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RE: AAC- Big East challenge
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(04-27-2017 07:40 AM)GoldenWarrior11 Wrote:  I don't think there is any connection between UConn and VCU. UConn is a former and highly respected member of the Big East, with a connection to seven of the current schools. VCU has very little history with any Big East school.

Rutgers was added to the B1G with a terrible football and terrible basketball program. Colorado was added to the PAC-12 with a low football program. Syracuse was struggling when they were invited to the ACC. Realignment is bigger than any one sport. Institutional fit, which helps drive value, has been at the forefront of conferences adding schools.

Rutgers didn't deserve to get into the big ten....

We can agree to disagree. The institutional fit, the location/market, the academics and the substantial increase in value aided by added NJ/DC metro areas claim otherwise.

yeah, UConn to a point brings the new York market. They are a good academic school, they have better overall sports. I get why they chose Rutgers but i think there are schools Other they UConn that deserved the spot more. IK money drives the bus but you gotta see my point.

No, you don't bring the New York market because you aren't in the New York market. We actually are though, also our FB is better than yours. You can keep saying we didn't deserve it and that other schools did, but guess what? We got the call.

No one cares about womens basketball when it comes to conference realignment. Heck your mens bball is falling off. How many players transfered out this off season?

You should have invested in FB earlier than 1997 or not at all. Don't be mad at your schools poor directional choices. We have been a member of the FB power structure since the beginning of a NCG, you are a johnny come lately. You are on the same level as UMass, Western Kentucky and all the other recent FBS move ups.
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RE: AAC- Big East challenge
(04-27-2017 09:00 AM)RutgersGuy Wrote:  
(04-27-2017 08:30 AM)Huskypride Wrote:  
(04-27-2017 08:17 AM)GoldenWarrior11 Wrote:  
(04-27-2017 08:03 AM)Huskypride Wrote:  
(04-27-2017 07:40 AM)GoldenWarrior11 Wrote:  I don't think there is any connection between UConn and VCU. UConn is a former and highly respected member of the Big East, with a connection to seven of the current schools. VCU has very little history with any Big East school.

Rutgers was added to the B1G with a terrible football and terrible basketball program. Colorado was added to the PAC-12 with a low football program. Syracuse was struggling when they were invited to the ACC. Realignment is bigger than any one sport. Institutional fit, which helps drive value, has been at the forefront of conferences adding schools.

Rutgers didn't deserve to get into the big ten....

We can agree to disagree. The institutional fit, the location/market, the academics and the substantial increase in value aided by added NJ/DC metro areas claim otherwise.

yeah, UConn to a point brings the new York market. They are a good academic school, they have better overall sports. I get why they chose Rutgers but i think there are schools Other they UConn that deserved the spot more. IK money drives the bus but you gotta see my point.

No, you don't bring the New York market because you aren't in the New York market. We actually are though, also our FB is better than yours. You can keep saying we didn't deserve it and that other schools did, but guess what? We got the call.

No one cares about womens basketball when it comes to conference realignment. Heck your mens bball is falling off. How many players transfered out this off season?

You should have invested in FB earlier than 1997 or not at all. Don't be mad at your schools poor directional choices. We have been a member of the FB power structure since the beginning of a NCG, you are a johnny come lately. You are on the same level as UMass, Western Kentucky and all the other recent FBS move ups.

We do bring the New York market!!We still got more Big East football titles then your "beloved football program"and a BCS birth during our time in the big east, don't say the conference sucked that year if it was so easy then you should have won it gotten that birth. our basketball program will be fine we still schedule teams that ur school dreams about, we will pull in good recruits this year. Football will be back with edsal as well.
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RE: AAC- Big East challenge
(04-27-2017 08:17 AM)GoldenWarrior11 Wrote:  
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(04-27-2017 07:40 AM)GoldenWarrior11 Wrote:  I don't think there is any connection between UConn and VCU. UConn is a former and highly respected member of the Big East, with a connection to seven of the current schools. VCU has very little history with any Big East school.

Rutgers was added to the B1G with a terrible football and terrible basketball program. Colorado was added to the PAC-12 with a low football program. Syracuse was struggling when they were invited to the ACC. Realignment is bigger than any one sport. Institutional fit, which helps drive value, has been at the forefront of conferences adding schools.

Rutgers didn't deserve to get into the big ten....

We can agree to disagree. The institutional fit, the location/market, the academics and the substantial increase in value aided by added NJ/DC metro areas claim otherwise.

a LOT different animal between the Big Ten- with their own network- and Big East. Just a night and day difference.

If UConn is added, there is a public school added. Your precious institutional fit goes away. It then goes to best program available, and right now, it'd be VCU going away. Fox isn't going to pay for a program that is performing on the court like SLU is right now.
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RE: AAC- Big East challenge
(04-27-2017 09:16 AM)stever20 Wrote:  
(04-27-2017 08:17 AM)GoldenWarrior11 Wrote:  
(04-27-2017 08:03 AM)Huskypride Wrote:  
(04-27-2017 07:40 AM)GoldenWarrior11 Wrote:  I don't think there is any connection between UConn and VCU. UConn is a former and highly respected member of the Big East, with a connection to seven of the current schools. VCU has very little history with any Big East school.

Rutgers was added to the B1G with a terrible football and terrible basketball program. Colorado was added to the PAC-12 with a low football program. Syracuse was struggling when they were invited to the ACC. Realignment is bigger than any one sport. Institutional fit, which helps drive value, has been at the forefront of conferences adding schools.

Rutgers didn't deserve to get into the big ten....

We can agree to disagree. The institutional fit, the location/market, the academics and the substantial increase in value aided by added NJ/DC metro areas claim otherwise.

a LOT different animal between the Big Ten- with their own network- and Big East. Just a night and day difference.

If UConn is added, there is a public school added. Your precious institutional fit goes away. It then goes to best program available, and right now, it'd be VCU going away. Fox isn't going to pay for a program that is performing on the court like SLU is right now.

It is interesting how, in a black and white world, the shades of gray are often missed. Rules tend to have exceptions, and UConn is the exception to the institutional fit rule because of history. Cincinnati might have been an exception, but not now with Xavier now being in the league. I do not see UConn's addition having anything to do with VCU. I believe that the consideration of VCU is an issue unto itself. Further, if you add UConn, they could be on their own as team 11 or with a Midwest team 12. I don't see VCU as team 12 with UConn.

Out of curiosity, with the BIG coming to Fox and FS1 for hoops, and with FS1 committed to UFC, where and how much more content do you see the various Fox networks needing in the future? Thanks.
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RE: AAC- Big East challenge
(04-27-2017 09:14 AM)Huskypride Wrote:  
(04-27-2017 09:00 AM)RutgersGuy Wrote:  
(04-27-2017 08:30 AM)Huskypride Wrote:  
(04-27-2017 08:17 AM)GoldenWarrior11 Wrote:  
(04-27-2017 08:03 AM)Huskypride Wrote:  Rutgers didn't deserve to get into the big ten....

We can agree to disagree. The institutional fit, the location/market, the academics and the substantial increase in value aided by added NJ/DC metro areas claim otherwise.

yeah, UConn to a point brings the new York market. They are a good academic school, they have better overall sports. I get why they chose Rutgers but i think there are schools Other they UConn that deserved the spot more. IK money drives the bus but you gotta see my point.

No, you don't bring the New York market because you aren't in the New York market. We actually are though, also our FB is better than yours. You can keep saying we didn't deserve it and that other schools did, but guess what? We got the call.

No one cares about womens basketball when it comes to conference realignment. Heck your mens bball is falling off. How many players transfered out this off season?

You should have invested in FB earlier than 1997 or not at all. Don't be mad at your schools poor directional choices. We have been a member of the FB power structure since the beginning of a NCG, you are a johnny come lately. You are on the same level as UMass, Western Kentucky and all the other recent FBS move ups.

We do bring the New York market!!We still got more Big East football titles then your "beloved football program"and a BCS birth during our time in the big east, don't say the conference sucked that year if it was so easy then you should have won it gotten that birth. our basketball program will be fine we still schedule teams that ur school dreams about, we will pull in good recruits this year. Football will be back with edsal as well.

You won the conference with a what? 4 team tie for first? You don't bring the new york market because you aren't IN the new york market. I know it's hard for you you uconn fans to understand this but you weren't left out in some grand conspiracy. You just aren't as attractive as you think you are. You love to bash Rutgers but you weren't as good as us in FB then, you aren't as good as us now and we schedule teams that your school dreams about. UCLA or Miami coming to Stoors anytime soon?
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(04-27-2017 09:48 AM)MUAvalanche Wrote:  
(04-27-2017 09:16 AM)stever20 Wrote:  
(04-27-2017 08:17 AM)GoldenWarrior11 Wrote:  
(04-27-2017 08:03 AM)Huskypride Wrote:  
(04-27-2017 07:40 AM)GoldenWarrior11 Wrote:  I don't think there is any connection between UConn and VCU. UConn is a former and highly respected member of the Big East, with a connection to seven of the current schools. VCU has very little history with any Big East school.

Rutgers was added to the B1G with a terrible football and terrible basketball program. Colorado was added to the PAC-12 with a low football program. Syracuse was struggling when they were invited to the ACC. Realignment is bigger than any one sport. Institutional fit, which helps drive value, has been at the forefront of conferences adding schools.

Rutgers didn't deserve to get into the big ten....

We can agree to disagree. The institutional fit, the location/market, the academics and the substantial increase in value aided by added NJ/DC metro areas claim otherwise.

a LOT different animal between the Big Ten- with their own network- and Big East. Just a night and day difference.

If UConn is added, there is a public school added. Your precious institutional fit goes away. It then goes to best program available, and right now, it'd be VCU going away. Fox isn't going to pay for a program that is performing on the court like SLU is right now.

It is interesting how, in a black and white world, the shades of gray are often missed. Rules tend to have exceptions, and UConn is the exception to the institutional fit rule because of history. Cincinnati might have been an exception, but not now with Xavier now being in the league. I do not see UConn's addition having anything to do with VCU. I believe that the consideration of VCU is an issue unto itself. Further, if you add UConn, they could be on their own as team 11 or with a Midwest team 12. I don't see VCU as team 12 with UConn.

Out of curiosity, with the BIG coming to Fox and FS1 for hoops, and with FS1 committed to UFC, where and how much more content do you see the various Fox networks needing in the future? Thanks.

The Big Ten like I've said is not as big of a deal as folks want to make it out to be. It's for 50 games total. We're talking only 2-3 games a week pretty much. People are acting like they're going to have 5 games a week. They aren't.

The volume issue- it's not just what you think. It's having enough so DePaul isn't on FS1 as much and killing the ratings. Their best game was like 126k on FS1- which was like 30k fewer than the league average in conference games. It's having variety.

UFC- contract is up after next year. It'll be interesting to see how high that goes. No lock that Fox continues to have it.
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(04-27-2017 10:08 AM)RutgersGuy Wrote:  
(04-27-2017 09:14 AM)Huskypride Wrote:  
(04-27-2017 09:00 AM)RutgersGuy Wrote:  
(04-27-2017 08:30 AM)Huskypride Wrote:  
(04-27-2017 08:17 AM)GoldenWarrior11 Wrote:  We can agree to disagree. The institutional fit, the location/market, the academics and the substantial increase in value aided by added NJ/DC metro areas claim otherwise.

yeah, UConn to a point brings the new York market. They are a good academic school, they have better overall sports. I get why they chose Rutgers but i think there are schools Other they UConn that deserved the spot more. IK money drives the bus but you gotta see my point.

No, you don't bring the New York market because you aren't in the New York market. We actually are though, also our FB is better than yours. You can keep saying we didn't deserve it and that other schools did, but guess what? We got the call.

No one cares about womens basketball when it comes to conference realignment. Heck your mens bball is falling off. How many players transfered out this off season?

You should have invested in FB earlier than 1997 or not at all. Don't be mad at your schools poor directional choices. We have been a member of the FB power structure since the beginning of a NCG, you are a johnny come lately. You are on the same level as UMass, Western Kentucky and all the other recent FBS move ups.

We do bring the New York market!!We still got more Big East football titles then your "beloved football program"and a BCS birth during our time in the big east, don't say the conference sucked that year if it was so easy then you should have won it gotten that birth. our basketball program will be fine we still schedule teams that ur school dreams about, we will pull in good recruits this year. Football will be back with edsal as well.

You won the conference with a what? 4 team tie for first? You don't bring the new york market because you aren't IN the new york market. I know it's hard for you you uconn fans to understand this but you weren't left out in some grand conspiracy. You just aren't as attractive as you think you are. You love to bash Rutgers but you weren't as good as us in FB then, you aren't as good as us now and we schedule teams that your school dreams about. UCLA or Miami coming to Stoors anytime soon?

we won the big east twice once in a tie with 6 WVU and another was in a mediocre big east in a 3 way tie and we got the bcs birth. I was talking about basketball in scheduling terms. When did u get duke on a neutral court or Cuse at MSG or a H&H with UofA, nova, or get invited to the pk invitational ...I could go on lol . I'm sorry but in sports terms you are not very good lol, you most prized team is ur mediocre football team. The big ten wanted money not a good sports program that is why they chose u over us and even then it wasn't the brightest idea. we had 15 Michigan come to storrs. Remember we are only like a 12 yr old fbs program. we also have a H&H with Tennessee with dates TBD. what we have done in our short history is pretty impressive.
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(04-27-2017 09:16 AM)stever20 Wrote:  
(04-27-2017 08:17 AM)GoldenWarrior11 Wrote:  
(04-27-2017 08:03 AM)Huskypride Wrote:  
(04-27-2017 07:40 AM)GoldenWarrior11 Wrote:  I don't think there is any connection between UConn and VCU. UConn is a former and highly respected member of the Big East, with a connection to seven of the current schools. VCU has very little history with any Big East school.

Rutgers was added to the B1G with a terrible football and terrible basketball program. Colorado was added to the PAC-12 with a low football program. Syracuse was struggling when they were invited to the ACC. Realignment is bigger than any one sport. Institutional fit, which helps drive value, has been at the forefront of conferences adding schools.

Rutgers didn't deserve to get into the big ten....

We can agree to disagree. The institutional fit, the location/market, the academics and the substantial increase in value aided by added NJ/DC metro areas claim otherwise.

a LOT different animal between the Big Ten- with their own network- and Big East. Just a night and day difference.

If UConn is added, there is a public school added. Your precious institutional fit goes away. It then goes to best program available, and right now, it'd be VCU going away. Fox isn't going to pay for a program that is performing on the court like SLU is right now.

There are a lot of differences with the B1G and the Big East, but not in terms of institutional fit and brand. UConn is a unique circumstance - while they are likely never to come back to the Big East because of football, they would absolutely be accepted because of their basketball program and their history with seven of the current members. Like UConn, the B1G would absolutely make an exception for Notre Dame - which is a Private/Catholic university - if it could. UConn and VCU have nothing in common as expansion candidates, except that both are public universities.
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(04-27-2017 10:39 AM)Huskypride Wrote:  
(04-27-2017 10:08 AM)RutgersGuy Wrote:  
(04-27-2017 09:14 AM)Huskypride Wrote:  
(04-27-2017 09:00 AM)RutgersGuy Wrote:  
(04-27-2017 08:30 AM)Huskypride Wrote:  yeah, UConn to a point brings the new York market. They are a good academic school, they have better overall sports. I get why they chose Rutgers but i think there are schools Other they UConn that deserved the spot more. IK money drives the bus but you gotta see my point.

No, you don't bring the New York market because you aren't in the New York market. We actually are though, also our FB is better than yours. You can keep saying we didn't deserve it and that other schools did, but guess what? We got the call.

No one cares about womens basketball when it comes to conference realignment. Heck your mens bball is falling off. How many players transfered out this off season?

You should have invested in FB earlier than 1997 or not at all. Don't be mad at your schools poor directional choices. We have been a member of the FB power structure since the beginning of a NCG, you are a johnny come lately. You are on the same level as UMass, Western Kentucky and all the other recent FBS move ups.

We do bring the New York market!!We still got more Big East football titles then your "beloved football program"and a BCS birth during our time in the big east, don't say the conference sucked that year if it was so easy then you should have won it gotten that birth. our basketball program will be fine we still schedule teams that ur school dreams about, we will pull in good recruits this year. Football will be back with edsal as well.

You won the conference with a what? 4 team tie for first? You don't bring the new york market because you aren't IN the new york market. I know it's hard for you you uconn fans to understand this but you weren't left out in some grand conspiracy. You just aren't as attractive as you think you are. You love to bash Rutgers but you weren't as good as us in FB then, you aren't as good as us now and we schedule teams that your school dreams about. UCLA or Miami coming to Stoors anytime soon?

we won the big east twice once in a tie with 6 WVU and another was in a mediocre big east in a 3 way tie and we got the bcs birth. I was talking about basketball in scheduling terms. When did u get duke on a neutral court or Cuse at MSG or a H&H with UofA, nova, or get invited to the pk invitational ...I could go on lol . I'm sorry but in sports terms you are not very good lol, you most prized team is ur mediocre football team. The big ten wanted money not a good sports program that is why they chose u over us and even then it wasn't the brightest idea. we had 15 Michigan come to storrs. Remember we are only like a 12 yr old fbs program. we also have a H&H with Tennessee with dates TBD. what we have done in our short history is pretty impressive.

lol all you want (What are you a 15 year old girl?) you aren't a great sports program. No matter how much you try and convince yourself otherwise. NJ is more populous, produces better athletes, produces more undergrads, delivers much more of the NYC market since we are actually INSIDE the market. Look at who gets the best ratings in NYC for college FB.

No one cares about your womens basketball program. You can list all the great teams UConn gets to play in BBall. If you look at other schools in the area like St. John's they get all those teams as well.
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(04-27-2017 10:33 AM)stever20 Wrote:  The Big Ten like I've said is not as big of a deal as folks want to make it out to be. It's for 50 games total. We're talking only 2-3 games a week pretty much. People are acting like they're going to have 5 games a week. They aren't.

The volume issue- it's not just what you think. It's having enough so DePaul isn't on FS1 as much and killing the ratings. Their best game was like 126k on FS1- which was like 30k fewer than the league average in conference games. It's having variety.

UFC- contract is up after next year. It'll be interesting to see how high that goes. No lock that Fox continues to have it.

Let's assume that the BIG provides 2-3 per week. November and December are nonconference anyway, so that may or may not bring games of interest. But in the January-February window, you have 2-3 BIG conference games on the Fox networks. BE was generally Tuesday, Wednesday, Saturday, with occasional Monday (marathon) and Sunday games in 2017. That would leave Thursday, occasional Monday and weekend times open for the BIG. Additionally, about 15 conference games were sold to CBSSN that could potentially be brought back (1-2 games/week) into the fold if necessary to cover lost UFC nights or move DePaul or other bad teams to FS2 or FSN. So between BIG and CBSSN, that is 3-5 games per week of additional content (6-10 hours of primetime content) that Fox controls.

I understand your position that future content may be desired beyond what I described above, but I can't make the leap that Fox will look to VCU and Dayton for that content.
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few things....
1- Big East isn't going to get the plum Tuesday/Wednesday night slots on FS1 100% of the time, leaving the Big Ten with the "scraps" of Monday/Thursday. it's going to be best 50/50- and wouldn't be surprised if Big Ten got the more favorable weeknight schedule.

2- There is more of a benefit for Fox to instead of Villanova playing DePaul - and pushing that to FS2 or FSN- to Villanova playing a team like a VCU or Dayton. Also, given there are only about 2-3 good OOC games per school at home that FS1 controls- to make a jump from even 30 to 36 is a pretty big jump.

3- folks are assuming that the Big East will continue doing as well as they have. So far, the conference has gotten almost every break in the book for getting teams in the tourney. Things with 2-3 different bounces could have been VERY different in terms of getting teams in the tourney. Almost every bounce has been positive in getting teams in. If there's a 3-4 year run where the bounces don't go the BE way, things could really look different. Round robin makes it where there is always going to be pressure on teams even some times 4 thru 7 making it- as they're always going to have at least 8-9 losses. So far the schools and Fox have seen the good side of things. But there's going to be years where the round robin does kill teams. Probably saw it with St John's in 2014.

4- Big East Tournament. Having 12 teams gets an extra session for the tourney. This would be helpful in keeping MSG.
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(04-28-2017 11:43 AM)stever20 Wrote:  few things....
1- Big East isn't going to get the plum Tuesday/Wednesday night slots on FS1 100% of the time, leaving the Big Ten with the "scraps" of Monday/Thursday. it's going to be best 50/50- and wouldn't be surprised if Big Ten got the more favorable weeknight schedule.

2- There is more of a benefit for Fox to instead of Villanova playing DePaul - and pushing that to FS2 or FSN- to Villanova playing a team like a VCU or Dayton. Also, given there are only about 2-3 good OOC games per school at home that FS1 controls- to make a jump from even 30 to 36 is a pretty big jump.

3- folks are assuming that the Big East will continue doing as well as they have. So far, the conference has gotten almost every break in the book for getting teams in the tourney. Things with 2-3 different bounces could have been VERY different in terms of getting teams in the tourney. Almost every bounce has been positive in getting teams in. If there's a 3-4 year run where the bounces don't go the BE way, things could really look different. Round robin makes it where there is always going to be pressure on teams even some times 4 thru 7 making it- as they're always going to have at least 8-9 losses. So far the schools and Fox have seen the good side of things. But there's going to be years where the round robin does kill teams. Probably saw it with St John's in 2014.

4- Big East Tournament. Having 12 teams gets an extra session for the tourney. This would be helpful in keeping MSG.

1. I believe BIG has a key Thursday matchup on ESPN, so if that stays true, Fox won't compete with that. BE already has Tuesday as their special FS1 night. I could see Wednesday going BIG and Thursday and Monday split.

2. That may be true in certain years, but that also assumes DePaul never resurrects itself and VCU and Dayton never have a bad year. I am still not convinced that VCU and Dayton are the content Fox is clamoring for, and I am still not convinced that they are the additions the BE should be going for.

3. The resolution to that is not good teams, but mediocre to bad teams so you get additional wins for the quality middle teams. Why bring in more teams that will make the group of 4-7 into a group of 4-9 that cannibalize themselves when you can make 4-7 into locks, give hope to current 8-9 and give DePaul a couple of wins and some life? Throw the new teams on FS2 for a few years for content and there you go. See JP's various posts in the past for the analysis.

4. Assuming that you need the attendance, I would grant you that VCU and Dayton fans would show up. But I revert back to point 3 above if all you are looking for is Wednesday afternoon games.
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I'm going to add my 2 cents. its been said before and I totally agree with it, "which school would the presidents want to be associated with in the bad times"? (athletic) IMO they would choose St. Louis U over VCU
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The problem with SLU is if their basketball program doesn't improve much in the next 6 years, no network is going to push for their inclusion. And for a conference like the Big East, they really have to listen to the networks a lot more than some conferences do.

While what JP said may make logic sense, Networks would laugh their asses off at that. They would want the best available teams. Get 5-7 good OOC home games for the new schools.

I just do not think folks can look at VCU or Dayton right now and say absolutely that they have no chance at joining the Big East. Way too many variables going forward.

I think the Big East will totally be looking at how different the AAC is in getting teams in the tourney with 12 vs even 11.
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(05-01-2017 11:11 PM)stever20 Wrote:  I just do not think folks can look at VCU or Dayton right now and say absolutely that they have no chance at joining the Big East. Way too many variables going forward.

I can agree with this statement. Where we disagree is when you imply that VCU and/or Dayton will become mandatory or even likely. But I can agree that you can't say that they have no chance.
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think an interesting part of things is what happens if Big 12 implodes and you see a lot closer to 4x16 for the football conferences.

The problem IMO with 10 is it really puts teams 4-7 where their OOC schedule dictates way more than you would like. I mean look at ACC, Big Ten, and SEC with conference records.....
4th place teams- averaged 11.67 wins
5th place teams- averaged 10.33 wins
6th place teams- averaged 10.33 wins
7th place teams- averaged 10.00 wins
8th place teams- averaged 9.67 wins
9th place teams- averaged 8.67 wins

in the 3 conferences - no team finishing 7th or better finished with fewer than 10 wins. 2/3 8th place teams finished with 10 wins. 1 9th place team finished with 10 wins.

meanwhile- Big East had in a fluky season 4 teams finishing 3-6 at 10 wins, and 7th at 9 wins.

I just think if the 4 football conferences go 16, Big East is going to have to do some serious thinking.
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(05-02-2017 02:33 PM)stever20 Wrote:  think an interesting part of things is what happens if Big 12 implodes and you see a lot closer to 4x16 for the football conferences.

The problem IMO with 10 is it really puts teams 4-7 where their OOC schedule dictates way more than you would like. I mean look at ACC, Big Ten, and SEC with conference records.....
4th place teams- averaged 11.67 wins
5th place teams- averaged 10.33 wins
6th place teams- averaged 10.33 wins
7th place teams- averaged 10.00 wins
8th place teams- averaged 9.67 wins
9th place teams- averaged 8.67 wins

in the 3 conferences - no team finishing 7th or better finished with fewer than 10 wins. 2/3 8th place teams finished with 10 wins. 1 9th place team finished with 10 wins.

meanwhile- Big East had in a fluky season 4 teams finishing 3-6 at 10 wins, and 7th at 9 wins.

I just think if the 4 football conferences go 16, Big East is going to have to do some serious thinking.

If FBS does go to the 4x16 model, and there is a separation within football, several programs will have undoubtedly be left behind. Hypothetically speaking, if a Kansas/Connecticut/Iowa State/Memphis or any other strong basketball program, with a historically weak football, gets left behind, then I would absolutely argue that the Big East would look at amending its membership to increase its numbers. Those schools you can make exceptions for, IMO.
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(05-02-2017 02:43 PM)GoldenWarrior11 Wrote:  
(05-02-2017 02:33 PM)stever20 Wrote:  think an interesting part of things is what happens if Big 12 implodes and you see a lot closer to 4x16 for the football conferences.

The problem IMO with 10 is it really puts teams 4-7 where their OOC schedule dictates way more than you would like. I mean look at ACC, Big Ten, and SEC with conference records.....
4th place teams- averaged 11.67 wins
5th place teams- averaged 10.33 wins
6th place teams- averaged 10.33 wins
7th place teams- averaged 10.00 wins
8th place teams- averaged 9.67 wins
9th place teams- averaged 8.67 wins

in the 3 conferences - no team finishing 7th or better finished with fewer than 10 wins. 2/3 8th place teams finished with 10 wins. 1 9th place team finished with 10 wins.

meanwhile- Big East had in a fluky season 4 teams finishing 3-6 at 10 wins, and 7th at 9 wins.

I just think if the 4 football conferences go 16, Big East is going to have to do some serious thinking.

If FBS does go to the 4x16 model, and there is a separation within football, several programs will have undoubtedly be left behind. Hypothetically speaking, if a Kansas/Connecticut/Iowa State/Memphis or any other strong basketball program, with a historically weak football, gets left behind, then I would absolutely argue that the Big East would look at amending its membership to increase its numbers. Those schools you can make exceptions for, IMO.
i agree, but Memphis is building something special football wise right now and that may get them into a power5 conference. if you guys do take them they will have to put their football somewhere. That is the same problem we have rn
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(05-02-2017 03:04 PM)Huskypride Wrote:  i agree, but Memphis is building something special football wise right now and that may get them into a power5 conference. if you guys do take them they will have to put their football somewhere. That is the same problem we have rn

Agreed.
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(04-08-2017 09:11 PM)kmdhoya Wrote:  nope

ECU vs DePaul would be epic.....
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