Arkansas system.

I may be reading him wrong, but I thought what he was proposing was simply to rename the school as "The University of Little Rock", but not necessarily to leave the UA system. It would be similar to Memphis, although they are not in the UT system.

Perhaps UALR (or UofLR) could join the Ark St system?
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(04-13-2017 09:07 AM)MplsBison Wrote:  
(04-12-2017 05:00 PM)arkstfan Wrote:  That leaves them $8 million short of what AState spends.

Then it's up to the students. If they vote to give themselves an additional $300/semester athletics fee, then nothing more can be said. It's done, and no one may stop them.

(04-12-2017 05:00 PM)arkstfan Wrote:  They take a full $135,000 or whatever it is of television already. According to AState's AD they already get a partial share of the CFP money under the conference revenue sharing plan.
But you are talking at most a million bucks and that's not there if the go FCS.

The Sun Belt gets $X million per year from a combination of bowl game payouts, CFP distribution, media (TV/radio) deals, and the NCAA (MBB tournament payout, maybe they also do a bit of profit sharing?). Probably a few other minor streams.

I don't believe for a second that UALR gets the same share from the Sun Belt as Ark St does. That would be preposterous, as most of the money comes from football.


(04-12-2017 07:30 PM)Stugray2 Wrote:  No, the city will likely cave in and compromise to do some things the SEC school wants done to keep coming back

The point is that the SEC school doesn't want to come back. That's their actual desire.


(04-12-2017 11:05 PM)arkstfan Wrote:  It then became a four year college and when it was on the brink of bankruptcy the Arkansas legislature passed a law permitting LRU to join the University of Arkansas system.

I may be reading him wrong, but I thought what he was proposing was simply to rename the school as "The University of Little Rock", but not necessarily to leave the UA system. It would be similar to Memphis, although they are not in the UT system.

Perhaps UALR (or UofLR) could join the Ark St system?

UALR and UTA did get a portion of the CFP money. Yes it is preposterous but that's what the presidents voted to do. I mean it is sort of silly for Michigan and Ohio State to give Indiana and Purdue an equal share but they do it.
University presidents approach things differently from the rest of the world.

He was talking about UALR breaking away, that can only be done by act of the legislature and sending them to another system would be less opposed than independence but it would more likely be sending them over to UCA, only 33 miles down the road with a mandate that the two eliminate duplicative programs.
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(04-13-2017 10:00 AM)arkstfan Wrote:  UALR and UTA did get a portion of the CFP money.

That wasn't strictly the question.

Ark St, ULL, Troy, etc. will get a $X distribution from the Sun Belt for this athletic year. UTA and UALR will get a $Y distribution from the Sun Belt for this athletic year.

Y < X. But what are the specific numbers?
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(04-13-2017 10:07 AM)MplsBison Wrote:  
(04-13-2017 10:00 AM)arkstfan Wrote:  UALR and UTA did get a portion of the CFP money.

That wasn't strictly the question.

Ark St, ULL, Troy, etc. will get a $X distribution from the Sun Belt for this athletic year. UTA and UALR will get a $Y distribution from the Sun Belt for this athletic year.

Y < X. But what are the specific numbers?

UALR and UTA take almost $500,000 less than full members playing football because a portion of CFP money is placed in the general fund for distribution.
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Not sure why you're so fixated on CFP money, unless you're incorrectly using that term to refer to all football revenue.

So you're saying that UALR and UTA get a full share of revenue from bowl game payouts? Come on ...
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(04-13-2017 10:20 AM)arkstfan Wrote:  
(04-13-2017 10:07 AM)MplsBison Wrote:  
(04-13-2017 10:00 AM)arkstfan Wrote:  UALR and UTA did get a portion of the CFP money.

That wasn't strictly the question.

Ark St, ULL, Troy, etc. will get a $X distribution from the Sun Belt for this athletic year. UTA and UALR will get a $Y distribution from the Sun Belt for this athletic year.

Y < X. But what are the specific numbers?

UALR and UTA take almost $500,000 less than full members playing football because a portion of CFP money is placed in the general fund for distribution.
So if UALR became a full member they would get extra money equal to about half of what the Cajuns pay for a head coach.

A helpful amount, but not a solution to the problem.
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The solution, I guess, would be student fees.

If the students want football, then they can pay for it. Nice things aren't free.
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(04-13-2017 10:24 AM)MplsBison Wrote:  Not sure why you're so fixated on CFP money, unless you're incorrectly using that term to refer to all football revenue.

So you're saying that UALR and UTA get a full share of revenue from bowl game payouts? Come on ...

I know this is INCREDIBLY difficult to grasp.
First there is basically NO football money outside of the CFP distribution. The conference takes 50% of the bowl revenue and puts it in a pool to help out any member that isn't selling enough tickets to break even on their bowl trip. So if USA has to go to Arizona for example, they get a payment to make up the difference between their bowl revenue and expenses.
If there is any money left over (and sometimes there isn't) it goes into the general revenue pile shared by all full members regardless of whether or not they sponsor football.
Then a portion of the distribution from is peeled off and placed in the pool distributed to ALL 12 FULL MEMBERS WITHOUT REGARD TO WHETHER THEY PLAY FOOTBALL but that distribution from that pool which also includes NCAA units and any profits off conference tournaments is distributed semi-equally to the members with weighting for post-season appearance across various sports.
The remainder of the CFP distribution is given to the football schools and weighted based on whether they were bowl eligible.
The average football distribution is just short of $500,000 more than what UTA and UALR receive.
That is impossible to achieve unless some of the $10 million plus from CFP and bowl revenue is distributed to basketball members.

Maybe I should have you email our athletic director so you can tell him he doesn't know what he's talking about.
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In my opinion, that is an excessively convoluted way to run the ship. I'm sure it was well meaning, but I think it's ridiculous.

CFP money and bowl money are millions, each, in total. That money should be split equally, to just football members. End of story

The media deal is most likely based on broadcasting football games. Doubt bball conf games have much to do with it, maybe a little bit of money from ESPN to show the SB tourny champ game. So that money should mostly go to football members.


The rest of it, obviously NCAA MBB tourney credits, split among all members.


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(04-13-2017 11:50 AM)MplsBison Wrote:  In my opinion, that is an excessively convoluted way to run the ship. I'm sure it was well meaning, but I think it's ridiculous.

CFP money and bowl money are millions, each, in total. That money should be split equally, to just football members. End of story

The media deal is most likely based on broadcasting football games. Doubt bball conf games have much to do with it, maybe a little bit of money from ESPN to show the SB tourny champ game. So that money should mostly go to football members.


The rest of it, obviously NCAA MBB tourney credits, split among all members.


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We (Arkansas State) agree but we didn't win that vote.
We opposed the skimming of bowl ticket sales and distribution of football revenue to non-football schools.
Maybe it was a poison pill to keep UALR and UTA from adding football by reducing how much they could gain by playing.
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(04-13-2017 12:06 PM)arkstfan Wrote:  Maybe it was a poison pill to keep UALR and UTA from adding football by reducing how much they could gain by playing.

But if so ... why??

Is there a genuine desire by the rest of the conference to rid themselves of these two, and/or is there a genuine desire by the rest of the conference to make sure neither play Sun Belt football??
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(04-13-2017 12:06 PM)arkstfan Wrote:  Maybe it was a poison pill to keep UALR and UTA from adding football by reducing how much they could gain by playing.

But if so ... why??

Is there a genuine desire by the rest of the conference to rid themselves of these two, and/or is there a genuine desire by the rest of the conference to make sure neither play Sun Belt football??

I suspect it is just a case of seeing the conference as an equity partnership but the sharing does create a disincentive to adding football.
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(04-14-2017 07:51 PM)arkstfan Wrote:  
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(04-13-2017 12:06 PM)arkstfan Wrote:  Maybe it was a poison pill to keep UALR and UTA from adding football by reducing how much they could gain by playing.

But if so ... why??

Is there a genuine desire by the rest of the conference to rid themselves of these two, and/or is there a genuine desire by the rest of the conference to make sure neither play Sun Belt football??

I suspect it is just a case of seeing the conference as an equity partnership but the sharing does create a disincentive to adding football.

If either Sunbelt non-FB school wants to add FB primarily for other reasons, then moving up still gives them a bigger conference share, so it's not like it's an active penalty for upgrading. It's just watering down the reward in terms of conference revenue.

And, after all, there is a difference between wanting to discourage a non-FB school from adding football for any reason and wanting to discourage a non-FB school from adding football primarily to get a bigger share of conference revenue.

The latter is a probably lose-lose ... the non-FB school moving up primarily to share in conference revenues is not likely to be a very big success in FB and will probably not work out as well as the consultant hired to say "it's a great idea!" would suggest ... and the move up reduces revenue shares all around.
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That didn't stop W Kentucky or Charlotte ... not that the latter was a Sun Belt team. But you get the idea.
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The money they spent on stadium upgrades could have been better spent on every Little Rock citizens with an outhouse and a still !
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(04-15-2017 10:01 AM)MplsBison Wrote:  That didn't stop W Kentucky or Charlotte ... not that the latter was a Sun Belt team. But you get the idea.
For those of us who grew up wth the Sun Belt of the 1980s, only Jacksonville and VCU have not gone FBS:

South Alabama (1976-present)
Georgia State (1976-1981, 2013-present)
UAB (1979-1991)
Western Kentucky (1982-2014)
Charlotte (1976-1991)
Old Dominion (1982-1991)
South Florida (1976-1991)

Jacksonville (1976-1998)
VCU (1979-1991)
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It would be great to see Jacksonville move up to FBS one day, and perhaps play in the Jags stadium.
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(04-15-2017 10:23 AM)JHS55 Wrote:  The money they spent on stadium upgrades could have been better spent on every Little Rock citizens with an outhouse and a still !

Well I'm sorry the education system wherever you are from leads you to think plumbing hasn't reached the area. Just to help you out. New Mexico, Arizona, Alaska and Hawaii are now states.

I endorse a still for every house. Them suckers are expensive.
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(04-15-2017 10:01 AM)MplsBison Wrote:  That didn't stop W Kentucky or Charlotte ... not that the latter was a Sun Belt team. But you get the idea.

WKU was earlier in BCS era when the revenue share from BCS was significantly less.
WKU already had an FCS program with a national title.
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(04-15-2017 12:21 PM)MplsBison Wrote:  It would be great to see Jacksonville move up to FBS one day, and perhaps play in the Jags stadium.


Sun Belt Conference right now have had eyes on North Florida. If North Florida have pulled the plug to add football? They would also played in the Jags stadium as well from the same city. North Florida University's image is on the rise with the success of their basketball team recently. Jacksonville have been put to the back in recent years of success.
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