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I'm in no way sold on Tubby....
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RE: Shots fired by Jake McDowell!
(04-05-2017 03:57 PM)ndq1125 Wrote:  So now the Lawson's are cancerous since they are leaving... That's funny they were the only thing the team had going for them. Tubby has shown zero interest in recruiting the types of players Memphis is used to and now he is holding the middle finger up at the talent in the city especially is Crawford leaves.

No not now, they have been ever since their dad used his boys to get a job he couldn't get on his own to play for a coach that couldn't win regardless of the talent he had - glad he's gone too - as has been said, they were not good for the team then or now In fact they don't know how to spell team first much less grasp the idea.
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RE: Shots fired by Jake McDowell!
(04-05-2017 02:57 PM)HoopDreams Wrote:  
(04-05-2017 02:55 PM)HometownTiger Wrote:  His dad is a Memphis legend. The kid made the team because of his last name. Tubby gave him a scholarship - just because. Of course he's going to be loyal to the program/coach above all else.

Not saying I disagree or that he's not entitled to his opinion. But it's easy to see why he says these things...

Agree, but it's a dumb statement.

It's like saying, if you love your spouse, you won't cheat on them.

He states the obvious and it's celebrated.

Just dumb.

Kind of like someone continuing to say Tubby needs to recruit better.
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RE: Shots fired by Jake McDowell!
(04-05-2017 02:51 PM)HoopDreams Wrote:  Who cares what he thinks? That's a dumb blanket statement anyway. It caters to the drooling masses. A simpleton statement that makes dummies nod and clap. Yeah, what he said. Go get him.

Maybe they don't want to be here because their dad is getting fired or pushed out or whatever. Maybe they don't like Tubby Smith. Maybe they are a cancer.

Maybe a lot of things.

But what Jake said is a meaningless platitude. He may as well say that Tiger fans love winning and the FedEx Forum is an NBA arena.

Duh

It's akin to Tommy West with the good ol boy "He's gone, he needs to stay gone."

All the butthurt nerds lapped that one up.

Now they got their scapegoats to whip for another year.

Lawsons will take the blame for Tubby's first 3 years.

Bet that.

I don't know about anybody else, but I, for one, care a lot more about what a guy who actually played on the team (earning a scholarship for his effort) and knows what was going on says than a guy who doesn't even watch the games on TV and has nothing to add but a bunch of maybe's and name calling. He's earned the right. You? Not so much.
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Cool story.
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(04-05-2017 02:53 PM)tigersroll Wrote:  
(04-05-2017 02:40 PM)ncrdbl1 Wrote:  We are now OFFICIALLY ruing the day. A group of disgruntled fans got what they wanted, ignoring the real issues and we are now screwed because of it.

so what exactly were the "real issues"???

A variable was changed and the same pattern continued. So through the process of elimination that variable was not the cause for the pattern. Cannot dispute the process accepted in every bit of scientific research.

4 player rated 4 stars transferring out with in a year of Orlando being hired as coach.
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That all sounds great...and makes fans feel better...labeling players etc... as cancerous, or labeling Pastner as destructive...nice hyperbolic missives.

They are singular players or coaches.

The cancerous element, using that term with more reality, is a large segment of the fanbase, that made things untenable way too quickly and way too harshly. THAT has contributed mightily to the atomosphere surrounding the program.

So many sound like people during tough times, itbis always THEM. No, not always.

Players make or miss shots...yes. But in terms of ATMOSPHERE, fans contributed to the cancerous toxicity.

Shameful really. Then they expect near immediate feel goods.

Now watch the toxicity.
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(04-05-2017 02:33 PM)Johnny Betts Wrote:  I'm in no way sold on Tubby, but the Lawsons lost me when they came out of the timeout laughing while getting curb-stomped.

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Word. Hank raised his son right.
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(04-05-2017 06:39 PM)tmoneyinmphs Wrote:  
(04-05-2017 02:33 PM)Johnny Betts Wrote:  I'm in no way sold on Tubby, but the Lawsons lost me when they came out of the timeout laughing while getting curb-stomped.

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Don't want anyone here that doesn't want to be here. Plain & simple

Word. Hank raised his son right.

Go Jake!! 04-bow04-bow
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(04-05-2017 02:51 PM)HoopDreams Wrote:  Who cares what he thinks? That's a dumb blanket statement anyway. It caters to the drooling masses. A simpleton statement that makes dummies nod and clap. Yeah, what he said. Go get him.

Maybe they don't want to be here because their dad is getting fired or pushed out or whatever. Maybe they don't like Tubby Smith. Maybe they are a cancer.

Maybe a lot of things.

But what Jake said is a meaningless platitude. He may as well say that Tiger fans love winning and the FedEx Forum is an NBA arena.

Duh

It's akin to Tommy West with the good ol boy "He's gone, he needs to stay gone."

All the butthurt nerds lapped that one up.

Now they got their scapegoats to whip for another year.

Lawsons will take the blame for Tubby's first 3 years.

Bet that.

If people only read one reply in this thread it should be this one. ^^
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Hoopdreams, maybe tubby isn't the answer, but it's also not the answer to fire a coach after one year especially when you let the "clown coach" named josh pastner stay here at least two years too long.

Josh pastner destroyed the tiger brand that your hero john calipari built. It was not tubby. Maybe tubby needs to clean house to get the program back right. It's not like we are a ncaa tourney team that tubby is destroying.
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(04-05-2017 06:45 PM)tmoneyinmphs Wrote:  Hoopdreams, maybe tubby isn't the answer, but it's also not the answer to fire a coach after one year especially when you let the "clown coach" named josh pastner stay here at least two years too long.

Josh pastner destroyed the tiger brand that your hero john calipari built. It was not tubby. Maybe tubby needs to clean house to get the program back right. It's not like we are a ncaa tourney team that tubby is destroying.

Excellent 04-cheers
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If you really want to be mad at someone, be mad at the ones who kept pastner so long. After some bush league moves, they said keeping pastner was needed to get into the big 12. Remember that one? Whoops. They are the ones who hired tubby.
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(04-05-2017 05:12 PM)macgar32 Wrote:  
(04-05-2017 02:57 PM)HoopDreams Wrote:  
(04-05-2017 02:55 PM)HometownTiger Wrote:  His dad is a Memphis legend. The kid made the team because of his last name. Tubby gave him a scholarship - just because. Of course he's going to be loyal to the program/coach above all else.

Not saying I disagree or that he's not entitled to his opinion. But it's easy to see why he says these things...

Agree, but it's a dumb statement.

It's like saying, if you love your spouse, you won't cheat on them.

He states the obvious and it's celebrated.

Just dumb.

Kind of like someone continuing to say Tubby needs to recruit better.

03-lmfao
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(04-05-2017 05:51 PM)ncrdbl1 Wrote:  
(04-05-2017 02:53 PM)tigersroll Wrote:  
(04-05-2017 02:40 PM)ncrdbl1 Wrote:  We are now OFFICIALLY ruing the day. A group of disgruntled fans got what they wanted, ignoring the real issues and we are now screwed because of it.

so what exactly were the "real issues"???

A variable was changed and the same pattern continued. So through the process of elimination that variable was not the cause for the pattern. Cannot dispute the process accepted in every bit of scientific research.

4 player rated 4 stars transferring out with in a year of Orlando being hired as coach.

LMAO.........dude, one variable didn't hire and X&O coach to help him for 7 years when he had multiple opportunities, but same variable hired one at another school? Maybe that variable didn't care about his previous employer or respected the advice he was given. So yeah, the first variable was a cause of the problem, That variable didn't recruit players that fit his personality and certainly not aligned with his outlook on how things operate. BTW, I'm still happy that the former variable is gone.

Now, lets see how the current variable responds. Sounds to me that you will be unhappy if the current variable, "Orlando", succeeds under these circumstances. Are you a fan of this progam or the former variable.
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(04-05-2017 06:52 PM)tmoneyinmphs Wrote:  If you really want to be mad at someone, be mad at the ones who kept pastner so long. After some bush league moves, they said keeping pastner was needed to get into the big 12. Remember that one? Whoops. They are the ones who hired tubby.

WRONG! 04-cheers Be mad at the ones that hired Pastner in the first place. He was nowhere near ready and was rightly SHOCKED that he was offered the job. I know that people weren't knocking down the door to follow Calipari, but Memphis could have easily found someone with more experience to follow him.

Pastner was a lazy-ass hire that has been haunting us for 8 years. He is a good guy, works hard, and might be a very good coach one day, but he was simply not ready. The hot Memphis brand allowed him to recruit well initially and do pretty well, but his inexperience gradually led to the issues that we are dealing with now.
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(04-05-2017 06:45 PM)tmoneyinmphs Wrote:  Hoopdreams, maybe tubby isn't the answer, but it's also not the answer to fire a coach after one year especially when you let the "clown coach" named josh pastner stay here at least two years too long.

Josh pastner destroyed the tiger brand that your hero john calipari built. It was not tubby. Maybe tubby needs to clean house to get the program back right. It's not like we are a ncaa tourney team that tubby is destroying.

He's probably firing himself in reality.

Just will take awhile.
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I really don't see how that's wrong but whatever.

Bowen and shirley (as she was leaving) extended his contract, and that seemed to be the very wrong part. They couldn't even fire him. Then they really messed up by keeping pastner two years too long instead of just making the payout. About 65% of the tiger fanbase did not like pastner in his last year. In the end, the tigers did save a lot of money by LUCK that he left, but in the process, many fans gave up their seats and the tiger brand got destroyed.

I'd like to see the numbers between the payout of pastner two years earlier vs all the lost revenue in the last couple years.
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(04-05-2017 07:29 PM)tmoneyinmphs Wrote:  
(04-05-2017 07:18 PM)HoopDreams Wrote:  
(04-05-2017 06:45 PM)tmoneyinmphs Wrote:  Hoopdreams, maybe tubby isn't the answer, but it's also not the answer to fire a coach after one year especially when you let the "clown coach" named josh pastner stay here at least two years too long.

Josh pastner destroyed the tiger brand that your hero john calipari built. It was not tubby. Maybe tubby needs to clean house to get the program back right. It's not like we are a ncaa tourney team that tubby is destroying.

He's probably firing himself in reality.

Just will take awhile.

You tell me what part of this post is not reality.


I dont know if it's reality or not.

Dude will have 4K in the Forum in 3 years if the bulk of Memphis kids are blowing up elsewhere and he's grinding out 22-12 records with JUCOs and 3 stars from elsewhere.

That's all I know.
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Honestly if Crawford leaves Tubby has to own that one...

I can see him getting a pass for the Lawsons although he didn't fill Keelons position with a real coach.
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