(04-07-2017 03:22 PM)SactoHornetAlum Wrote:  

(04-07-2017 02:54 PM)AZcats Wrote:  

(04-07-2017 01:14 PM)DavidSt Wrote:  Would a Chico State, East Bay State, Sonoma State or San Francisco State could garner enough votes for the Big West? They would be another schools up there with Cal-Davis and Cal-Poly in northern California.

Since when is Cal Poly in northern California?

Everything north of LA County is Northern California

And everything north of San Francisco is Oregon.

(04-07-2017 12:59 PM)solohawks Wrote:  

(04-07-2017 12:10 PM)Wedge Wrote:  

(04-07-2017 01:37 AM)Stugray2 Wrote:  California politics pure and simple.

I wonder if San Diego State had a hand in this? Maybe SDSU quietly told the Big West members, "You guys wanted SDSU before when we were leaving the MWC, and it might happen again someday if we find a place for our football team. If you want to have a chance to get SDSU in the future, then don't let UCSD into the Big West."

SDSU leadership really wanted the Big East-Big West thing to work out. Even after Boise pulled out they were looking for ways to make it work.

SDSU has much bigger ambitions than the Big West.

There is zero chance they drop football - the owner of the Padres just donated $25 million to get the SDSU business school named after him. He's also a big donor to the athletic department. He'll probably let them play football at PETCO park indefinitely if it comes to that.

(04-07-2017 04:32 PM)bullet Wrote:  

(04-07-2017 03:22 PM)SactoHornetAlum Wrote:  

(04-07-2017 02:54 PM)AZcats Wrote:  

(04-07-2017 01:14 PM)DavidSt Wrote:  Would a Chico State, East Bay State, Sonoma State or San Francisco State could garner enough votes for the Big West? They would be another schools up there with Cal-Davis and Cal-Poly in northern California.

Since when is Cal Poly in northern California?

Everything north of LA County is Northern California

And everything north of San Francisco is Oregon.

Geographically, San Jose is in southern California. (just barely in the southern half, if you're measuring north-south distance)

Ohh, can you find the center of population for the state? I know the US Census computes this every 10 years for the whole country, but I'd be curious about just California.

(04-07-2017 06:26 PM)GiveEmTheAxe Wrote:  Ohh, can you find the center of population for the state? I know the US Census computes this every 10 years for the whole country, but I'd be curious about just California.

After the 2010 census, the center of California population was northwest of Bakersfield. Map in this article shows how the population center has moved over the decades: http://www.mercurynews.com/2011/04/17/ca...lfa-field/

The center has probably moved just a little bit north since then, because the large population counties in northern California have been growing at a slightly faster rate than the large population counties in southern California.

(04-07-2017 06:40 PM)Wedge Wrote:  

(04-07-2017 06:26 PM)GiveEmTheAxe Wrote:  Ohh, can you find the center of population for the state? I know the US Census computes this every 10 years for the whole country, but I'd be curious about just California.

After the 2010 census, the center of California population was northwest of Bakersfield. Map in this article shows how the population center has moved over the decades: http://www.mercurynews.com/2011/04/17/ca...lfa-field/

The center has probably moved just a little bit north since then, because the large population counties in northern California have been growing at a slightly faster rate than the large population counties in southern California.

Bakersfield is at 35°22′N while San Luis Obispo is at 35°16′27″N. Which I guess means that Cal Poly, SLO is officially in SoCal. I hope they're teaching those kids to use the definite article when referring to a state or interstate highway.

(04-07-2017 01:13 PM)MplsBison Wrote:  Well ... tough.

Big West was the "easy button" for DI. Didn't work out, because life rarely is easy. Ask Bakersfield. Ask NJIT, for cripessakes.

You grind, you work ... something good will happen.

Wow, you finally posted something I completely agree with. When you work for it, the end is much sweeter.

(04-07-2017 06:06 PM)Captain Bearcat Wrote:  

(04-07-2017 04:32 PM)bullet Wrote:  

(04-07-2017 03:22 PM)SactoHornetAlum Wrote:  

(04-07-2017 02:54 PM)AZcats Wrote:  

(04-07-2017 01:14 PM)DavidSt Wrote:  Would a Chico State, East Bay State, Sonoma State or San Francisco State could garner enough votes for the Big West? They would be another schools up there with Cal-Davis and Cal-Poly in northern California.

Since when is Cal Poly in northern California?

Everything north of LA County is Northern California

And everything north of San Francisco is Oregon.

Geographically, San Jose is in southern California. (just barely in the southern half, if you're measuring north-south distance)

But culturally, there is Southern California and the rest. Go much beyond Santa Barbara and you are in "the rest."

Southern California is traditionally defined as the 10 counties of San Bernadino, Riverside, Imperial, San Diego, Orange, Los Angeles, Ventura, Santa Barbara, San Luis Obispo, and Kern



If you check the maps of fans and click on San Luis Obispo county you'll find it is 28% Dodgers, 27% Giants, and 11% Angels. This is pretty much the middle ground between north and south, though it has a slight tilt south. (Tulare tilts slightly north, Inyo tilts slightly south on the north side of the N/S line)

https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2014...9,-118.989

Cal Poly is titled slightly SoCal over NorCal, but basically a toss up. From a driving perspective, Paseo Robles is the exact middle point, 2 hours from the Bay Area and 2 hours from Los Angeles. It is also on the Salinas River which runs north with commerce up to Salinas and Monterey. Anyway San Luis Obispo is the county were north and south meet culturally. I would not call SLO NorCal, it's SoCal, but it's very much borderland.

There is a 3rd California, north of Northern California, which is "Jefferson" (or Del Norte, taking the northern most county). You can define it as everything north of the counties of Sonoma, Napa, Yolo, and Placer. Or put another way, north of the north bay wine country, UC Davis, and I-80 up to Tahoe. It is more similar to Oregon than to California in many ways. It would not surprise anyone if it eventually broke away and formed a new state (large on the map, but probably only two congressional seats).

Anyway that is a geographic primer on California.

My crazy idea is the PAC should invite UCSD and Rice as non-FB affiliates. The PAC could offer the PAC network at a discounted rate in Texas without upsetting their current TV deals as long as there is no existing language for a non-FB rate. Pay UCSD and Rice a full share of the PAC-N revenue but none of the tier 1 football revenue.

Rice would go FB independent with a PAC scheduling agreement (6 games/year). Rice would be invited full if they met certain performance/investment metrics AND Texas joined as well. Plant that PAC flag in Houston and make UT feel the heat from PAC and SEC incursion.

Santa Barbara county to Monterey County are considered "Central Coast" by their residents. Neither northern or southern California.

(04-07-2017 09:06 PM)jrj84105 Wrote:  My crazy idea is the PAC should invite UCSD and Rice as non-FB affiliates. The PAC could offer the PAC network at a discounted rate in Texas without upsetting their current TV deals as long as there is no existing language for a non-FB rate. Pay UCSD and Rice a full share of the PAC-N revenue but none of the tier 1 football revenue.

Rice would go FB independent with a PAC scheduling agreement (6 games/year). Rice would be invited full if they met certain performance/investment metrics AND Texas joined as well. Plant that PAC flag in Houston and make UT feel the heat from PAC and SEC incursion.

If we're going to go down the non-football school path, I think I'd rather just add the four UC campuses that are AAU members. How bad are 16-team basketball scheduling issues, though? On the bright side, some of the other sports would get fleshed out.

Can a conference have both FBS and FCS members?

(04-08-2017 12:43 PM)GiveEmTheAxe Wrote:  Can a conference have both FBS and FCS members?

The Sun Belt had that for years with W Kentucky.

(04-08-2017 10:26 AM)teamvsn Wrote:  Santa Barbara county to Monterey County are considered "Central Coast" by their residents. Neither northern or southern California.

Santa Barbara culturally is much closer to LA, San Diego and Orange County than it is to say, San Jose, Fresno and Sacramento - it's more southern than central.

(04-08-2017 01:12 PM)jdgaucho Wrote:  

(04-08-2017 10:26 AM)teamvsn Wrote:  Santa Barbara county to Monterey County are considered "Central Coast" by their residents. Neither northern or southern California.

Santa Barbara culturally is much closer to LA, San Diego and Orange County than it is to say, San Jose, Fresno and Sacramento - it's more southern than central.

Someone suggested that the dividing line between southern California and central California is just north of Santa Barbara, which sounds right to me. Places like Santa Maria and Solvang are much more central California, more like SLO and Paso Robles, than either northern or southern California.

(04-08-2017 01:16 PM)Wedge Wrote:  

(04-08-2017 01:12 PM)jdgaucho Wrote:  

(04-08-2017 10:26 AM)teamvsn Wrote:  Santa Barbara county to Monterey County are considered "Central Coast" by their residents. Neither northern or southern California.

Santa Barbara culturally is much closer to LA, San Diego and Orange County than it is to say, San Jose, Fresno and Sacramento - it's more southern than central.

Someone suggested that the dividing line between southern California and central California is just north of Santa Barbara, which sounds right to me. Places like Santa Maria and Solvang are much more central California, more like SLO and Paso Robles, than either northern or southern California.

Yep. South to North it's roughly 800 miles from the Mexican border (San Ysidro) to the Oregon border (Dorris, CA). If we divided California into equal thirds then the start of central would be Paso Robles, Bakersfield, Fresno. I think technically Sacramento and the Bay Area would be considered central as well. After that, all the way up to Oregon it's NorCal.

Yes, the Central Coast is distinct. But so also is the California desert where Palm Springs is the de facto Capitol. That desert includes eastern parts of San Diego (Anza-Borrego), Riverside (Palm Springs, Joshua Tree) and most San Bernadino (Mojave), as well as the southeast portion of Kern and much of Inyo (Death Valley) and Imperial county. In fact the desert is simply a distinct sub culture of Southern California.

As for the Central Coast, the division is more based on which major metro people identify with and which major metro sees them as close access. Monterey is in constant interaction with the Bay Area, and Santa Barbara with the LA region. The middle zone is San Luis Obispo. Sports team allegiance is a good measure of which major metro is the one people identify with. That 2-2.5 hour driving radius seems to align very close with the North/South divide. That same driving radius puts "Jefferson" beyond the reach of SF Bay. But as no sports teams are close they are loyal to the Giants and 49ers.

The only big cities that I know of in eastern California are along the Colorado river in Needles and Blythe. Everything else is just desert. The Colorado river along the borders of California, Arizona and Nevada had a heavy population growth on both sides.
Bullhead City, Arizona/Laughlin, Nevada
Lake Havasu City/Havasu Palms on the California side is growing as well.
Parkar all the way up to the Parker dam on both sides.
Mohave City, Arizona
Yuma, Arizona
California side of the Colorado river between Parker and Blythe. Big River is the name.
Needles/Arizona Village on the other side of the river.
Blythe/Ehrenberg, Arizona
It is mainly resort towns, and they would considered themselves Eastern California.

(04-08-2017 01:30 PM)jdgaucho Wrote:  Yep. South to North it's roughly 800 miles from the Mexican border (San Ysidro) to the Oregon border (Dorris, CA). If we divided California into equal thirds then the start of central would be Paso Robles, Bakersfield, Fresno. I think technically Sacramento and the Bay Area would be considered central as well. After that, all the way up to Oregon it's NorCal.

We in "Central" third consider ourselves NorCal. The "North" third is "Jefferson", and nobody much think about it (Chico State in Butte is an exception because almost all the kids come from Sac, the South Bay and LA/OC burbs ... it's an island of California in Jefferson).

(04-07-2017 09:06 PM)jrj84105 Wrote:  My crazy idea is the PAC should invite UCSD and Rice as non-FB affiliates. The PAC could offer the PAC network at a discounted rate in Texas without upsetting their current TV deals as long as there is no existing language for a non-FB rate. Pay UCSD and Rice a full share of the PAC-N revenue but none of the tier 1 football revenue.

Rice would go FB independent with a PAC scheduling agreement (6 games/year). Rice would be invited full if they met certain performance/investment metrics AND Texas joined as well. Plant that PAC flag in Houston and make UT feel the heat from PAC and SEC incursion.

We'll be right over. Where do we sign?