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RE: Rank Division I programs in your state in terms of resources
Purely by total expenditure reported to the DOE, New York State looks like this:

Syracuse University
St John's University
University at Buffalo
Fordham University
Columbia University
Cornell University
Colgate University
Stony Brook University
Hofstra University
University at Albany
LIU Brooklyn
Marist College
Binghamton University
Manhattan College
Wagner College
Siena College
Canisius College
Iona College
St Bonaventure University
Niagara University
St Francis College

But if you go by sport, here are the top 10 spenders in men's basketball:

Syracuse University (ACC)
St John's University (Big East)
Fordham University (A-10)
Siena College (MAAC)
St Bonaventure University (A-10)
Hofstra University (CAA)
Stony Brook University (Am East)
Iona College (MAAC)
Manhattan College (MAAC)
University at Buffalo (MAC)

And only 10 of these schools play football, so here are those team expenses:

Syracuse University (ACC)
University at Buffalo (MAC)
Fordham University (Patriot)
Colgate University (Patriot)
Stony Brook University (Colonial)
University at Albany (Colonial)
Columbia University (Ivy)
Wagner College (NEC)
Cornell University (Ivy)
Marist College (Pioneer)
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(04-10-2017 08:37 AM)Gamecock Wrote:  Hard to argue with any of this, although I'd probably move SC State up to 9 or 10 because of their profile and football success.

Yep. Probably a decade ago SC State is #7 or #8. Another problem is that they basically gave up their presence in the Charleston area. They played a basketball game at CofC about 3 seasons ago, but haven't played here in football in about a decade. They don't broadcast games on radio here in Charleston any more either.

Here in the Charleston area it is split between Carolina/Clemson, then a bunch of mostly older Citadel fans spread around, CofC fans mostly inside of I-526, then CSU and SC State.
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(04-10-2017 08:44 AM)Lenvillecards Wrote:  
(04-09-2017 04:24 PM)Captain Bearcat Wrote:  
(04-09-2017 10:39 AM)Lenvillecards Wrote:  Kentucky would have to be a 10 due to fan support.

Louisville would be a 9.

WKU around a 5.

Morehead around a 3.

Murray & EKU about a 2 or 2.5, not far behind Morehead.

I'm guessing you skipped NKU because you consider them an Ohio team? 05-nono Ok, I'll include them in Ohio

10 - Ohio State - Probably tied for #1 in the country with Texas and Michigan

8 - Cincinnati - compared to P5s in similar size regions (like Iowa, Oregon, and West Virginia), large fan base when their winning, but a smaller core of die-hards. Institutional commitment to football and basketball.

6 - Dayton - possibly the biggest basketball-only fanbase in the country
6 - Xavier - Big East money and more luxury boxes, but smaller fanbase than Dayton
(note -for basketball, Dayton and Xavier have almost equal resources to Cincinnati)

5 - Ohio
5 - Toledo
4.5 - Akron
4.5 - Kent
4.5 - Miami - they used to be tied with Xavier, but they've really fallen off the map
4 - Bowling Green
4 - Northern Kentucky - easily the best arena of the Horizon schools
4 - Youngstown State - the Tressel machine has given them a fair amount of resources for athletics.
3 - Cleveland State
2 - Wright State

NKU is a Kentucky team, I would put them in there with Murray, Morehead & EKU.

I was thinking NKU was a clear step ahead of Morehead and EKU. Their arena and location gives them the type of resources that Morehead can't hope to match. (I don't know much about Murray State, other than Mick Cronin was their head coach for 3 years).
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(04-10-2017 10:02 AM)sctvman Wrote:  
(04-10-2017 08:37 AM)Gamecock Wrote:  Hard to argue with any of this, although I'd probably move SC State up to 9 or 10 because of their profile and football success.

Yep. Probably a decade ago SC State is #7 or #8. Another problem is that they basically gave up their presence in the Charleston area. They played a basketball game at CofC about 3 seasons ago, but haven't played here in football in about a decade. They don't broadcast games on radio here in Charleston any more either.

Here in the Charleston area it is split between Carolina/Clemson, then a bunch of mostly older Citadel fans spread around, CofC fans mostly inside of I-526, then CSU and SC State.

Pretty sure I read that they were starting a home and home with Chuck South this year.
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1. Illinois and Northwestern

2. NIU and ISU

3. Everyone else but not really all that far below NIU and ISU. The spread is between UI/NW and the rest of State of Illinois D1.
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For NJ:

1. Rutgers. Then a far drop to #2
2. Princeton -- Probably have a higher endowment than Seton Hall, Palmer is a relatively new stadium, comparable to the rest of the Ivy League. Princeton owns their facilities, where Seton Hall may not (not sure based on web site description). Purely in terms of resources may come in ahead of Seton Hall. Princeton also offers a lot of men's sports.
3. Seton Hall. Don't have the expenditures for football, don't have OC Arena for basketball (probably a blessing and a curse), I think their baseball field belongs to Essex County (not sure) not sure how their fan support rates within the Big East but they are committed to Men's basketball and once again in a conference with like-minded schools. New film and locker room facilities. Not a lot of room for expansion on campus
4 & 5. Monmouth/NJIT. New On campus arena at NJIT.

The other state schools are all division III as well as any of the other private schools in NJ.
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(04-10-2017 01:45 PM)megadrone Wrote:  For NJ:

1. Rutgers. Then a far drop to #2
2. Princeton -- Probably have a higher endowment than Seton Hall, Palmer is a relatively new stadium, comparable to the rest of the Ivy League. Princeton owns their facilities, where Seton Hall may not (not sure based on web site description). Purely in terms of resources may come in ahead of Seton Hall. Princeton also offers a lot of men's sports.
3. Seton Hall. Don't have the expenditures for football, don't have OC Arena for basketball (probably a blessing and a curse), I think their baseball field belongs to Essex County (not sure) not sure how their fan support rates within the Big East but they are committed to Men's basketball and once again in a conference with like-minded schools. New film and locker room facilities. Not a lot of room for expansion on campus
4 & 5. Monmouth/NJIT. New On campus arena at NJIT.

The other state schools are all division III as well as any of the other private schools in NJ.

I think Monmouth is a distinct fourth with FDU and NJIT fighting it out for fifth and sixth. Monmouth's growing. I don't know what their ceiling is...they'll outgrow MAAC, though.
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(04-10-2017 01:50 PM)The Cutter of Bish Wrote:  
(04-10-2017 01:45 PM)megadrone Wrote:  For NJ:

1. Rutgers. Then a far drop to #2
2. Princeton -- Probably have a higher endowment than Seton Hall, Palmer is a relatively new stadium, comparable to the rest of the Ivy League. Princeton owns their facilities, where Seton Hall may not (not sure based on web site description). Purely in terms of resources may come in ahead of Seton Hall. Princeton also offers a lot of men's sports.
3. Seton Hall. Don't have the expenditures for football, don't have OC Arena for basketball (probably a blessing and a curse), I think their baseball field belongs to Essex County (not sure) not sure how their fan support rates within the Big East but they are committed to Men's basketball and once again in a conference with like-minded schools. New film and locker room facilities. Not a lot of room for expansion on campus
4 & 5. Monmouth/NJIT. New On campus arena at NJIT.

The other state schools are all division III as well as any of the other private schools in NJ.

I think Monmouth is a distinct fourth with FDU and NJIT fighting it out for fifth and sixth. Monmouth's growing. I don't know what their ceiling is...they'll outgrow MAAC, though.

The remaining NJ D-I schools are Rider and St. Peter's. With their CIT championship, I'd put SP in the 7-slot over Rider.
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(04-10-2017 09:06 AM)CenterSquarEd Wrote:  Purely by total expenditure reported to the DOE, New York State looks like this:

Syracuse University
St John's University
University at Buffalo
Fordham University
Columbia University
Cornell University
Colgate University
Stony Brook University
Hofstra University
University at Albany
LIU Brooklyn
Marist College
Binghamton University
Manhattan College
Wagner College
Siena College
Canisius College
Iona College
St Bonaventure University
Niagara University
St Francis College

But if you go by sport, here are the top 10 spenders in men's basketball:

Syracuse University (ACC)
St John's University (Big East)
Fordham University (A-10)
Siena College (MAAC)
St Bonaventure University (A-10)
Hofstra University (CAA)
Stony Brook University (Am East)
Iona College (MAAC)
Manhattan College (MAAC)
University at Buffalo (MAC)

And only 10 of these schools play football, so here are those team expenses:

Syracuse University (ACC)
University at Buffalo (MAC)
Fordham University (Patriot)
Colgate University (Patriot)
Stony Brook University (Colonial)
University at Albany (Colonial)
Columbia University (Ivy)
Wagner College (NEC)
Cornell University (Ivy)
Marist College (Pioneer)

You may have forgotten about Army. Unless you purposefully left them out because they are a military academy, but they would go below SU in fb and ahead of UB.
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(04-10-2017 01:58 PM)NJMark Wrote:  
(04-10-2017 01:50 PM)The Cutter of Bish Wrote:  
(04-10-2017 01:45 PM)megadrone Wrote:  For NJ:

1. Rutgers. Then a far drop to #2
2. Princeton -- Probably have a higher endowment than Seton Hall, Palmer is a relatively new stadium, comparable to the rest of the Ivy League. Princeton owns their facilities, where Seton Hall may not (not sure based on web site description). Purely in terms of resources may come in ahead of Seton Hall. Princeton also offers a lot of men's sports.
3. Seton Hall. Don't have the expenditures for football, don't have OC Arena for basketball (probably a blessing and a curse), I think their baseball field belongs to Essex County (not sure) not sure how their fan support rates within the Big East but they are committed to Men's basketball and once again in a conference with like-minded schools. New film and locker room facilities. Not a lot of room for expansion on campus
4 & 5. Monmouth/NJIT. New On campus arena at NJIT.

The other state schools are all division III as well as any of the other private schools in NJ.

I think Monmouth is a distinct fourth with FDU and NJIT fighting it out for fifth and sixth. Monmouth's growing. I don't know what their ceiling is...they'll outgrow MAAC, though.

The remaining NJ D-I schools are Rider and St. Peter's. With their CIT championship, I'd put SP in the 7-slot over Rider.

It goes to show how invisible the rest of the NJ schools are after Seton Hall.
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(04-10-2017 01:45 PM)megadrone Wrote:  For NJ:

1. Rutgers. Then a far drop to #2
2. Princeton -- Probably have a higher endowment than Seton Hall, Palmer is a relatively new stadium, comparable to the rest of the Ivy League. Princeton owns their facilities, where Seton Hall may not (not sure based on web site description). Purely in terms of resources may come in ahead of Seton Hall. Princeton also offers a lot of men's sports.
3. Seton Hall. Don't have the expenditures for football, don't have OC Arena for basketball (probably a blessing and a curse), I think their baseball field belongs to Essex County (not sure) not sure how their fan support rates within the Big East but they are committed to Men's basketball and once again in a conference with like-minded schools. New film and locker room facilities. Not a lot of room for expansion on campus
4 & 5. Monmouth/NJIT. New On campus arena at NJIT.

The other state schools are all division III as well as any of the other private schools in NJ.

Bloomfield, Caldwell, Felician and Georgian Court are D2 New Jersey schools.
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For Florida, I'd say:

10 -tied - Florida and Florida State: Florida has a slight edge in finances and alumni, while Florida State has the edge in facilities. Football-wise, both are about equal in terms of success and tradition. UF has an edge in basketball thanks to 2 national championships. FSU has a good history as well, with a national championship appearance and ACC title. Both schools also have a good history in baseball and have been to the College World Series several times (but neither has won it all). FSU is the only team in college baseball to never had a losing season and has been to 40+ straight postseasons, which gives them the edge. Both have very strong support throughout the state and southeast.

8 - Miami: Despite their attendance woes, Miami still has a very strong core fan base in South Florida as well as rabid followers, it seems randomly across the state. Their level of physical support, both in terms of facilities and butts in the seats, are nowhere near UF and FSU, but their strong financial resources and history still keep them near the top. Football of course used to be dominant, but has been OK for several years now. Basketball has really grown and become an annual NCAA tournament contender, while the baseball team is by far the most successful in the state.

7 - tied - South Florida and Central Florida: USF used to have an edge, mostly due to their strong research and funding/recognition that comes from that. UCF has really closed the gap in the past 10yrs though, and both are becoming increasingly nationally known. Both have had up and down yrs in football, basketball, and baseball; but are generally good. It's taken a while, but fan support has grown significantly for both.

4.5 - tied - FIU and FAU: Not much difference between both. Still growing in terms of fanbase and community support. Both have been long-time commuter schools, but are just starting to grow out of that. There's still a ways to go though, and they haven't had near the level of athletic success that the teams above them have had. There's a good amount of potential though, and they're slowly inching their way up the list.

4 - FGCU: Recent success in basketball has inched FGCU up the list, but their status as a mostly commuter school and lack of football still holds them up from rising higher. Growing baseball tradition as well, just recently appeared in the top 25.

3.5 -tied - FAMU and UNF: Two schools, two athletic departments, both tied, but for completely different reasons. First off, FAMU has the most history of any FCS school in the state. They have a national championship in football and an excellent history in the sport. They annually draw in the top 10 of FCS attendance nationally, even with recent poor seasons. They've made the NCAA tournament in basketball, although most years they're terrible. Baseball is also improving significantly and they won the MEAC last year and made the postseason. What really keeps them at this spot is their fan support, which very may well be the 3rd greatest in the state behind FSU and UF. What absolutely kills them though are their facilities and finances, both of which are beyond horribly terrible and each stem from TERRIBLE administrative mismanagement. They do have an excellent AD right now who is working to change things, but it's going to take a long time for things to completely turn around in those departments.

North Florida on the other hand has good facilities and decent funding, but is still a commuter school with little history in D1. Their baseball program is solid, but basketball is still growing. Should UNF ever add football (as they should, they already have a stadium that would work), they'd quickly jump up this list.

3 - tied - JU and Bethune-Cookman: Jacksonville University is a small private school in it's namesake city. They have a small FCS team with some decent history in the Pioneer League. The basketball team actually was the first Florida team to play in the national championship, losing to UCLA, believe it or not. Baseball also has a very strong history of success, making regionals and even hosting in the past. What keeps them so far down is their small size, and thus small fan support and alumni base. Bethune-Cookman on the other hand, is very similar to FAMU but without quite the football history. They have a good fan base, but not quite as large as FAMU. No real basketball history, but a very strong baseball tradition.

2.5 - Stetson: Some good baseball history, not much in the way of basketball. Football actually has a very deep and rich history, but was absent for so long, much of that memory died off before the program relaunched. Football 2.0 hasn't been nearly as successful, but is still relatively new and growing. There is a good alumni base, but still small.
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SMU
TCU

The rest of Texas.

Wait did you mean resources of the school..not the students? Nevermind.
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(04-10-2017 02:04 PM)The Cutter of Bish Wrote:  
(04-10-2017 01:58 PM)NJMark Wrote:  
(04-10-2017 01:50 PM)The Cutter of Bish Wrote:  
(04-10-2017 01:45 PM)megadrone Wrote:  For NJ:

1. Rutgers. Then a far drop to #2
2. Princeton -- Probably have a higher endowment than Seton Hall, Palmer is a relatively new stadium, comparable to the rest of the Ivy League. Princeton owns their facilities, where Seton Hall may not (not sure based on web site description). Purely in terms of resources may come in ahead of Seton Hall. Princeton also offers a lot of men's sports.
3. Seton Hall. Don't have the expenditures for football, don't have OC Arena for basketball (probably a blessing and a curse), I think their baseball field belongs to Essex County (not sure) not sure how their fan support rates within the Big East but they are committed to Men's basketball and once again in a conference with like-minded schools. New film and locker room facilities. Not a lot of room for expansion on campus
4 & 5. Monmouth/NJIT. New On campus arena at NJIT.

The other state schools are all division III as well as any of the other private schools in NJ.

I think Monmouth is a distinct fourth with FDU and NJIT fighting it out for fifth and sixth. Monmouth's growing. I don't know what their ceiling is...they'll outgrow MAAC, though.

The remaining NJ D-I schools are Rider and St. Peter's. With their CIT championship, I'd put SP in the 7-slot over Rider.

It goes to show how invisible the rest of the NJ schools are after Seton Hall.

Yeah and the Teaneck campus of Fairleigh is practically down the street from me!
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The scale doesn't really apply to the state of Alabama.

bammer not only has the SEC funds, their own merchandising and the Crimson Tide Foundation (of unknown value - it refuses to file taxes, because it's a non-profit, and refuses to file financials, because it's not a non-profit), they have complete control of state government via The Machine plus control of the state's largest budget via the self-perpetuating Board of Trustees (which is under no oversight, appoints its own members, and ignores the open-meetings restrictions of the Code of Alabama; the Board in turn is controlled by the members of its Athletics committee). They could likely raise over 100,000 volunteers for willing human sacrifice should Saban require it for his own godhood (none of whom actually attended the University of Alabama-Tuscaloosa). And should anyone become a liability, well, google the "accidental" death of Logan Young.

Auburn has actually done extremely well in terms of resourcing, having not only SEC funds but what's usually top-five merchandising revenue. So they would rate a 10, vs. about 355 for bammer.

UAB has surged in donations in the past two years, since the bammer assault on the university's very existence as well as its athletic department, but still is far behind the SEC programs. The drive to keep Birmingham's money at home has had a great deal of success, and the city is firmly behind the athletic department; the county just last week received legal permission to participate in building a new stadium for the Blazers.
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I have an easy state.

10. Oregon. Uncle Phil has pretty much set them up for longterm success. New basketball arena, their football performance center is as good as it comes, and the current Hayward Field renovation will pretty much cement its place as the cathedral of US Track and Field. Plus, Animal House was largely filmed there.

8. Oregon State. Baseball field is gorgeous, Gill Coliseum is an underrated historic arena. Reser Stadium is oddly half-finished, but the school just finished an impressive (not quite Duck level) sports training facility.

4. Portland. Beautiful location on the bluff overlooking downtown. Top 10 in soccer attendance most years, and a team with great history. Baseball stadium is a decent place for their constant beat downs, and the mini-dome rundown basketball arena attracts more moss than fans (except when the Zags are in town).

3. Portland State. New basketball arena will have a full glass wall behind one basket, overlooking a downtown park. Football shares a beautiful stadium with Portland Timbers soccer. Too hemmed in by the city to have much else.

1. Lewis and Clark College. Place holder ranking for when David St. brings them up as a Pac-12 expansion candidate.
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(04-10-2017 04:29 PM)geef Wrote:  I have an easy state.

10. Oregon. Uncle Phil has pretty much set them up for longterm success. New basketball arena, their football performance center is as good as it comes, and the current Hayward Field renovation will pretty much cement its place as the cathedral of US Track and Field. Plus, Animal House was largely filmed there.

8. Oregon State. Baseball field is gorgeous, Gill Coliseum is an underrated historic arena. Reser Stadium is oddly half-finished, but the school just finished an impressive (not quite Duck level) sports training facility.

4. Portland. Beautiful location on the bluff overlooking downtown. Top 10 in soccer attendance most years, and a team with great history. Baseball stadium is a decent place for their constant beat downs, and the mini-dome rundown basketball arena attracts more moss than fans (except when the Zags are in town).

3. Portland State. New basketball arena will have a full glass wall behind one basket, overlooking a downtown park. Football shares a beautiful stadium with Portland Timbers soccer. Too hemmed in by the city to have much else.

1. Lewis and Clark College. Place holder ranking for when David St. brings them up as a Pac-12 expansion candidate.

Louisiana State

Tulane
Louisiana
Louisiana Tech

Louisiana Monroe
Southern
New Orleans
McNeese State
Southeastern Louisiana
Northwestern Louisiana
Nichols State
Grambling

Centenary
Loyola
Louisiana College
Xavier
Dillard
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(04-10-2017 04:15 PM)Carolina Stang Wrote:  SMU
TCU

The rest of Texas.

Wait did you mean resources of the school..not the students? Nevermind.

Well played Pony, well played.
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Future D1 schools that could fit somewhere.

Lindenwood in Mo. They seem to be spending a lot of money for their athletics.
Post University A for profit school in Conn. that have spent a lot of money on sports. They added Sprint football which competes against Army and Navy.
Southern New Hampshire Might be spending more money right now than New Hampshire for a private school. They do have a large student body population.
Bellarmine is spending a lot of money for athletics right now. They have 20 sports and said they are looking to add football and women's LAX. This Kentucky school also took in the sports after Saint Catherine's in Kentucky shut their doors.
We might look at Long Island U. and LIU-Post as one since LIU bought out CW-Post. Merging the two could bring up more sports, and LIU might be an option for football at D1 level playing at the Post campus.
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Oklahoma (where I grew up):
This one is easy:
Oklahoma
Oklahoma State
Tulsa
Oral Roberts

Texas (where I now live):
It's perhaps easiest to break them down in groups instead of ranking them individually. They break down somewhat neatly in groups of flagship/other P5/AAC/CUSA-Sun Belt/FCS.

Football is huge in Texas. It's hard to be on the radar as a university here without a football team, even if it's a bad team or one that doesn't generate much revenue.

Texas (mega-flagship)
Texas A&M (mega-flagship)

Texas Tech
Baylor
TCU

Houston
SMU

Rice
UT-San Antonio
UTEP
Texas State
North Texas

UT-Arlington (no football, but new arena and recent hoops success. Moved to Sun Belt from Southland)

Sam Houston State
Stephen F. Austin
Lamar
Incarnate Word
Houston Baptist
Abilene Christian
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UT-Rio Grande Valley (no football)
Texas Southern
Prairie View A&M
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