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(04-10-2017 01:50 PM)The Cutter of Bish Wrote:  
(04-10-2017 01:45 PM)megadrone Wrote:  For NJ:

1. Rutgers. Then a far drop to #2
2. Princeton -- Probably have a higher endowment than Seton Hall, Palmer is a relatively new stadium, comparable to the rest of the Ivy League. Princeton owns their facilities, where Seton Hall may not (not sure based on web site description). Purely in terms of resources may come in ahead of Seton Hall. Princeton also offers a lot of men's sports.
3. Seton Hall. Don't have the expenditures for football, don't have OC Arena for basketball (probably a blessing and a curse), I think their baseball field belongs to Essex County (not sure) not sure how their fan support rates within the Big East but they are committed to Men's basketball and once again in a conference with like-minded schools. New film and locker room facilities. Not a lot of room for expansion on campus
4 & 5. Monmouth/NJIT. New On campus arena at NJIT.

The other state schools are all division III as well as any of the other private schools in NJ.

I think Monmouth is a distinct fourth with FDU and NJIT fighting it out for fifth and sixth. Monmouth's growing. I don't know what their ceiling is...they'll outgrow MAAC, though.

I agree about Monmouth and to the OP I would put Seton Hall above Princeton. Yes, the Ivy school has the endowment but Seton Hall has the right conference affiliation. If a split ever occurs the BE will be invited to the P5 BBall party.
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UAT by a huge margin
Auburn easy number 2
JSU, Troy, USA fighting for the next level.
UAB, TUNA, AL A&M, AL St in the fourth flight
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(04-10-2017 01:45 PM)megadrone Wrote:  For NJ:

1. Rutgers. Then a far drop to #2
2. Princeton -- Probably have a higher endowment than Seton Hall, Palmer is a relatively new stadium, comparable to the rest of the Ivy League. Princeton owns their facilities, where Seton Hall may not (not sure based on web site description). Purely in terms of resources may come in ahead of Seton Hall. Princeton also offers a lot of men's sports.
3. Seton Hall. Don't have the expenditures for football, don't have OC Arena for basketball (probably a blessing and a curse), I think their baseball field belongs to Essex County (not sure) not sure how their fan support rates within the Big East but they are committed to Men's basketball and once again in a conference with like-minded schools. New film and locker room facilities. Not a lot of room for expansion on campus
4 & 5. Monmouth/NJIT. New On campus arena at NJIT.

The other state schools are all division III as well as any of the other private schools in NJ.

Missed Rider, St Peters and Fairleigh Dickinson.
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(04-09-2017 09:21 AM)dayooper Wrote:  Michigan. Since there are seven D1 schools in Michigan, I won't list any ties and try to give reasoning for each.

1. University of Michigan - Almost unlimited resources. Home football game revenues are gigantic and they have a huge donor base. Michigan football is taking a trip to Rome and a donor paid for the entire trip!

2. Michigan State - Right up there with Michigan, but they don't have the home football game revenues and the donor base. Otherwise, the Spartans are on par with Their neighbors to the south.

3. Western Michigan - The Broncos aren't close to the two Big10 teams, but have the most resources of the three MAC schools. Huge school that has a good hockey program and was willing to pay out to keep PJ Fleck as their football coach.

4. Central Michigan - The Chips are in a great place for what they have. Will always lag behind their rival WMU, but they do well for themselves.

5. Eastern Michigan - They have a really good debate team.

6. Oakland - Growing school (just opened a med school) in one of the most wealthy areas of Michigan (Oakland County), they have the resources to compete in the Horizon league.

7. Detroit Mercy - Like many small, private schools in the state, they are struggling a bit.

Can we just convince UD-M to drop down and Wayne State move up?
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(04-09-2017 07:03 PM)Stugray2 Wrote:  CA returns 79 schools in NCAA and NAIA. You can go through it yourself at https://ope.ed.gov/athletics/#/

You can compare 4 at a time and get the numbers. No single total on expenses. You have to add recruiting (M & W), operations (M & W), Team (M & W) and unspecified expenses to arrive at the complete total for a school.

"unlimited funding"
USC
Stanford
"nearly $100m funding"
UC-Los Angeles
UC-Berkeley (for Cal this $95m figure includes huge in stadium debt service, leading to a $9m shortfall)
"$50m funding range"
SDSU
"30-40m funding range"
CSU-Fresno
UC-Davis
SJSU
"20-25m range guessing the order, SCU probably first however"
CSU-Sacramento
Santa Clara
San Diego
San Francisco
"$13-19m range -- not in order"
Cal Poly San Luis Obispo
CSU-Long Beach
UC-Irvine
UC-Santa Barbara
CSU-Northridge
CSU-Fullerton
Pepperdine
Pacific
Loyola Marymount
UC-San Diego
CSU-Bakersfield

There are another 15+ D-II schools spending $3-6m range
CSU-LA, CSU-San Bernadino, HSU, SSU CSU-Monterey Bay, Cal Poly Pomona ... etc.

I don't see UC Riverside in this, but I think they're in the 13-19m range.
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(04-10-2017 08:07 PM)DavidSt Wrote:  We might look at Long Island U. and LIU-Post as one since LIU bought out CW-Post. Merging the two could bring up more sports, and LIU might be an option for football at D1 level playing at the Post campus.

These athletic departments aren't going to merge. They're *very* far away from each other. Long Island is, truly, long. Traffic is terrible and transit is limited.
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(04-09-2017 10:29 AM)Rube Dali Wrote:  Minnesota is very simple:

1. University of Minnesota

No need to do anyone else because none will ever move up to D-I.

No love for Minnesota Duluth who just won Frozen Four?
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(04-10-2017 10:14 PM)RutgersGuy Wrote:  
(04-10-2017 01:50 PM)The Cutter of Bish Wrote:  
(04-10-2017 01:45 PM)megadrone Wrote:  For NJ:

1. Rutgers. Then a far drop to #2
2. Princeton -- Probably have a higher endowment than Seton Hall, Palmer is a relatively new stadium, comparable to the rest of the Ivy League. Princeton owns their facilities, where Seton Hall may not (not sure based on web site description). Purely in terms of resources may come in ahead of Seton Hall. Princeton also offers a lot of men's sports.
3. Seton Hall. Don't have the expenditures for football, don't have OC Arena for basketball (probably a blessing and a curse), I think their baseball field belongs to Essex County (not sure) not sure how their fan support rates within the Big East but they are committed to Men's basketball and once again in a conference with like-minded schools. New film and locker room facilities. Not a lot of room for expansion on campus
4 & 5. Monmouth/NJIT. New On campus arena at NJIT.

The other state schools are all division III as well as any of the other private schools in NJ.

I think Monmouth is a distinct fourth with FDU and NJIT fighting it out for fifth and sixth. Monmouth's growing. I don't know what their ceiling is...they'll outgrow MAAC, though.

I agree about Monmouth and to the OP I would put Seton Hall above Princeton. Yes, the Ivy school has the endowment but Seton Hall has the right conference affiliation. If a split ever occurs the BE will be invited to the P5 BBall party.

I was looking at overall assets and how sustainable the athletic department was on the whole. Perception about Seton Hall is that it's all basketball -- also seemed like they were running on the cheap during the 2000's (again just my perception from things I recall).

I think Princeton's athletic department will go on no matter what happens with respect to the TV contract (if any) the Ivy League has. Different mindset I think. But they are well endowed enough to keep their current slate of sports.
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(04-10-2017 10:40 PM)NoDak Wrote:  
(04-10-2017 01:45 PM)megadrone Wrote:  For NJ:

1. Rutgers. Then a far drop to #2
2. Princeton -- Probably have a higher endowment than Seton Hall, Palmer is a relatively new stadium, comparable to the rest of the Ivy League. Princeton owns their facilities, where Seton Hall may not (not sure based on web site description). Purely in terms of resources may come in ahead of Seton Hall. Princeton also offers a lot of men's sports.
3. Seton Hall. Don't have the expenditures for football, don't have OC Arena for basketball (probably a blessing and a curse), I think their baseball field belongs to Essex County (not sure) not sure how their fan support rates within the Big East but they are committed to Men's basketball and once again in a conference with like-minded schools. New film and locker room facilities. Not a lot of room for expansion on campus
4 & 5. Monmouth/NJIT. New On campus arena at NJIT.

The other state schools are all division III as well as any of the other private schools in NJ.

Missed Rider, St Peters and Fairleigh Dickinson.

Those have been addressed in this thread.
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(04-09-2017 10:52 AM)mturn017 Wrote:  UVA
VT


ODU
VCU

JMU
Richmond

W&M
GMU

Something like that
You left a lot off.

Virginia
Virginia Tech

Old Dominion
VA Commonwealth
Liberty
James Madison
George Mason
Richmond
William & Mary

VMI
Radford
Longwood
Norfolk state
Hampton
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(04-11-2017 07:23 AM)ArQ Wrote:  
(04-09-2017 10:29 AM)Rube Dali Wrote:  Minnesota is very simple:

1. University of Minnesota

No need to do anyone else because none will ever move up to D-I.

No love for Minnesota Duluth who just won Frozen Four?

Denver 3 Minnesota Duluth 2.
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The University of Wyoming and then, ahh, umm. Hmm, no one else.
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Division 1:

1. Boise State University
2. University of Idaho
3. Idaho State University (may be in a dead heat with UI after the Vandals join them for all sports in the FCS BSC)

Division 2:

1. Northwest Nazarene University

NAIA:

1. College of Idaho
2. Lewis and Clark State College

NCJAA:

1. College of Southern Idaho
2. North Idaho College

Eastern Idaho Technical College: recently upgraded to a CC, no sports yet
Western Idaho College: new CC, no sports yet
BYU - Idaho: If they added varsity athletics, they would likely be #1 overall
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9 - Denver. Top-notch facilities for a non-football school. Magness Arena - at 7200 capacity - is a perfect size for hockey and basketball. New stadiums for soccer and lacrosse, and great facilities for the Olympic sports (volleyball, gymnastics, swimming, tennis, etc.). Plus, the school has deep pockets and a commitment to athletic success.

8 - Colorado. The Buffs have dramatically improved their facilities over the past few years, including a new performance center. This still lag behind most of their Pac-12 brethren. Folsom Field is one of the prettiest places to watch a football game.

6.5 (and closing fast) - Colorado State. Open an on-campus stadium - with a New Belgium Brewery viewing deck - this fall. That should get them a rating of 11. Moby Arena draws good crowds for the MWC, and can be a solid home court advantage.

6 - Air Force Academy. Football stadium is a bit dated, but they have quite a nice athletics complex. Intercollegiate athletics are completely interwoven into the USAFA experience.

3 - Northern Colorado. Relatively simple facilities, and not many deep pockets supporting the program.
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(04-09-2017 10:52 AM)mturn017 Wrote:  UVA
VT


ODU
VCU

JMU
Richmond

W&M
GMU

Something like that

Hmmm no LU listed
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Tier1-FBS: (# students)
Tennessee (28k)
Vanderbilt (7k)
Memphis (21k)
Middle Tennessee (23k)

Tier2-FCS:
Chattanooga (11k)
East Tennessee State (14k)
Austin Peay (10k)
Tennessee State (9k)
Tennessee Tech (10k)
Tennessee-Martin (7k)

Tier3-Private BB:
Belmont (8k)
Lipscomb (3k)
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Lower Divisions schools that have D1 programs people forget.

Johns Hopkins,
Caldwell-New Jersey
Hobart-New York
New Jersey City
Adelphi-New York
Kutztown
Lock Haven
Hartwick-New York
Columbus State
MIT
Ursinus
Bellarmine
North Georgia
Lock Haven
West Chester
Le Moyne
Dallas Baptist
Drury
Alaska-Anchorage
Penn. State-Behrend
Seattle Pacific
Concordia-Irvine
LIU-Post
Pace
New York Tech (private and large enrollment)
Quincy
SUNY-Oneonta
Hawaii-Hilo
American International
Bentley
Mercyhurst
Rochester Tech
Lindenwood-Missouri
Findlay
Wayne State-Michigan
Clarkson
St. Lawrence
Union-New York
Merrimack
Colorado College
Minn.-Duluth
St. Cloud State
UAH
Alaska
Bemidji State
Ferris State
Lake Superior State
Michigan Tech
Minnesota State-Mankato
Northern Michigan
St. Scholastica
Gogebic CC (skiing)
Gustavus Adolphus College
St. Olaf
Conn. College
Gannon
Monmouth, Illinois
Salem International
Washington & Jefferson
Carthage
Grove City
Macalester
Utica
McKendree
Springfield
Bates
Bowdoin
Colby
Colby-Sawyer
Middlebury
Plymouth State
Saint Michaels
U. Maine-Presque Isle
Williams
Bloomsburg
Clarion
Edinboro
Millersville
Azusa Pacific
Fresno Pacific
Bridgeport
Queens-New York
Saint Rose
Southern Conn. State
Baruch
Hunter
Lehman
New York Maritime
US Merchant Marine
Montclair State
Mount Saint Mary-New York
College of New Jersey
Ramapo
Rowan
Staten Island
William Patterson
John Jay
Coast Guard
University of the Science
Centenary-louisiana
Texas Women's
Lewis
Bryn Mawr College
Drew
Haverford
Mount Holyoke College
Smith
Stevens Tech
Swarthmore College
Yeshiva University
Colorado Mountain College
Westminster College (Utah)
Colorado Mines
Western State
Whitman College
University of California, San Diego
California State University, East Bay
California State University, Monterey Bay
Sonoma State University
Barton
Belmont Abbey
Emmanuel
Erskine
King-Tennessee
Lees-McRae
Limestone
Mount Olive
North Greenville
Pfeiffer (Conference Carolinas is in D1 for Men's Volleyball since D2 does not sponsor the sport.)
CIAA plays D1 women's bowling.
East Coast Conference sponsors D1 women's bowling.
MIAA sponsors D1 women's bowling.
Alderson Broaddus
Augusta
Bowie State
Cal State Los Angeles
Carson–Newman
Central Missouri
Charleston (WV)
Chestnut Hill
Chowan
Coker
Colorado Mesa
Daemen
Eckerd
Elizabeth City State
Fayetteville State
Erskine
Felician
Francis Marion
Franklin Pierce
Gannon
Johnson C. Smith
Limestone
Livingstone
Maryville, MO.
Molloy
Mount Olive
Post
Queens (NC)
Roberts Wesleyan
Saint Augustine's
Shaw
Spring Hill
Texas A&M-Kingsville
Ursuline
Virginia State
Virginia Union
Wilmington
Winona State

Adrian
Alma
Babson
Bowdoin
Brandeis
Caltech
Castleton State
CCNY
Cortland State
Elmhurst
Franklin & Marshall
Hamline
Ithaca
Massachusetts Maritime
Medaille
Nebraska Wesleyan
New Jersey City
NYU
Penn State Altoona
RPI
Rhode Island College
Rose–Hulman
Tufts
Vassar
Wellesley
Wilson (PA)
Wisconsin–Eau Claire
Wisconsin–La Crosse
Wisconsin–Oshkosh
Wisconsin–Stout
Wisconsin–Whitewater






Yeah, we have a lot of D2 and D3 schools for one sport or more at D1. This does not count the community colleges that compete in College Rodeo and some other sports, and some NAIA schools as well.
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Off the top of my head


Texas


aTm





TexasTech
Baylor
TCU
Houston



SMU
Rice

North Texas
UTEP
UTSA
TexasState

Sam Houston
Stephen F Austin
UT Arlington
UT Pan Am

aTm Corpus Christi
Lamar
Houston Baptist
Dallas Baptist

Prairie View
Texas Southern
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(04-11-2017 02:33 PM)loki_the_bubba Wrote:  Off the top of my head


Texas


aTm





TexasTech
Baylor
TCU
Houston



SMU
Rice

North Texas
UTEP
UTSA
TexasState

Sam Houston
Stephen F Austin
UT Arlington
UT Pan Am

aTm Corpus Christi
Lamar
Houston Baptist
Dallas Baptist

Prairie View
Texas Southern

UTRGV
Texas A&M-Kingsville (Beach Volleyball)
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(04-11-2017 02:33 PM)loki_the_bubba Wrote:  Off the top of my head


Texas


aTm





TexasTech
Baylor
TCU
Houston



SMU
Rice

North Texas
UTEP
UTSA
TexasState

Sam Houston
Stephen F Austin
UT Arlington
UT Pan Am

aTm Corpus Christi
Lamar
Houston Baptist
Dallas Baptist

Prairie View
Texas Southern

UTRGV
Texas A&M-Kingsville (Beach Volleyball)

What I listed as UT Pan Am is now UTRGV.
aTm Kingsville is a D2 school.
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