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RE: Rank Division I programs in your state in terms of resources
(04-11-2017 02:53 PM)loki_the_bubba Wrote:  
(04-11-2017 02:46 PM)DavidSt Wrote:  
(04-11-2017 02:33 PM)loki_the_bubba Wrote:  Off the top of my head


Texas


aTm





TexasTech
Baylor
TCU
Houston



SMU
Rice

North Texas
UTEP
UTSA
TexasState

Sam Houston
Stephen F Austin
UT Arlington
UT Pan Am

aTm Corpus Christi
Lamar
Houston Baptist
Dallas Baptist

Prairie View
Texas Southern

UTRGV
Texas A&M-Kingsville (Beach Volleyball)

What I listed as UT Pan Am is now UTRGV.
aTm Kingsville is a D2 school.


So is Dallas Baptist. Beach Volleyball is not a D2 sponsor sport.
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(04-11-2017 02:57 PM)DavidSt Wrote:  
(04-11-2017 02:53 PM)loki_the_bubba Wrote:  
(04-11-2017 02:46 PM)DavidSt Wrote:  
(04-11-2017 02:33 PM)loki_the_bubba Wrote:  Off the top of my head


Texas


aTm





TexasTech
Baylor
TCU
Houston



SMU
Rice

North Texas
UTEP
UTSA
TexasState

Sam Houston
Stephen F Austin
UT Arlington
UT Pan Am

aTm Corpus Christi
Lamar
Houston Baptist
Dallas Baptist

Prairie View
Texas Southern

UTRGV
Texas A&M-Kingsville (Beach Volleyball)

What I listed as UT Pan Am is now UTRGV.
aTm Kingsville is a D2 school.


So is Dallas Baptist. Beach Volleyball is not a D2 sponsor sport.

DBU plays D1 baseball so I didn't bother to look up their other sports when I made a list off the top of my head. Take them off the list in your mind if you want. I don't care.
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RE: Rank Division I programs in your state in terms of resources
(04-10-2017 07:02 AM)CliftonAve Wrote:  
(04-10-2017 05:36 AM)dxdtdemon Wrote:  
(04-09-2017 04:24 PM)Captain Bearcat Wrote:  
(04-09-2017 10:39 AM)Lenvillecards Wrote:  Kentucky would have to be a 10 due to fan support.

Louisville would be a 9.

WKU around a 5.

Morehead around a 3.

Murray & EKU about a 2 or 2.5, not far behind Morehead.

I'm guessing you skipped NKU because you consider them an Ohio team? 05-nono Ok, I'll include them in Ohio

10 - Ohio State - Probably tied for #1 in the country with Texas and Michigan

8 - Cincinnati - compared to P5s in similar size regions (like Iowa, Oregon, and West Virginia), large fan base when their winning, but a smaller core of die-hards. Institutional commitment to football and basketball.

6 - Dayton - possibly the biggest basketball-only fanbase in the country
6 - Xavier - Big East money and more luxury boxes, but smaller fanbase than Dayton
(note -for basketball, Dayton and Xavier have almost equal resources to Cincinnati)

5 - Ohio
5 - Toledo
4.5 - Akron
4.5 - Kent
4.5 - Miami - they used to be tied with Xavier, but they've really fallen off the map
4 - Bowling Green
4 - Northern Kentucky - easily the best arena of the Horizon schools
4 - Youngstown State - the Tressel machine has given them a fair amount of resources for athletics.
3 - Cleveland State
2 - Wright State

I mostly agree with this, but would put Cleveland State at a 2 and Wright State at 0.5, 0 if athletics end up getting cancelled, 1 otherwise. They have a big arena, but it's the non-basketball events that people show up for.

I'd lower Akron and elevate Kent. Kent has very good Olympic sport program compared to Akron. Plus they more than twice as large of a school.

Wright State Has a very good baseball program but that is about it. It might as well be an OSU branch college. When my cousin was there in the early 90s there was some basketball support but that has eroded somewhat.

As much as I hate to say it Akron has great Olympic sports as well most years being in the top of the MAC and last year actually beating out Kent in what used to be called the Sears cup standings (up until very recently Kent State was #1 in the MAC every year that year they were #2).

That said I still agree with you in the result due to Akron being so bad off monetarily and it not being the first time and every time it is self inflicted. Kent does not spend as much but it also does not charge as much and is overall the better institution in many ways (unless you are going into specific fields such as some engineering fields or law which KSU does not offer). In addition to not spending as much Kent keeps itself from being hurt financially and while it is not the sexy way to go it puts money into endowing its sports programs to keep them healthy.

Also another thing to consider is that Kent spends less than many schools but it has had a lot of success. So do you value the money a school can or does throw at athletics/how many people go to see them or do you value how well a program has done such as Kent has done with an Elite 8 in basketball or the CWS in baseball or its many other accomplishments in sports that it has had over the years (traditionally the only sport that Kent does not do well in is football and oh by is KSU generally bad at it though it was good at times even getting ranked in the 70s back when it was harder to be so with only 20 spots and even recently with their one good season but otherwise not usually good).
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(04-11-2017 02:27 PM)DavidSt Wrote:  Lower Divisions schools that have D1 programs people forget.

Johns Hopkins,
Caldwell-New Jersey
Hobart-New York
New Jersey City
Adelphi-New York
Kutztown
Lock Haven
Hartwick-New York
Columbus State
MIT
Ursinus
Bellarmine
North Georgia
Lock Haven
West Chester
Le Moyne
Dallas Baptist
Drury
Alaska-Anchorage
Penn. State-Behrend
Seattle Pacific
Concordia-Irvine
LIU-Post
Pace
New York Tech (private and large enrollment)
Quincy
SUNY-Oneonta
Hawaii-Hilo
American International
Bentley
Mercyhurst
Rochester Tech
Lindenwood-Missouri
Findlay
Wayne State-Michigan
Clarkson
St. Lawrence
Union-New York
Merrimack
Colorado College
Minn.-Duluth
St. Cloud State
UAH
Alaska
Bemidji State
Ferris State
Lake Superior State
Michigan Tech
Minnesota State-Mankato
Northern Michigan
St. Scholastica
Gogebic CC (skiing)
Gustavus Adolphus College
St. Olaf
Conn. College
Gannon
Monmouth, Illinois
Salem International
Washington & Jefferson
Carthage
Grove City
Macalester
Utica
McKendree
Springfield
Bates
Bowdoin
Colby
Colby-Sawyer
Middlebury
Plymouth State
Saint Michaels
U. Maine-Presque Isle
Williams
Bloomsburg
Clarion
Edinboro
Millersville
Azusa Pacific
Fresno Pacific
Bridgeport
Queens-New York
Saint Rose
Southern Conn. State
Baruch
Hunter
Lehman
New York Maritime
US Merchant Marine
Montclair State
Mount Saint Mary-New York
College of New Jersey
Ramapo
Rowan
Staten Island
William Patterson
John Jay
Coast Guard
University of the Science
Centenary-louisiana
Texas Women's
Lewis
Bryn Mawr College
Drew
Haverford
Mount Holyoke College
Smith
Stevens Tech
Swarthmore College
Yeshiva University
Colorado Mountain College
Westminster College (Utah)
Colorado Mines
Western State
Whitman College
University of California, San Diego
California State University, East Bay
California State University, Monterey Bay
Sonoma State University
Barton
Belmont Abbey
Emmanuel
Erskine
King-Tennessee
Lees-McRae
Limestone
Mount Olive
North Greenville
Pfeiffer (Conference Carolinas is in D1 for Men's Volleyball since D2 does not sponsor the sport.)
CIAA plays D1 women's bowling.
East Coast Conference sponsors D1 women's bowling.
MIAA sponsors D1 women's bowling.
Alderson Broaddus
Augusta
Bowie State
Cal State Los Angeles
Carson–Newman
Central Missouri
Charleston (WV)
Chestnut Hill
Chowan
Coker
Colorado Mesa
Daemen
Eckerd
Elizabeth City State
Fayetteville State
Erskine
Felician
Francis Marion
Franklin Pierce
Gannon
Johnson C. Smith
Limestone
Livingstone
Maryville, MO.
Molloy
Mount Olive
Post
Queens (NC)
Roberts Wesleyan
Saint Augustine's
Shaw
Spring Hill
Texas A&M-Kingsville
Ursuline
Virginia State
Virginia Union
Wilmington
Winona State

Adrian
Alma
Babson
Bowdoin
Brandeis
Caltech
Castleton State
CCNY
Cortland State
Elmhurst
Franklin & Marshall
Hamline
Ithaca
Massachusetts Maritime
Medaille
Nebraska Wesleyan
New Jersey City
NYU
Penn State Altoona
RPI
Rhode Island College
Rose–Hulman
Tufts
Vassar
Wellesley
Wilson (PA)
Wisconsin–Eau Claire
Wisconsin–La Crosse
Wisconsin–Oshkosh
Wisconsin–Stout
Wisconsin–Whitewater






Yeah, we have a lot of D2 and D3 schools for one sport or more at D1. This does not count the community colleges that compete in College Rodeo and some other sports, and some NAIA schools as well.

Single sport schools are not DI
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As was already noted, Minnesota only has one DI school for the whole state.

But it has several DII schools in the Northern Sun Conf, and also several well supported DIII private schools in the MIAC conference. Both are nationally competitive at the DII and DIII levels respectively in many sports.


Truth be told, when you look at the profile of many of these schools, they're really not all that different from other schools around the country who are in DI. Just the desire and will to move to DI, several decades ago, by those schools.


(04-09-2017 10:29 AM)Rube Dali Wrote:  No need to do anyone else because none will ever move up to D-I.

Duluth could move to DI, if it dropped football and possibly W Hockey. There would be no attempt to block it by the MN government or the U of Minn board, and there are already other state's with the same precedent in the Big Ten.
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(04-11-2017 11:01 AM)Curtisc83 Wrote:  
(04-09-2017 10:52 AM)mturn017 Wrote:  UVA
VT


ODU
VCU

JMU
Richmond

W&M
GMU

Something like that

Hmmm no LU listed

Yeah, I left a few Div I teams off that I'd consider below these listed but I honestly forgot about Liberty. That's a tough one, as far as resources they're probably just below VT/UVA. They certainly have the cash and aren't restricted in the same ways public schools are. It'll be interesting to see how much they invest going forward.
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(04-12-2017 10:15 AM)MplsBison Wrote:  As was already noted, Minnesota only has one DI school for the whole state.

But it has several DII schools in the Northern Sun Conf, and also several well supported DIII private schools in the MIAC conference. Both are nationally competitive at the DII and DIII levels respectively in many sports.


Truth be told, when you look at the profile of many of these schools, they're really not all that different from other schools around the country who are in DI. Just the desire and will to move to DI, several decades ago, by those schools.


(04-09-2017 10:29 AM)Rube Dali Wrote:  No need to do anyone else because none will ever move up to D-I.

Duluth could move to DI, if it dropped football and possibly W Hockey. There would be no attempt to block it by the MN government or the U of Minn board, and there are already other state's with the same precedent in the Big Ten.
Again, it's a total lie that Duluth would move up if women's hockey and football were dropped. There is no support for any school to move up.
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(04-12-2017 10:55 AM)Rube Dali Wrote:  There is no support for any school to move up.

That is an entirely different statement than "It is impossible for any school to move up".

Glad you agree that Duluth could move up to DI, if that's what its admin and boosters wanted.
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(04-12-2017 10:55 AM)Rube Dali Wrote:  
(04-12-2017 10:15 AM)MplsBison Wrote:  As was already noted, Minnesota only has one DI school for the whole state.

But it has several DII schools in the Northern Sun Conf, and also several well supported DIII private schools in the MIAC conference. Both are nationally competitive at the DII and DIII levels respectively in many sports.


Truth be told, when you look at the profile of many of these schools, they're really not all that different from other schools around the country who are in DI. Just the desire and will to move to DI, several decades ago, by those schools.


(04-09-2017 10:29 AM)Rube Dali Wrote:  No need to do anyone else because none will ever move up to D-I.

Duluth could move to DI, if it dropped football and possibly W Hockey. There would be no attempt to block it by the MN government or the U of Minn board, and there are already other state's with the same precedent in the Big Ten.
Again, it's a total lie that Duluth would move up if women's hockey and football were dropped. There is no support for any school to move up.

With as much grief as UND is still getting for dropping women's hockey, Duluth and Minnesota generally would see open civil strife if that ever happened there. Duluth spends a veritable fortune on the sport.
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Minnesota is zero threat to drop it. So that's a red herring.

Duluth could drop it, and about the same number of people would care as UND dropping it. Sure some news media and talking heads would make a stink .... for that news cycle, then that goes away. And you're left with a cost savings.
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(04-12-2017 11:22 AM)MplsBison Wrote:  Duluth could drop it, and about the same number of people would care as UND dropping it.

UND WIH: 0 conference titles; 0 national titles

Whereas, Minnesota-Duluth WIH has multiple of each.

The faux-rage that UND faced would be a mere pothole in comparison to the Grand Canyon should UMD try to drop WIH.
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(04-10-2017 02:40 AM)DawgNBama Wrote:  I'll do the states of Alabama & Oregon:


State of Alabama:

10: 'Bama- easily has the most resources in the state by far and very widespread support.

8/9: Auburn- The loveliest village on the Plains is a big boy (P5), but to say they are equal with 'Bama is a bit of a stretch. Auburn seems to lack the statewide support that 'Bama has (it seems limited to southeast Alabama & Birmingham) & their stadium is somewhat smaller too. (87,000 approx vs 104,000 approx). Surprisingly, Auburn has a substantial fanbase in western Georgia. Basically, Auburn is a poor man's UGa, IMO.




4/5: Troy- very solid support in southeastern Alabama. Troy has a fanbase stretching from parts of Montgomery all the way south to Dothan. still, doesn't have statewide support though, and is vastly outnumbered by 'Bama & Auburn fans.
4/5 : South Alabama- see Troy, but the fanbase is located more in the Mobile area.
4/5: UAB- although fanbase is limited to B'ham for the most part, still UAB does make its presence known.
4: JSU-decent resources for an FCS program, but small fanbase in a small town.
4: Alabama A&M- decent resources and has the Magic City Classic with Alabama State in B'ham.
4: Alabama State- see Alabama A&M but add the Turkey Day Classic with Tuskegee too.
4: UNA- see JSU, but they are moving up from Div 2
3: Samford: private Southern Baptist school in the B'ham area, but chooses to be frugal with their money, ala' UPenn.


State of Oregon:

10: U of Oregon- Phil Knight and Nike already added to a solid Ducks legacy. Plus, U of O has very little competition from the NFL. It's kinda surprising Oregon hasn't expanded Autzen yet, IMO. Huge statewide fanbase.

8: Oregon State- the Beavers have been the underdog to the Ducks for a long time, but they are in the P5, and they have the Reser family helping them out some. Still, the Beavers support is kinda limited to swath of Oregon stretching from Corvallis to Portland.


4: U of Portland: does surprisingly well for themselves being in the WCC.
3/4: Portland State: probably has a bigger fanbase in the Rose City (Portland), but lacks the resources that U of Portland has, IMO.


We haven't played Tuskegee in the Turkey Day Classic since 2012. They've been replaced with Miles College
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(04-12-2017 01:34 PM)The Sicatoka Wrote:  Whereas, Minnesota-Duluth WIH has multiple of each.

............. like I said, the same number of people care: very few.

A sport that costs a ton of money, and makes little money, is not justified just because its a winner. Sorry!
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(04-11-2017 02:33 PM)loki_the_bubba Wrote:  Off the top of my head


Texas


aTm





TexasTech
Baylor
TCU
Houston



SMU
Rice

North Texas
UTEP
UTSA
TexasState

Sam Houston
Stephen F Austin
UT Arlington
UT Pan Am

aTm Corpus Christi
Lamar
Houston Baptist
Dallas Baptist

Prairie View
Texas Southern

That looks like a very good start. I admit I am a little biased, but I think Lamar and possibly TAMU-CC could be moved up in the SFA/Sam Houston group.. Looking at the program I am familiar with, here are some numbers.

Athletic Expenses (per the most recent OPE Equity in Athletics report)
Lamar $18,052,995
Sam Houston $16,024,424
SFA $15,528,490
TAMU-CC $10,313,499 (no football)
HBU $15,314,235

https://ope.ed.gov/athletics/#/

Facilities capacity
Lamar has the largest capacity of the group in:
Football - 16,000 - Complete renovation in 2009 (SFA is 14,575. SHSU is 12,593)
Basketball - 10,080 - renovations in 2005 and 2007 (SFA is 7,203. SHSU is 6,110)
Baseball - 3,500 - a $5,000,000 renovation is in the budget (SFA is 1,000. SHSU is 1,163)

Attendance (a representation of fan support)
Lamar is #2 in football attendance from the 2013-2017* seasons
Lamar is #2 in men's basketball attendance during the same period
Lamar falls down to #3 in women's basketball attendance
Lamar is #2 in baseball attendance

*Concentrated on these seasons because current NCAA database has football attendance records from this period forward. (Lamar's attendance would look better in football if I went back to the program's restart.)

http://stats.ncaa.org/rankings?sport_cod...ivision=11

NCAA tournament appearances ( a representation of athletic history)
MBB - Lamar is #1 with 6 D1 tournament appearances and #1 with a 5-6 record once in the tournament (made it to Sweet 16) Lamar had an 80 game home court winning streak, currently the 7th longest in NCAA D1.
WBB - SFA is in the lead with 18 D1 tournament appearances. Lamar is #2 with 2 NCAA tournament appearances making it to the Elite 8 in one of those appearances. The other listed Texas programs have not made it to the D1 NCAA tournament yet.
Baseball - Lamar is #1 with 13 D1 tournament appearances. Lamar's overall tournament record is 13-26 compared with Sam Houston State's 10 D1 appearances and 11-20 overall tournament record. As far as I can tell SFA and TAMU-CC have yet to make the tournament. Neither have made the tournament as a Southland Conference representative. HBU made the tournament once as a Trans-America Conference representative.

SFA and Sam Houston State have the overall edge on football post season play. Lamar brought that program back in 2010 after a 20 year absence. Sam Houston State has had a lot of success in recent years. Since Lamar's program restart here's how Lamar compares with SFA.
2011 Lamar 4-7 SFA 6-5
2012 Lamar 4-8 SFA 5-6
2013 Lamar 5-7 SFA 3-9
2014 Lamar 8-4 SFA 8-5 (includes playoff loss)
2015 Lamar 5-6 SFA 4-7
2016 Lamar 3-8 SFA 5-6

Media Exposure - I think Sam Houston State and Stephen F. Austin have the edge in this category. The annual Battle of the Piney Woods is growing in popularity and receives good press in the Houston area. Stephen F. Austin's basketball success under Brad Underwood helped them. Sam Houston State's deep DI FCS football playoff runs the past several years have helped the Bearkats. Lamar received some exposure with its hiring of Pat Knight, former Texas Tech head coach and Bobby Knight's son. That exposure was good initially with Knight taking the Cardinals to a 23-12 record and the NCAA D1 tournament for its sixth appearance. The following two years were bad, with the Cardinals winning only 6 more games during Knight's remaining tenure - cut short by his mid-season firing.

Location - In the location category, I think both Sam Houston State and Lamar have an advantage over Stephen F. Austin.
- Sam Houston State is located outside of the Houston-The Woodland-Sugar Land MSA, but is on the northern edge of the Combined Statistical Area.
- Lamar, just 10-15 miles farther from downtown Houston than Sam Houston State, is located in the Beaumont-Port Arthur MSA (est 409,968). The western portion of that MSA shares a border with the Houston-The Woodlands-Sugar Land MSA (6,772,470). The eastern portion of the Beaumont-Port Arthur MSA shares a border with the Lake Charles MSA (207,483).

University size - Sam Houston State is #1 in this category with a fall 2016 enrollment of 20,181. Lamar is #2 with 15,022 enrolled. Stephen F. Austin had 12,606 in enrollment. One advantage Lamar has over the others is that the Lamar Institute of Technology (formerly part of Lamar University) is across the street from the University. LIT has around 3,700 students. Those students share in the athletic fees with Lamar University students. They also share in benefits associated with the fees. For athletic fees, that gives Lamar an effective enrollment of around 19,000 students.
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(04-09-2017 11:14 PM)ohio1317 Wrote:  Ohio

1. Ohio State- Drive across the state in the fall and you will see far more Buckeye flags than Browns or Bengals put together (at least with the drives I have taken).
2. Cincinnati- I have Bearcats fans who have worried for the future with conference realignment, but I do not worry for them. While the situation sucks, UC has established itself at a level they aren't going back from.

After this it gets a little tough as you have to decide how to rank basketball vs. football. Xavier and Dayton have good basketball followings without football while some of the top MAC schools have decent football followings.

3. Xavier: Xavier is a legitimate power in basketball. They have a good conference situation, and they have good following in Cincinnati.

4. Toledo: The Rockets has a somewhat weird space. They are in a city that is decent size (not huge), but which is evenly split among Ohio State and Michigan fans (close to Michigan border with UM much closer than OSU). They are the biggest Ohio MAC city though and that does seem to help them some with recruiting and the like.

5. Ohio University: Their name helps as going to Ohio sounds bigger than saying a smaller Ohio city. They have been gradually growing as a MAC power for years in my view.

6. Dayton: I love the Flyers, but think lack of football keeps them down a little. It's not too far, but they don't have the profile of Xavier nationally or the strong UC/XU type rivalry to generate as much interest beyond their area. That said, Dayton is passionate for them. I have an uncle who has given everyone he knows about Flyer gear.

7. Miami: They have fallen, but I think a lot of it is temporary. They have established themselves as kind of elite/artsy (or at least that is my view). That doesn't always mean positive things for sports, but it is specific identity which does set them apart. Their history also helps (even still hold the edge over UC in football, but that will reverse soon enough).

8. Bowling Green: Very nice campus. Have been discussed in BCS races when were undefeated late.

9. Youngstown State: They have Jim Tressel as president and Bo Pelini as a football coach and stand a chance at winning national champions at their level. I actually hear more about them than the MAC teams in real life in Columbus.

10. Akron: Decent size city. One of the better nicknames (Zips).

11. Kent State: Smaller and close to Akron hurt, but it is a bit more of a smaller college feel too.


fair and accurate assessment
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1. Iowa
2. Iowa State
3. UNI
4. Drake

1. NW
2. Illinois
3. NIU
4. Bradley
5. LOYOLA
6. Illinois St
7. DePaul
8. SIU
9. Western Illinois-they beat NIU last year so I've put em up.
10. UIC
11. EIU
12. Chicago St--should be closed tommorow morning.

Texas
ATM
Baylor
TCU

Tech

Houston
SMU
Rice

UTSA
UTEP
North Texas
Texas St

Texas Arlington
Houston Baptist
Sam Houston St
I'll stop here.
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Tennessee

Vandy
Memphis

MTSU

ETSU
Chattanooga
Belmont

Lipscomb
Tennessee St
Tennessee Tech
Austin Peay
UT Martin

I think that is everybody.
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(04-10-2017 08:34 AM)Minutemen429 Wrote:  8/9 - BC - ACC - Power conference member, I believe they just passed $200 Million in athletic facilities renovations

5 - UMass - A10 - Just completed new basketball and football facilities. With a huge football stadium issue.

4 - Harvard - Ivy - Probably more money that any university in the country, but doesn't use much of it for sports.

3 - Holy Cross - Patriot - In the process of a $100 million sports upgrade. Plenty of money. They de-emphasized sports in the 70's.

2 - UMass Lowell - America East - Elite level hockey recently, the rest of the sports are brand new to D1. Recently took over ownership of the Tsongas Arena for basketball/hockey. A great baseball facility shared with the Red Sox A ball team.

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(04-16-2017 05:50 PM)Calex Wrote:  
(04-10-2017 08:34 AM)Minutemen429 Wrote:  8/9 - BC - ACC - Power conference member, I believe they just passed $200 Million in athletic facilities renovations

5 - UMass - A10 - Just completed new basketball and football facilities. With a huge football stadium issue.

4 - Harvard - Ivy - Probably more money that any university in the country, but doesn't use much of it for sports.

3 - Holy Cross - Patriot - In the process of a $100 million sports upgrade. Plenty of money. They de-emphasized sports in the 70's.

2 - UMass Lowell - America East - Elite level hockey recently, the rest of the sports are brand new to D1. Recently took over ownership of the Tsongas Arena for basketball/hockey. A great baseball facility shared with the Red Sox A ball team.

Don't forget hockey U! (BU)

Yeah I forgot Northeastern as well.

I guess they'd both be 4's. BU's Agganis Arena is fantastic, blue blood hockey. The focus is 100% on the hockey team.

Northeastern is in a better athletic conference than BU, but doesn't have an Elete program like BU hockey.
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(04-11-2017 02:27 PM)DavidSt Wrote:  Lower Divisions schools that have D1 programs people forget.

Johns Hopkins,
Caldwell-New Jersey
Hobart-New York
New Jersey City
Adelphi-New York
Kutztown
Lock Haven
Hartwick-New York
Columbus State
MIT
Ursinus
Bellarmine
North Georgia
Lock Haven
West Chester
Le Moyne
Dallas Baptist
Drury
Alaska-Anchorage
Penn. State-Behrend
Seattle Pacific
Concordia-Irvine
LIU-Post
Pace
New York Tech (private and large enrollment)
Quincy
SUNY-Oneonta
Hawaii-Hilo
American International
Bentley
Mercyhurst
Rochester Tech
Lindenwood-Missouri
Findlay
Wayne State-Michigan
Clarkson
St. Lawrence
Union-New York
Merrimack
Colorado College
Minn.-Duluth
St. Cloud State
UAH
Alaska
Bemidji State
Ferris State
Lake Superior State
Michigan Tech
Minnesota State-Mankato
Northern Michigan
St. Scholastica
Gogebic CC (skiing)
Gustavus Adolphus College
St. Olaf
Conn. College
Gannon
Monmouth, Illinois
Salem International
Washington & Jefferson
Carthage
Grove City
Macalester
Utica
McKendree
Springfield
Bates
Bowdoin
Colby
Colby-Sawyer
Middlebury
Plymouth State
Saint Michaels
U. Maine-Presque Isle
Williams
Bloomsburg
Clarion
Edinboro
Millersville
Azusa Pacific
Fresno Pacific
Bridgeport
Queens-New York
Saint Rose
Southern Conn. State
Baruch
Hunter
Lehman
New York Maritime
US Merchant Marine
Montclair State
Mount Saint Mary-New York
College of New Jersey
Ramapo
Rowan
Staten Island
William Patterson
John Jay
Coast Guard
University of the Science
Centenary-louisiana
Texas Women's
Lewis
Bryn Mawr College
Drew
Haverford
Mount Holyoke College
Smith
Stevens Tech
Swarthmore College
Yeshiva University
Colorado Mountain College
Westminster College (Utah)
Colorado Mines
Western State
Whitman College
University of California, San Diego
California State University, East Bay
California State University, Monterey Bay
Sonoma State University
Barton
Belmont Abbey
Emmanuel
Erskine
King-Tennessee
Lees-McRae
Limestone
Mount Olive
North Greenville
Pfeiffer (Conference Carolinas is in D1 for Men's Volleyball since D2 does not sponsor the sport.)
CIAA plays D1 women's bowling.
East Coast Conference sponsors D1 women's bowling.
MIAA sponsors D1 women's bowling.
Alderson Broaddus
Augusta
Bowie State
Cal State Los Angeles
Carson–Newman
Central Missouri
Charleston (WV)
Chestnut Hill
Chowan
Coker
Colorado Mesa
Daemen
Eckerd
Elizabeth City State
Fayetteville State
Erskine
Felician
Francis Marion
Franklin Pierce
Gannon
Johnson C. Smith
Limestone
Livingstone
Maryville, MO.
Molloy
Mount Olive
Post
Queens (NC)
Roberts Wesleyan
Saint Augustine's
Shaw
Spring Hill
Texas A&M-Kingsville
Ursuline
Virginia State
Virginia Union
Wilmington
Winona State

Adrian
Alma
Babson
Bowdoin
Brandeis
Caltech
Castleton State
CCNY
Cortland State
Elmhurst
Franklin & Marshall
Hamline
Ithaca
Massachusetts Maritime
Medaille
Nebraska Wesleyan
New Jersey City
NYU
Penn State Altoona
RPI
Rhode Island College
Rose–Hulman
Tufts
Vassar
Wellesley
Wilson (PA)
Wisconsin–Eau Claire
Wisconsin–La Crosse
Wisconsin–Oshkosh
Wisconsin–Stout
Wisconsin–Whitewater






Yeah, we have a lot of D2 and D3 schools for one sport or more at D1. This does not count the community colleges that compete in College Rodeo and some other sports, and some NAIA schools as well.
wtf is wrong with you?

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