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Gold Award
University of North Carolina - Chapel Hill
North Carolina State University
Duke University

Silver Award
Wake Forest University
East Carolina University
Appalachian State University

Bronze Award
University of North Carolina - Charlotte
Davidson College
Elon University
University of North Carolina - Greensboro
University of North Carolina - Wilmington

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Campbell University
Gardner-Webb University
High Point University
North Carolina A&T
North Carolina Central University
University of North Carolina - Asheville
Western Carolina University
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(04-09-2017 08:25 PM)Love and Honor Wrote:  For my home state of Missouri, I don't know Florida well enough to make an accurate assumption.

Mizzou


Missouri State
SLU

UMKC
SEMO

Lindenwood
Central Missouri
NW Missouri State
Everyone else

Actually the order is this (from Department of Education Equity in Athletics report database)

1. Missouri



2. Saint Louis (about $2m more spent than Missouri St)
3. Lindenwood (wow! they spent $20m in D-II, do have 7,226 students)
4. Missouri State (about $6m more spent than UMKC, $4m of that is FB related)

5. Missouri-Kansas City
6. Central Missouri
// small gap
7. Northwest Missouri State

8. Missouri-St. Louis
9. Missouri Southern State
10. Truman State
11. Northwest Missouri State

others
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(04-09-2017 10:14 PM)Stugray2 Wrote:  
(04-09-2017 08:25 PM)Love and Honor Wrote:  For my home state of Missouri, I don't know Florida well enough to make an accurate assumption.

Mizzou


Missouri State
SLU

UMKC
SEMO

Lindenwood
Central Missouri
NW Missouri State
Everyone else

Actually the order is this (from Department of Education Equity in Athletics report database)

1. Missouri



2. Saint Louis (about $2m more spent than Missouri St)
3. Lindenwood (wow! they spent $20m in D-II, do have 7,226 students)
4. Missouri State (about $6m more spent than UMKC, $4m of that is FB related)

5. Missouri-Kansas City
6. Central Missouri
// small gap
7. Northwest Missouri State

8. Missouri-St. Louis
9. Missouri Southern State
10. Truman State
11. Northwest Missouri State

others

Actually you are wrong like normal.
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Look at the DoE numbers. They don't lie. Reporting is required by law.
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(04-09-2017 10:32 PM)Stugray2 Wrote:  Look at the DoE numbers. They don't lie. Reporting is required by law.

http://www.news-leader.com/story/news/20.../81608818/
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Ohio

1. Ohio State- Drive across the state in the fall and you will see far more Buckeye flags than Browns or Bengals put together (at least with the drives I have taken).
2. Cincinnati- I have Bearcats fans who have worried for the future with conference realignment, but I do not worry for them. While the situation sucks, UC has established itself at a level they aren't going back from.

After this it gets a little tough as you have to decide how to rank basketball vs. football. Xavier and Dayton have good basketball followings without football while some of the top MAC schools have decent football followings.

3. Xavier: Xavier is a legitimate power in basketball. They have a good conference situation, and they have good following in Cincinnati.

4. Toledo: The Rockets has a somewhat weird space. They are in a city that is decent size (not huge), but which is evenly split among Ohio State and Michigan fans (close to Michigan border with UM much closer than OSU). They are the biggest Ohio MAC city though and that does seem to help them some with recruiting and the like.

5. Ohio University: Their name helps as going to Ohio sounds bigger than saying a smaller Ohio city. They have been gradually growing as a MAC power for years in my view.

6. Dayton: I love the Flyers, but think lack of football keeps them down a little. It's not too far, but they don't have the profile of Xavier nationally or the strong UC/XU type rivalry to generate as much interest beyond their area. That said, Dayton is passionate for them. I have an uncle who has given everyone he knows about Flyer gear.

7. Miami: They have fallen, but I think a lot of it is temporary. They have established themselves as kind of elite/artsy (or at least that is my view). That doesn't always mean positive things for sports, but it is specific identity which does set them apart. Their history also helps (even still hold the edge over UC in football, but that will reverse soon enough).

8. Bowling Green: Very nice campus. Have been discussed in BCS races when were undefeated late.

9. Youngstown State: They have Jim Tressel as president and Bo Pelini as a football coach and stand a chance at winning national champions at their level. I actually hear more about them than the MAC teams in real life in Columbus.

10. Akron: Decent size city. One of the better nicknames (Zips).

11. Kent State: Smaller and close to Akron hurt, but it is a bit more of a smaller college feel too.
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(04-09-2017 10:56 PM)MissouriStateBears Wrote:  
(04-09-2017 10:32 PM)Stugray2 Wrote:  Look at the DoE numbers. They don't lie. Reporting is required by law.

http://www.news-leader.com/story/news/20.../81608818/

So you are saying they lied to the Department of Education? That would be major illegal

Actually, I think this means we need to examine everyone next year with the new numbers. MSU is still in the same pack, but we need to see how SLU's numbers adjust as well.

This BTW is a cute way to hide the true cost of Football.
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You got to wonder which D2 schools are spending at the D1 levels? Those schools are the ones that points to them making a move to D1.
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I'll do the states of Alabama & Oregon:


State of Alabama:

10: 'Bama- easily has the most resources in the state by far and very widespread support.

8/9: Auburn- The loveliest village on the Plains is a big boy (P5), but to say they are equal with 'Bama is a bit of a stretch. Auburn seems to lack the statewide support that 'Bama has (it seems limited to southeast Alabama & Birmingham) & their stadium is somewhat smaller too. (87,000 approx vs 104,000 approx). Surprisingly, Auburn has a substantial fanbase in western Georgia. Basically, Auburn is a poor man's UGa, IMO.




4/5: Troy- very solid support in southeastern Alabama. Troy has a fanbase stretching from parts of Montgomery all the way south to Dothan. still, doesn't have statewide support though, and is vastly outnumbered by 'Bama & Auburn fans.
4/5 : South Alabama- see Troy, but the fanbase is located more in the Mobile area.
4/5: UAB- although fanbase is limited to B'ham for the most part, still UAB does make its presence known.
4: JSU-decent resources for an FCS program, but small fanbase in a small town.
4: Alabama A&M- decent resources and has the Magic City Classic with Alabama State in B'ham.
4: Alabama State- see Alabama A&M but add the Turkey Day Classic with Tuskegee too.
4: UNA- see JSU, but they are moving up from Div 2
3: Samford: private Southern Baptist school in the B'ham area, but chooses to be frugal with their money, ala' UPenn.


State of Oregon:

10: U of Oregon- Phil Knight and Nike already added to a solid Ducks legacy. Plus, U of O has very little competition from the NFL. It's kinda surprising Oregon hasn't expanded Autzen yet, IMO. Huge statewide fanbase.

8: Oregon State- the Beavers have been the underdog to the Ducks for a long time, but they are in the P5, and they have the Reser family helping them out some. Still, the Beavers support is kinda limited to swath of Oregon stretching from Corvallis to Portland.


4: U of Portland: does surprisingly well for themselves being in the WCC.
3/4: Portland State: probably has a bigger fanbase in the Rose City (Portland), but lacks the resources that U of Portland has, IMO.
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(04-09-2017 11:20 PM)Stugray2 Wrote:  This BTW is a cute way to hide the true cost of Football.

Facilities are the biggest con schools pull. Share its use, and watch it come off the books.

I see schools offering Masters degrees in higher education administration. I wonder if there's coursework in there for budgeting, accounting, and reporting. Probably some really shady or creative content put out there.
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(04-09-2017 04:24 PM)Captain Bearcat Wrote:  
(04-09-2017 10:39 AM)Lenvillecards Wrote:  Kentucky would have to be a 10 due to fan support.

Louisville would be a 9.

WKU around a 5.

Morehead around a 3.

Murray & EKU about a 2 or 2.5, not far behind Morehead.

I'm guessing you skipped NKU because you consider them an Ohio team? 05-nono Ok, I'll include them in Ohio

10 - Ohio State - Probably tied for #1 in the country with Texas and Michigan

8 - Cincinnati - compared to P5s in similar size regions (like Iowa, Oregon, and West Virginia), large fan base when their winning, but a smaller core of die-hards. Institutional commitment to football and basketball.

6 - Dayton - possibly the biggest basketball-only fanbase in the country
6 - Xavier - Big East money and more luxury boxes, but smaller fanbase than Dayton
(note -for basketball, Dayton and Xavier have almost equal resources to Cincinnati)

5 - Ohio
5 - Toledo
4.5 - Akron
4.5 - Kent
4.5 - Miami - they used to be tied with Xavier, but they've really fallen off the map
4 - Bowling Green
4 - Northern Kentucky - easily the best arena of the Horizon schools
4 - Youngstown State - the Tressel machine has given them a fair amount of resources for athletics.
3 - Cleveland State
2 - Wright State

I mostly agree with this, but would put Cleveland State at a 2 and Wright State at 0.5, 0 if athletics end up getting cancelled, 1 otherwise. They have a big arena, but it's the non-basketball events that people show up for.
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1. Maryland - Probably one of the biggest disparities in resources between a state's flagship and its other institutions in the country.

2. Navy - Obviously not a resource issue when it comes to athletics but rather the requirements that go along with being at the Academy.

3. Loyola - Large endowment, but the shift from the peer institutions of NE/Mid-Atlantic Catholic schools in MAAC to the academic-focused schools of the Patriot. Great lacrosse program but minimal fan support in basketball.

4. Towson - Emerging FCS level contender, both revenue sports have turned around with the move to the Colonial. Brand new basketball arena. Needs to grow its fan support in football, but will be tough with the area's love of the Ravens.

5. UMBC - More focused on growing its academic profile than athletics success. Some lacrosse success like many Maryland schools, but little else of note.

6. Mt St Mary's - Small private school and relatively remote from the larger metro areas. Decent basketball tradition for its level.

7. Morgan State - FCS football and the highest endowment of the three HBCUs, but limited athletics success.

8. Coppin State - Some basketball tradition from the 90s and 00s, located in Baltimore with Morgan, limited athletics success.

9. UMES - Remote geographically with no recent history of athletics success. One of the least competitive schools in the MEAC.
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(04-10-2017 05:36 AM)dxdtdemon Wrote:  
(04-09-2017 04:24 PM)Captain Bearcat Wrote:  
(04-09-2017 10:39 AM)Lenvillecards Wrote:  Kentucky would have to be a 10 due to fan support.

Louisville would be a 9.

WKU around a 5.

Morehead around a 3.

Murray & EKU about a 2 or 2.5, not far behind Morehead.

I'm guessing you skipped NKU because you consider them an Ohio team? 05-nono Ok, I'll include them in Ohio

10 - Ohio State - Probably tied for #1 in the country with Texas and Michigan

8 - Cincinnati - compared to P5s in similar size regions (like Iowa, Oregon, and West Virginia), large fan base when their winning, but a smaller core of die-hards. Institutional commitment to football and basketball.

6 - Dayton - possibly the biggest basketball-only fanbase in the country
6 - Xavier - Big East money and more luxury boxes, but smaller fanbase than Dayton
(note -for basketball, Dayton and Xavier have almost equal resources to Cincinnati)

5 - Ohio
5 - Toledo
4.5 - Akron
4.5 - Kent
4.5 - Miami - they used to be tied with Xavier, but they've really fallen off the map
4 - Bowling Green
4 - Northern Kentucky - easily the best arena of the Horizon schools
4 - Youngstown State - the Tressel machine has given them a fair amount of resources for athletics.
3 - Cleveland State
2 - Wright State

I mostly agree with this, but would put Cleveland State at a 2 and Wright State at 0.5, 0 if athletics end up getting cancelled, 1 otherwise. They have a big arena, but it's the non-basketball events that people show up for.

I'd lower Akron and elevate Kent. Kent has very good Olympic sport program compared to Akron. Plus they more than twice as large of a school.

Wright State Has a very good baseball program but that is about it. It might as well be an OSU branch college. When my cousin was there in the early 90s there was some basketball support but that has eroded somewhat.
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(04-10-2017 06:45 AM)Go College Sports Wrote:  1. Maryland - Probably one of the biggest disparities in resources between a state's flagship and its other institutions in the country.

What? You're not going to put HOPKINS in there? The have 1 program in D1. Lots of resources, money, location and tradition...
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(04-10-2017 07:23 AM)TerpsNPhoenix Wrote:  
(04-10-2017 06:45 AM)Go College Sports Wrote:  1. Maryland - Probably one of the biggest disparities in resources between a state's flagship and its other institutions in the country.

What? You're not going to put HOPKINS in there? The have 1 program in D1. Lots of resources, money, location and tradition...

I would guess Minnesota would be the biggest disparity.
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(04-10-2017 12:17 AM)DavidSt Wrote:  You got to wonder which D2 schools are spending at the D1 levels? Those schools are the ones that points to them making a move to D1.

Do you ever listen to yourself talk?? Or maybe even read the thread topic before posting?
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(04-10-2017 08:08 AM)goofus Wrote:  
(04-10-2017 07:23 AM)TerpsNPhoenix Wrote:  
(04-10-2017 06:45 AM)Go College Sports Wrote:  1. Maryland - Probably one of the biggest disparities in resources between a state's flagship and its other institutions in the country.

What? You're not going to put HOPKINS in there? The have 1 program in D1. Lots of resources, money, location and tradition...

I would guess Minnesota would be the biggest disparity.

Darn right it is.
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8/9 - BC - ACC - Power conference member, I believe they just passed $200 Million in athletic facilities renovations

5 - UMass - A10 - Just completed new basketball and football facilities. With a huge football stadium issue.

4 - Harvard - Ivy - Probably more money that any university in the country, but doesn't use much of it for sports.

3 - Holy Cross - Patriot - In the process of a $100 million sports upgrade. Plenty of money. They de-emphasized sports in the 70's.

2 - UMass Lowell - America East - Elite level hockey recently, the rest of the sports are brand new to D1. Recently took over ownership of the Tsongas Arena for basketball/hockey. A great baseball facility shared with the Red Sox A ball team.
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(04-09-2017 10:08 AM)sctvman Wrote:  SC has 12 Division I programs, more than almost any state of our size (less than 5 million population). They are at varying rates of resources, but the big schools, of course are at the top.

1a. South Carolina (10)- SEC money has helped to make Carolina one of the fastest growing ADs in the country. Before the SEC (25 years ago), it was a school with no identity. Now, it is doing well in most sports, with the basketball success only helping.

1b. Clemson (10)- Basically no gap between Carolina and Clemson. Clemson's football facilities rival a couple of the NFL teams. Their football money allowed them to renovate their baseball stadium and basketball arena, and the school's prestige has only grown since Dabo came in.

Huge gap

3. Coastal Carolina (probably a 6): Coastal has become the #3 in the past few years, with the baseball national title, football going to Sun Belt, more media coverage, and the new basketball arena. As recently as the late 2000s, CCU was probably 6 or 7.

4. The Citadel (5): Citadel has a lot of resources for a FCS. Large football stadium, a league (the SoCon) which they can do very well in after schools like App and Georgia Southern left, lots of old money alums who spend a lot of money into the program.

5. Wofford (5): A school with a small enrollment that does very well. Has been very consistent in football and basketball the last 20 years, has Jerry Richardson (Panthers owner)'s backing, with a arena named after him, and Panthers training camp.

6. Furman (5): Another school with a lot of money headed to it. Has added lacrosse in the last few years, growing market, and many of the same resources as The Citadel (Furman's long-standing rival).

7. College of Charleston (5): Growing program. 2/3 female students, has no football team, but has grown in prestige with the new basketball arena, and their conference move has helped them recruit students throughout the Mid-Atlantic and Northeast.

4-7 is interchangeable. There is a gap though to the rest.

8. Winthrop (4): Basically a men's basketball school to most observers, but good in soccer and other sports. Stuck in the shadow of other Charlotte area schools. Sends out a lot of teachers.

9. Presbyterian (3.5): Small school in a small town (40 miles from Greenville, 60 from Columbia). Hasn't really had success in most sports since they moved to D1. Does have a pharmacy school and some well-to-do alums.

10. Charleston Southern (3): The third school in Charleston. Football has improved over the past few years, but basketball still plays in 900 seat gym. Just lost their head coach to a coordinator position at Coastal. Doesn't have a lot of resources, but have done pretty well with what they have.

11. USC-Upstate (2.5): Basically an outlier. Only SC school in A-Sun, and hasn't grown an identity since they joined D1 about a decade ago. Still treated as a "branch campus" by Columbia.

12. SC State (2): Has been a threat of closing at pretty much all times over the past decade. Came very close to happening, but school has stabilized over the past year. Football program does well, but basketball draws poor attendance, and has no baseball program.

Some of the D2s in SC actually do very well. Newberry, Francis Marion, and USC-Aiken would possibly be D1s in other states.

Hard to argue with any of this, although I'd probably move SC State up to 9 or 10 because of their profile and football success.
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(04-09-2017 04:24 PM)Captain Bearcat Wrote:  
(04-09-2017 10:39 AM)Lenvillecards Wrote:  Kentucky would have to be a 10 due to fan support.

Louisville would be a 9.

WKU around a 5.

Morehead around a 3.

Murray & EKU about a 2 or 2.5, not far behind Morehead.

I'm guessing you skipped NKU because you consider them an Ohio team? 05-nono Ok, I'll include them in Ohio

10 - Ohio State - Probably tied for #1 in the country with Texas and Michigan

8 - Cincinnati - compared to P5s in similar size regions (like Iowa, Oregon, and West Virginia), large fan base when their winning, but a smaller core of die-hards. Institutional commitment to football and basketball.

6 - Dayton - possibly the biggest basketball-only fanbase in the country
6 - Xavier - Big East money and more luxury boxes, but smaller fanbase than Dayton
(note -for basketball, Dayton and Xavier have almost equal resources to Cincinnati)

5 - Ohio
5 - Toledo
4.5 - Akron
4.5 - Kent
4.5 - Miami - they used to be tied with Xavier, but they've really fallen off the map
4 - Bowling Green
4 - Northern Kentucky - easily the best arena of the Horizon schools
4 - Youngstown State - the Tressel machine has given them a fair amount of resources for athletics.
3 - Cleveland State
2 - Wright State

NKU is a Kentucky team, I would put them in there with Murray, Morehead & EKU.
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