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Illinois St and Drake move to Summit League for men's tennis
Today, Illinois St and Drake announced they moved to the Summit League for that sport for next year. With Wichita St leaving as that sport will be in the AAC. S Illinois and Stony Brook haven't announced an affiliation yet.

I bring this up as it may have provide a clue in that any new MVC school(s) won't have men's tennis.

Murray St doesn't have men's tennis. NDSU doesn't have it. Milwaukee doesn't have it.

Valpo does have it. Belmont does have it. UIC has it. Omaha has it. NKU has it. SDSU has it. UMKC has it.

Looks like the MVC will only add one at most, otherwise why switch leagues for a single sport?
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(04-12-2017 12:08 AM)NoDak Wrote:  Today, Illinois St and Drake announced they moved to the Summit League for that sport for next year. With Wichita St leaving as that sport will be in the AAC. S Illinois and Stony Brook haven't announced an affiliation yet.

I bring this up as it may have provide a clue in that any new MVC school(s) won't have men's tennis.

Murray St doesn't have men's tennis. NDSU doesn't have it. Milwaukee doesn't have it.

Valpo does have it. Belmont does have it. UIC has it. Omaha has it. NKU has it. SDSU has it.

Looks like the MVC will only add one at most, otherwise why switch leagues for a single sport?

Well, since it is unlikely that NDSU goes without SDSU that cancels them out...plus, Drake and ISUr wouldn't be moving that sport to the Summit if they thought the conference was unstable. Looks like Murray State it is. Good work NoDak. Now...what about their football to the MVFC? Maybe, the Valley saw this coming and struck a deal with the Dakota schools that they would admit UND if they would later endorse Murray State.
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(04-12-2017 12:08 AM)NoDak Wrote:  Today, Illinois St and Drake announced they moved to the Summit League for that sport for next year. With Wichita St leaving as that sport will be in the AAC. S Illinois and Stony Brook haven't announced an affiliation yet.

I bring this up as it may have provide a clue in that any new MVC school(s) won't have men's tennis.

Murray St doesn't have men's tennis. NDSU doesn't have it. Milwaukee doesn't have it.

Valpo does have it. Belmont does have it. UIC has it. Omaha has it. NKU has it. SDSU has it.

Looks like the MVC will only add one at most, otherwise why switch leagues for a single sport?

Well, since it is unlikely that NDSU goes without SDSU that cancels them out...plus, Drake and ISUr wouldn't be moving that sport to the Summit of they thought the conference was unstable. Looks like Murray State it is. Good work NoDak. Now...what about their football to the MVFC? Maybe, the Valley saw this coming and struck a deal with Dakota schools that they would admit UND if they would later endorse Murray State.
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(04-12-2017 12:26 AM)Shox Wrote:  
(04-12-2017 12:08 AM)NoDak Wrote:  Today, Illinois St and Drake announced they moved to the Summit League for that sport for next year. With Wichita St leaving as that sport will be in the AAC. S Illinois and Stony Brook haven't announced an affiliation yet.

I bring this up as it may have provide a clue in that any new MVC school(s) won't have men's tennis.

Murray St doesn't have men's tennis. NDSU doesn't have it. Milwaukee doesn't have it.

Valpo does have it. Belmont does have it. UIC has it. Omaha has it. NKU has it. SDSU has it.

Looks like the MVC will only add one at most, otherwise why switch leagues for a single sport?

Well, since it is unlikely that NDSU goes without SDSU that cancels them out...plus, Drake and ISUr wouldn't be moving that sport to the Summit if they thought the conference was unstable. Looks like Murray State it is. Good work NoDak. Now...what about their football to the MVFC? Maybe, the Valley saw this coming and struck a deal with the Dakota schools that they would admit UND if they would later endorse Murray State.

Since the MVC doesn't have travel partners in MBB, SDSU is not needed for NDSU. Both SD U's are in tiny towns where a weekday game is relatively poorly attended because few can travel any distance. Look up their attendances on weekend vs weeknight.

Furthermore, the SD schools need state approval from their Regents, and with TSL tourney in SF, it doesn't add up why they would even attempt it. Perhaps one school could play weekday games in Sioux Falls, but why spend on arenas like they have? The SD schools need to maximize home weekend series as much as possible and the MVC doesn't do that.

I agree that Murray St is the likely 10th school and if that isn't approved by Murray admin, NDSU is the backup. Also agree that the MVFC was now open to UND, as Murray St wanted an assurance of only one fb trip a year to the Dakotas. With an informal divisional setups of six each, that is possible.
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RE: Illinois St and Drake move to Summit League for men's tennis
The Summit will have seven full member teams without Drake and lll St. UND has men's tennis but hasn't given scholarships for it as yet. NDSU, USD, and IPFW don't have it.
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RE: Illinois St and Drake move to Summit League for men's tennis
Southern Illinois is dropping tennis at the end of the year. This move would have happened regardless of the Wichita conference move. Nothing much to see here.
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(04-12-2017 12:57 AM)ShockerDR Wrote:  Southern Illinois is dropping tennis at the end of the year. This move would have happened regardless of the Wichita conference move. Nothing much to see here.

Well the MVC isn't going to 12 then.
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RE: Illinois St and Drake move to Summit League for men's tennis
The meaning is obvious. The MVC is not adding anyone. They will have 9 schools in the upcoming year 2017-18.

The American was working on Wichita State as far back as November. Mind you, this can be done in a shorter time frame if there is a firm consensus among the MVC schools as to direction and who to add. But even then we are still talking a couple months, which pushes us into June, and the 2017-18 season starts July 1st. But everyone is scheduling now, pr started earlier, including the MVC. There simply is not enough time to add anyone. But more likely a consensus has yet to be formed. The meeting was intended to get a consensus, but the statement coming out sounded like they had not reached one.

Drake and Illinois State understood this and understood Men's Tennis would not have sufficient teams, and so signed affiliate memberships with the Summit. Typically such contracts are 2 or 4 years in length. This seems to also suggest that no Summit schools are in the MVC discussions about membership, as Drake and Illinois State felt secure in placing their tennis in that conference.

This basically signals the MVC will probably evaluate it's options, and open discussions with target schools to determine if there is a fit or not. We are looking at a 6-9 month process. And this may mean adding 0, 1, 2, or 3 schools. This will be for 2018-19 season.
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RE: Illinois St and Drake move to Summit League for men's tennis
Stony Brook already announced they are dropping Tennis.

Men's Tennis was doomed before Wichita State left. Another sport and incoming school would have to find a home for.

There are 6 Women's teams left: Bradley, Drake, Evansville, Illinois State, Missouri State, Northern Iowa
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If the Valley is the way it is in most of their sports (not providing a full alottment), then why would any HL team join? Why would they separate their men's swimming team and put it in the MAC or try to find a home for their tennis team? Is it really worth it? Granted, basketball pays the bills at this level without football, but other than that the Horizon League is a better all-around conference than The MVC. And it will get better!
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(04-12-2017 04:56 AM)Chuck_A Wrote:  If the Valley is the way it is in most of their sports (not providing a full alottment), then why would any HL team join? Why would they separate their men's swimming team and put it in the MAC or try to find a home for their tennis team? Is it really worth it? Granted, basketball pays the bills at this level without football, but other than that the Horizon League is a better all-around conference than The MVC. And it will get better!

To Chuck's point ...

http://thesouthern.com/sports/ingram-lea...1c2aa.html

If the MVC is a better league than the HL, this move shouldn't happen.
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(04-12-2017 09:04 AM)ShockerDR Wrote:  
(04-12-2017 04:56 AM)Chuck_A Wrote:  If the Valley is the way it is in most of their sports (not providing a full alottment), then why would any HL team join? Why would they separate their men's swimming team and put it in the MAC or try to find a home for their tennis team? Is it really worth it? Granted, basketball pays the bills at this level without football, but other than that the Horizon League is a better all-around conference than The MVC. And it will get better!

To Chuck's point ...

http://thesouthern.com/sports/ingram-lea...1c2aa.html

If the MVC is a better league than the HL, this move shouldn't happen.

SIU, as well as WIU and EWU, seem to be really hurting financially. Ill-Chi, Ill St, SIUe, and Ill, not so much, as they haven't had enrollment drops. SIU cut women's tennis too and cut back on M&W swimming too, and their whole U is probably getting cut in more minor ways.
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RE: Illinois St and Drake move to Summit League for men's tennis
(04-12-2017 12:08 AM)NoDak Wrote:  Today, Illinois St and Drake announced they moved to the Summit League for that sport for next year. With Wichita St leaving as that sport will be in the AAC. S Illinois and Stony Brook haven't announced an affiliation yet.

I bring this up as it may have provide a clue in that any new MVC school(s) won't have men's tennis.

Murray St doesn't have men's tennis. NDSU doesn't have it. Milwaukee doesn't have it.

Valpo does have it. Belmont does have it. UIC has it. Omaha has it. NKU has it. SDSU has it. UMKC has it.

Looks like the MVC will only add one at most, otherwise why switch leagues for a single sport?

Or not, as many have stated the sport was dying in the Valley. They would have had to add 2 or 3 tennis playing schools to get back up to relatively safe numbers. The Tennis story signals nothing.

NDSU is not a backup for anything. If NDSU get an invite it would mean the conference is splitting apart with at least one, likely two private schools going to the Horizon and Indiana State and SIU leaving for the OVC. It also means the Summit is dead with all four Dakota schools moving. That is the only way you will see NDSU get into the MVC.

The conference could easily structure a deal providing the departing schools with monies from the WSU "slush fund". Any new school won't be receiving any of that money anyway.

My bet is the MVC add one school who will not begin play till 2018. It will be Murray or Valpo. Whichever one says yes. If it is Murray, God help us if they get into the MVFC. They are terrible and can't afford the travel which would mean the FB conference will be split along East West lines with the eastern side being a joke and the western side being murderer's row.
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(04-12-2017 09:04 AM)ShockerDR Wrote:  
(04-12-2017 04:56 AM)Chuck_A Wrote:  If the Valley is the way it is in most of their sports (not providing a full alottment), then why would any HL team join? Why would they separate their men's swimming team and put it in the MAC or try to find a home for their tennis team? Is it really worth it? Granted, basketball pays the bills at this level without football, but other than that the Horizon League is a better all-around conference than The MVC. And it will get better!

To Chuck's point ...

http://thesouthern.com/sports/ingram-lea...1c2aa.html

If the MVC is a better league than the HL, this move shouldn't happen.

Thanks. I saw that on the uicflames.com website. There must have been a mandate or something from the Presidents of the Horizon League over the past 2-3 years. The conference has had a change of every basketball coach in the League except for Oakland's Greg Kampe in that time span. The talent level of those teams (except Cleveland State since they've had a mass exodus of transfers) have improved as well. Even Olympic sports have had changes in coaching across the league. Maybe the Presidents are finally realizing that sometimes you have to better your own self instead of waiting for someone else to throw you a bone.
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(04-12-2017 12:39 AM)NoDak Wrote:  SDSU is not needed for NDSU

Yes it is -- NDSU isn't going anywhere without SDSU. That is a set in stone fact. You can try to deny it, but that's just a lie.


(04-12-2017 03:48 AM)Stugray2 Wrote:  The meaning is obvious. The MVC is not adding anyone. They will have 9 schools in the upcoming year 2017-18.

The American was working on Wichita State as far back as November. Mind you, this can be done in a shorter time frame if there is a firm consensus among the MVC schools as to direction and who to add. But even then we are still talking a couple months, which pushes us into June, and the 2017-18 season starts July 1st. But everyone is scheduling now, pr started earlier, including the MVC. There simply is not enough time to add anyone. But more likely a consensus has yet to be formed. The meeting was intended to get a consensus, but the statement coming out sounded like they had not reached one.

Drake and Illinois State understood this and understood Men's Tennis would not have sufficient teams, and so signed affiliate memberships with the Summit. Typically such contracts are 2 or 4 years in length. This seems to also suggest that no Summit schools are in the MVC discussions about membership, as Drake and Illinois State felt secure in placing their tennis in that conference.

This basically signals the MVC will probably evaluate it's options, and open discussions with target schools to determine if there is a fit or not. We are looking at a 6-9 month process. And this may mean adding 0, 1, 2, or 3 schools. This will be for 2018-19 season.

Sounds correct to me.


(04-12-2017 04:56 AM)Chuck_A Wrote:  Why would they separate their men's swimming team and put it in the MAC or try to find a home for their tennis team? Is it really worth it?

Better question: why are men's golf, men's tennis, and men's swimming even varsity sports at schools?? Those should be club sports.

Add more men's soccer and men's volleyball teams! Those are sports worthy of varsity status.
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(04-12-2017 10:49 AM)MplsBison Wrote:  
(04-12-2017 12:39 AM)NoDak Wrote:  SDSU is not needed for NDSU

Yes it is -- NDSU isn't going anywhere without SDSU. That is a set in stone fact. You can try to deny it, but that's just a lie.


(04-12-2017 03:48 AM)Stugray2 Wrote:  The meaning is obvious. The MVC is not adding anyone. They will have 9 schools in the upcoming year 2017-18.

The American was working on Wichita State as far back as November. Mind you, this can be done in a shorter time frame if there is a firm consensus among the MVC schools as to direction and who to add. But even then we are still talking a couple months, which pushes us into June, and the 2017-18 season starts July 1st. But everyone is scheduling now, pr started earlier, including the MVC. There simply is not enough time to add anyone. But more likely a consensus has yet to be formed. The meeting was intended to get a consensus, but the statement coming out sounded like they had not reached one.

Drake and Illinois State understood this and understood Men's Tennis would not have sufficient teams, and so signed affiliate memberships with the Summit. Typically such contracts are 2 or 4 years in length. This seems to also suggest that no Summit schools are in the MVC discussions about membership, as Drake and Illinois State felt secure in placing their tennis in that conference.

This basically signals the MVC will probably evaluate it's options, and open discussions with target schools to determine if there is a fit or not. We are looking at a 6-9 month process. And this may mean adding 0, 1, 2, or 3 schools. This will be for 2018-19 season.

Sounds correct to me.


(04-12-2017 04:56 AM)Chuck_A Wrote:  Why would they separate their men's swimming team and put it in the MAC or try to find a home for their tennis team? Is it really worth it?

Better question: why are men's golf, men's tennis, and men's swimming even varsity sports at schools?? Those should be club sports.

Add more men's soccer and men's volleyball teams! Those are sports worthy of varsity status.

Because there are young men and women who enjoy the sport of golf, tennis and swimming. Some might have aspirations of going pro (there's a former Oakland golfer who just played in the Masters) or maybe to the Olympics. At any we have those sports at UIC as well as soccer and I think it's a good thing. It helps the overall makeup of a well rounded University. Since there is the Fighting Illini football team, we just cheer for them as we don't need another struggling team in Illinois. We tried that before and decided to drop football.
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I didn't say anything about football.

Glad that a handful of collegiate golfers, tennis players, and swimmers can go on to the highest levels of their respective sports ... but most of the competitors at that level bypassed the collegiate level of competition, for good reason.

There is no reason to be giving athletic scholarships to golfers, tennis players, or swimmers. 07-coffee3
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(04-12-2017 10:49 AM)MplsBison Wrote:  
(04-12-2017 12:39 AM)NoDak Wrote:  SDSU is not needed for NDSU

Yes it is -- NDSU isn't going anywhere without SDSU. That is a set in stone fact. You can try to deny it, but that's just a lie.

Show where it is set in stone. You can't and its just a lie.

The posters on Bisonville are always complaining about artificial tethering to SDSU and how NDSU deserves a full rival like UNI. SDSU is tethered to USD and that's it.
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(04-12-2017 12:43 AM)NoDak Wrote:  The Summit will have seven full member teams without Drake and lll St. UND has men's tennis but hasn't given scholarships for it as yet. NDSU, USD, and IPFW don't have it.

What's up SV, no more Slummit?
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(04-12-2017 11:07 AM)NoDak Wrote:  Show where it is set in stone. You can't and its just a lie.

Show where NDSU is willing to move without SDSU. You can't and its just a lie.
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