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(04-12-2017 03:22 PM)BroncoPhilly Wrote:  We've said it before and I'll say it again-when Committees ignore input from average folks who have skin in the game they end up screwing things up. Hope we don't have another Judith Bailey.

You're making one hell of a lot of assumptions, off the cuff.
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(04-12-2017 03:28 PM)Potro Wrote:  
(04-12-2017 03:22 PM)BroncoPhilly Wrote:  We've said it before and I'll say it again-when Committees ignore input from average folks who have skin in the game they end up screwing things up. Hope we don't have another Judith Bailey.

You're making one hell of a lot of assumptions, off the cuff.

I'm expressing an opinion, if you don't agree with it than debate it on the facts. But don't get insulting, any fool can do that.
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(04-12-2017 03:30 PM)BroncoPhilly Wrote:  
(04-12-2017 03:28 PM)Potro Wrote:  
(04-12-2017 03:22 PM)BroncoPhilly Wrote:  We've said it before and I'll say it again-when Committees ignore input from average folks who have skin in the game they end up screwing things up. Hope we don't have another Judith Bailey.

You're making one hell of a lot of assumptions, off the cuff.

I'm expressing an opinion, if you don't agree with it than debate it on the facts. But don't get insulting, any fool can do that.

I think the fact that approximately 75% of the 22 person search committee was made up of individuals within WMU (students, faculty, staff, administration) should give us some comfort that academic leadership was a big area that was addressed as I would assume they would focus more on that because it would be what they know. Maybe I am just naive, but I'm more comfortable with his academic leadership than I would be of his fundraising just based on the resume and the committee makeup.

We will never know how much weight was put into the "average folk" input, but they at least made it relatively easy to provide, either online at your convenience or at one of the open sessions. I would also think a lot of those involved have been around long enough to remember Judith Bailey as well and I'm sure they don't want a repeat either. I'm going to give the committee the benefit of the doubt until shown why I shouldn't given they had an executive search firm, narrowed 78 applicants down to 9 who they interviewed and then to 3 that they presented to the board.
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He does have a connection to WMU. His son will be graduating from WMU in a few weeks and several people from his wife's side of the family (Lansing area) graduated from WMU. Got that from Channel 3.
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(04-12-2017 04:17 PM)BaldingBroncoFan Wrote:  He does have a connection to WMU. His son will be graduating from WMU in a few weeks and several people from his wife's side of the family (Lansing area) graduated from WMU. Got that from Channel 3.

Encouraging.

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(04-12-2017 04:17 PM)BaldingBroncoFan Wrote:  He does have a connection to WMU. His son will be graduating from WMU in a few weeks and several people from his wife's side of the family (Lansing area) graduated from WMU. Got that from Channel 3.

Yes his wife is from Michigan and I don't think he is a stranger to Kalamazoo and West Michigan. He probably has more connection than Dr Dunn did coming in.
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(04-12-2017 03:22 PM)BroncoPhilly Wrote:  He has little to no background in Education Leadership. He's been a faculty member, an economist and an appointee to some task forces during the Obama Administration. What qualifies him to be a University President at an up and coming mid-major?

Sorry, I don't see this one at all. This is the best the Board could do after a months-long search? All that secrecy to pick someone with no appreciable Higher Education leadership background.

We've said it before and I'll say it again-when Committees ignore input from average folks who have skin in the game they end up screwing things up. Hope we don't have another Judith Bailey.

I believe Bailey had that "higher education leadership background" and look how that worked for us... I will regard this hire as appropriate and positive until proven otherwise...
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(04-10-2017 03:58 PM)Bronco68 Wrote:  Announced today that the Board of Trustees will vote on the selected individual to be our next president at a special meeting on Wednesday at 11 am. The event will be live streamed online at bit.ly/1Go6KLc

Well that explains the Fox 17 van I saw, the camera that was being set up near the fountain and Sangren Hall and the gaggle of people past Sangren.
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I had a chance for a brief conversation with Dr. Montgomery today, he agrees with Dr. Dunn that many people in white and black stripped shirts could benefit for the WMU blind rehab program and Dr. Montgomery hopes to continue with advice during the games to the officials most in need.

He reminded me of how PJ dominated a room with his presence and voice. I think he will bring a similar level of enthusiasm and presence to his leadership style. He was easy to approach and was engaging in conversation and with his prepared remarks. I came away ready to follow his lead.

Kathy B was on the committee and said that each of the final three candidates were outstanding and had a good understanding of the role for athletics in the university setting. I hope he proves himself right for the job, he got off to a great start with the people in attendance.
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(04-12-2017 03:30 PM)BroncoPhilly Wrote:  
(04-12-2017 03:28 PM)Potro Wrote:  
(04-12-2017 03:22 PM)BroncoPhilly Wrote:  We've said it before and I'll say it again-when Committees ignore input from average folks who have skin in the game they end up screwing things up. Hope we don't have another Judith Bailey.

You're making one hell of a lot of assumptions, off the cuff.

I'm expressing an opinion, if you don't agree with it than debate it on the facts. But don't get insulting, any fool can do that.

My comment was insulting?? You must be really really thin skinned.
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(04-12-2017 07:58 PM)Potro Wrote:  
(04-12-2017 03:30 PM)BroncoPhilly Wrote:  
(04-12-2017 03:28 PM)Potro Wrote:  
(04-12-2017 03:22 PM)BroncoPhilly Wrote:  We've said it before and I'll say it again-when Committees ignore input from average folks who have skin in the game they end up screwing things up. Hope we don't have another Judith Bailey.

You're making one hell of a lot of assumptions, off the cuff.

I'm expressing an opinion, if you don't agree with it than debate it on the facts. But don't get insulting, any fool can do that.

My comment was insulting?? You must be really really thin skinned.


First you tell me I'm making a lot of 'off the cuff...assumptions' and then you tell me I'm 'really think skinned'. Can't you argue or debate without getting personal? Think about it before you respond this time. I note you haven't challenged any of my points yet.

I hope he ends up being a good President, but his prior job assignments show very few educational leadership roles-in fact none that I can see. The point somebody made about Judith Bailey have a lot and turning out to be a bust was well made, prior experience in a similar role is not a guarantee of success. But it should at least factor in to the base criteria, the entry-level requirements.
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When they post the job for college president at any university, does it automatically list as a criteria for the job to be a sickle and hammer liberal?
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(04-13-2017 06:09 AM)BroncoPhilly Wrote:  
(04-12-2017 07:58 PM)Potro Wrote:  
(04-12-2017 03:30 PM)BroncoPhilly Wrote:  
(04-12-2017 03:28 PM)Potro Wrote:  
(04-12-2017 03:22 PM)BroncoPhilly Wrote:  We've said it before and I'll say it again-when Committees ignore input from average folks who have skin in the game they end up screwing things up. Hope we don't have another Judith Bailey.

You're making one hell of a lot of assumptions, off the cuff.

I'm expressing an opinion, if you don't agree with it than debate it on the facts. But don't get insulting, any fool can do that.

My comment was insulting?? You must be really really thin skinned.


First you tell me I'm making a lot of 'off the cuff...assumptions' and then you tell me I'm 'really think skinned'. Can't you argue or debate without getting personal? Think about it before you respond this time. I note you haven't challenged any of my points yet.

I hope he ends up being a good President, but his prior job assignments show very few educational leadership roles-in fact none that I can see. The point somebody made about Judith Bailey have a lot and turning out to be a bust was well made, prior experience in a similar role is not a guarantee of success. But it should at least factor in to the base criteria, the entry-level requirements.

You jumped to three assumptions. 1) they ignored input from "average folks" 2) They end up screwing things up 3) He could be another Judith Bailie. I still say those comments are off the cuff.
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(04-13-2017 10:58 AM)brovol Wrote:  When they post the job for college president at any university, does it automatically list as a criteria for the job to be a sickle and hammer liberal?

Ha!

Touche!

As long as he does not allow "safe zones" from free speech, or allow extremist protesters (from either wing-nut extreme) to bar entry into, or heckle, speakers, I am fine with him.
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(04-13-2017 11:26 AM)Potro Wrote:  
(04-13-2017 06:09 AM)BroncoPhilly Wrote:  
(04-12-2017 07:58 PM)Potro Wrote:  
(04-12-2017 03:30 PM)BroncoPhilly Wrote:  
(04-12-2017 03:28 PM)Potro Wrote:  You're making one hell of a lot of assumptions, off the cuff.

I'm expressing an opinion, if you don't agree with it than debate it on the facts. But don't get insulting, any fool can do that.

My comment was insulting?? You must be really really thin skinned.


First you tell me I'm making a lot of 'off the cuff...assumptions' and then you tell me I'm 'really think skinned'. Can't you argue or debate without getting personal? Think about it before you respond this time. I note you haven't challenged any of my points yet.

I hope he ends up being a good President, but his prior job assignments show very few educational leadership roles-in fact none that I can see. The point somebody made about Judith Bailey have a lot and turning out to be a bust was well made, prior experience in a similar role is not a guarantee of success. But it should at least factor in to the base criteria, the entry-level requirements.

You jumped to three assumptions. 1) they ignored input from "average folks" 2) They end up screwing things up 3) He could be another Judith Bailie. I still say those comments are off the cuff.

1. The candidate search was held in private rather then public.
2. They could have, we won't know for some time.
3. Yes, he COULD be (BaileY btw). Which brings us back to point 1#, why was the search held in private-again? That process has been suspect since our last go around.

Dr. Montgomery has thin credentials in Higher Education Leadership, that much is without question. Can he LEAD Western Michigan University to a higher level? That remains to be seen. Should experience as a University President or another university leadership position have been a base requirement for this job? In my view yes, in your view apparently not.
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(04-13-2017 02:44 PM)BroncoPhilly Wrote:  
(04-13-2017 11:26 AM)Potro Wrote:  
(04-13-2017 06:09 AM)BroncoPhilly Wrote:  
(04-12-2017 07:58 PM)Potro Wrote:  
(04-12-2017 03:30 PM)BroncoPhilly Wrote:  I'm expressing an opinion, if you don't agree with it than debate it on the facts. But don't get insulting, any fool can do that.

My comment was insulting?? You must be really really thin skinned.


First you tell me I'm making a lot of 'off the cuff...assumptions' and then you tell me I'm 'really think skinned'. Can't you argue or debate without getting personal? Think about it before you respond this time. I note you haven't challenged any of my points yet.

I hope he ends up being a good President, but his prior job assignments show very few educational leadership roles-in fact none that I can see. The point somebody made about Judith Bailey have a lot and turning out to be a bust was well made, prior experience in a similar role is not a guarantee of success. But it should at least factor in to the base criteria, the entry-level requirements.

You jumped to three assumptions. 1) they ignored input from "average folks" 2) They end up screwing things up 3) He could be another Judith Bailie. I still say those comments are off the cuff.

1. The candidate search was held in private rather then public.
2. They could have, we won't know for some time.
3. Yes, he COULD be (BaileY btw). Which brings us back to point 1#, why was the search held in private-again? That process has been suspect since our last go around.

Dr. Montgomery has thin credentials in Higher Education Leadership, that much is without question. Can he LEAD Western Michigan University to a higher level? That remains to be seen. Should experience as a University President or another university leadership position have been a base requirement for this job? In my view yes, in your view apparently not.

Did lack of previous head coaching experience hinder the trajectory at which PJ took our football program... I think it's yet to be seen how the criteria you have laid out projects on the success of this new WMU President... I have hopes that he continues to lead WMU on the path that Dunn has so nicely prepared...
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(04-13-2017 02:44 PM)BroncoPhilly Wrote:  
(04-13-2017 11:26 AM)Potro Wrote:  
(04-13-2017 06:09 AM)BroncoPhilly Wrote:  
(04-12-2017 07:58 PM)Potro Wrote:  
(04-12-2017 03:30 PM)BroncoPhilly Wrote:  I'm expressing an opinion, if you don't agree with it than debate it on the facts. But don't get insulting, any fool can do that.

My comment was insulting?? You must be really really thin skinned.


First you tell me I'm making a lot of 'off the cuff...assumptions' and then you tell me I'm 'really think skinned'. Can't you argue or debate without getting personal? Think about it before you respond this time. I note you haven't challenged any of my points yet.

I hope he ends up being a good President, but his prior job assignments show very few educational leadership roles-in fact none that I can see. The point somebody made about Judith Bailey have a lot and turning out to be a bust was well made, prior experience in a similar role is not a guarantee of success. But it should at least factor in to the base criteria, the entry-level requirements.

You jumped to three assumptions. 1) they ignored input from "average folks" 2) They end up screwing things up 3) He could be another Judith Bailie. I still say those comments are off the cuff.

1. The candidate search was held in private rather then public.
2. They could have, we won't know for some time.
3. Yes, he COULD be (BaileY btw). Which brings us back to point 1#, why was the search held in private-again? That process has been suspect since our last go around.

Dr. Montgomery has thin credentials in Higher Education Leadership, that much is without question. Can he LEAD Western Michigan University to a higher level? That remains to be seen. Should experience as a University President or another university leadership position have been a base requirement for this job? In my view yes, in your view apparently not.

Something tells me if this guy had the exact same resume (quite impressive btw) and was a staunch conservative you'd be giddy as hell right now.
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(04-13-2017 02:44 PM)BroncoPhilly Wrote:  
(04-13-2017 11:26 AM)Potro Wrote:  
(04-13-2017 06:09 AM)BroncoPhilly Wrote:  
(04-12-2017 07:58 PM)Potro Wrote:  
(04-12-2017 03:30 PM)BroncoPhilly Wrote:  I'm expressing an opinion, if you don't agree with it than debate it on the facts. But don't get insulting, any fool can do that.

My comment was insulting?? You must be really really thin skinned.


First you tell me I'm making a lot of 'off the cuff...assumptions' and then you tell me I'm 'really think skinned'. Can't you argue or debate without getting personal? Think about it before you respond this time. I note you haven't challenged any of my points yet.

I hope he ends up being a good President, but his prior job assignments show very few educational leadership roles-in fact none that I can see. The point somebody made about Judith Bailey have a lot and turning out to be a bust was well made, prior experience in a similar role is not a guarantee of success. But it should at least factor in to the base criteria, the entry-level requirements.

You jumped to three assumptions. 1) they ignored input from "average folks" 2) They end up screwing things up 3) He could be another Judith Bailie. I still say those comments are off the cuff.

1. The candidate search was held in private rather then public.
2. They could have, we won't know for some time.
3. Yes, he COULD be (BaileY btw). Which brings us back to point 1#, why was the search held in private-again? That process has been suspect since our last go around.

Dr. Montgomery has thin credentials in Higher Education Leadership, that much is without question. Can he LEAD Western Michigan University to a higher level? That remains to be seen. Should experience as a University President or another university leadership position have been a base requirement for this job? In my view yes, in your view apparently not.

No job search should be done publicly. You aren't going to get candidates willing to stick their neck out like that. No school is going to want to risk having to publicly go to their 2nd choice if the first one ends up turning them down. You don't see it for head coaches, you don't see it in the private companies, it just doesn't make sense. While the search wasn't open, everyone had the opportunity to voice their thoughts in various methods.
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(04-13-2017 03:59 PM)BusinessBronco Wrote:  
(04-13-2017 02:44 PM)BroncoPhilly Wrote:  
(04-13-2017 11:26 AM)Potro Wrote:  
(04-13-2017 06:09 AM)BroncoPhilly Wrote:  
(04-12-2017 07:58 PM)Potro Wrote:  My comment was insulting?? You must be really really thin skinned.


First you tell me I'm making a lot of 'off the cuff...assumptions' and then you tell me I'm 'really think skinned'. Can't you argue or debate without getting personal? Think about it before you respond this time. I note you haven't challenged any of my points yet.

I hope he ends up being a good President, but his prior job assignments show very few educational leadership roles-in fact none that I can see. The point somebody made about Judith Bailey have a lot and turning out to be a bust was well made, prior experience in a similar role is not a guarantee of success. But it should at least factor in to the base criteria, the entry-level requirements.

You jumped to three assumptions. 1) they ignored input from "average folks" 2) They end up screwing things up 3) He could be another Judith Bailie. I still say those comments are off the cuff.

1. The candidate search was held in private rather then public.
2. They could have, we won't know for some time.
3. Yes, he COULD be (BaileY btw). Which brings us back to point 1#, why was the search held in private-again? That process has been suspect since our last go around.

Dr. Montgomery has thin credentials in Higher Education Leadership, that much is without question. Can he LEAD Western Michigan University to a higher level? That remains to be seen. Should experience as a University President or another university leadership position have been a base requirement for this job? In my view yes, in your view apparently not.

No job search should be done publicly. You aren't going to get candidates willing to stick their neck out like that. No school is going to want to risk having to publicly go to their 2nd choice if the first one ends up turning them down. You don't see it for head coaches, you don't see it in the private companies, it just doesn't make sense. While the search wasn't open, everyone had the opportunity to voice their thoughts in various methods.

A lot of job searches for high leadership positions are done publicly, most notably White House Cabinet positions-but also many other places. And any candidates scared away by public exposure are probably ones we don't want anyway.

There are pluses and minuses with both approaches, but after the last disastrous experience we had at WMU in 2003 with Judith Bailey I've become an advocate of open hiring. Everybody has input and the process can only be enhanced by full exposure and open debate.

At any rate, it's pointless to debate this anymore, it's a done deal. I wish President Elect Montgomery the best and will support him as I've supported all WMU Presidents over the decades.
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We hired Dunn in a public search. These positions aren't actually 'public' until the final 3-5 are named and brought to campus for open presentations.
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