The only reasons I would won't to see Houston in another conference is for getting much better recruiting and of course money, but I would like to stay in the AAC and have all the above...

(04-06-2017 09:04 PM)JHS55 Wrote:  The only reasons I would won't to see Houston in another conference is for getting much better recruiting and of course money, but I would like to stay in the AAC and have all the above...

Houston lacks the academic necessities for Pac 12 membership.

(04-05-2017 09:18 PM)Side Show Joe Wrote:  

(04-05-2017 05:58 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  

(04-05-2017 03:42 PM)UTEPDallas Wrote:  Houston does NOT fit the profile of a Pac-12 school. Rice more or less does but the only way they move is if Texas takes them as a package deal. Other than Rice and A&M, there's no other Texas school that fits the profile the Pac-12 looks in candidates.

If seven years ago you substitute Rice for Baylor, there would be a Pac-16 even if A&M went to the SEC.

That's a little unfair. Houston is actually fairly similar to Pac-12 members in a number of ways. Houston is a large enrollment public, in a large city, with a diverse enrollment, and a tier one research classification by Carnegie. That's similar to a number of P12 schools. That said, Houston is not AAU (but neither are several existing P12 members) and is probably a step behind most of the Pac12 academically. While a step behind, UH is not as far off academically as you might think.

What Houston does do that Rice cant is provide a relatively large fan base for a G5, modern P5 like facilities, a wining reputation, and strong TV ratings in the city---all things Rice, with its tiny student body, will likely never be able to do--P5 or not. One thing most don't know, Houston TV ratings actually do surprising well in other major Texas cities like Austin, Dallas, and San Antonio.

Like 10th Mountain said, we aren't a Pac12 first choice---Thats UT and whoever they want. But if UT says no---Houston is probably a completely viable option to help anchor any P12 attempt to gain a presence in Texas.

I highly doubt Houston has any chance of getting a spot in the PAC. Academically and financially, Rice has much more to offer the PAC. No they don't have the new stadium, but Rice Stadium is historic and they certainly have the money to renovate and expand it, if it was necessary. Plus, Rice would certainly attract additional casual sports fans, if they were to move to the PAC.

Honestly, I can't see a reason why the PAC would look to add two universities in the same city. It just doesn't make sense. In my opinion, if the PAC wanted to be in Houston, Rice would be the logical choice. But, none of it really matters. I doubt the PAC is looking to expand with any Texas program not named UT.

Rice does nothing for the Pac12. The Pac12 needs a school that can attract viewership in Texas. Rice doesn't and wont do that. If it did, CUSA wouldn't be getting paid $200K a team. If all that mattered was academics then Rice would already be in the Pac12. Rice isn't even on the list of possibilities.

(04-07-2017 09:40 AM)Attackcoog Wrote:  Rice does nothing for the Pac12. The Pac12 needs a school that can attract viewership in Texas. Rice doesn't and wont do that. If it did, CUSA wouldn't be getting paid $200K a team. If all that mattered was academics then Rice would already be in the Pac12. Rice isn't even on the list of possibilities.

You must be a bit worried the way you are running down Rice in this thread. I think the summary here is that no one is going to the PAC without Bevo, but if Texas is going, we'll both get to strut our attributes.

(04-07-2017 10:18 AM)ESE84 Wrote:  

(04-07-2017 09:40 AM)Attackcoog Wrote:  Rice does nothing for the Pac12. The Pac12 needs a school that can attract viewership in Texas. Rice doesn't and wont do that. If it did, CUSA wouldn't be getting paid $200K a team. If all that mattered was academics then Rice would already be in the Pac12. Rice isn't even on the list of possibilities.

You must be a bit worried the way you are running down Rice in this thread. I think the summary here is that no one is going to the PAC without Bevo, but if Texas is going, we'll both get to strut our attributes.

I don't get the Rice trashing either. I mostly agree with you, except to say if the BIG12 collapsed, and Texas, Oklahoma, and Kansas all went to conferences other than the PAC12, and the PAC wanted to expand to 16, there is a likelyhood that Rice and Houston would be adds. Slim chance of all of that though.

(04-07-2017 10:18 AM)ESE84 Wrote:  

(04-07-2017 09:40 AM)Attackcoog Wrote:  Rice does nothing for the Pac12. The Pac12 needs a school that can attract viewership in Texas. Rice doesn't and wont do that. If it did, CUSA wouldn't be getting paid $200K a team. If all that mattered was academics then Rice would already be in the Pac12. Rice isn't even on the list of possibilities.

You must be a bit worried the way you are running down Rice in this thread. I think the summary here is that no one is going to the PAC without Bevo, but if Texas is going, we'll both get to strut our attributes.

lol. The entire thread largely consists of your CUSA mates running down UH trying to claim Rice is better. I just responded with the truth. They add nothing the Pac12 needs. Rice has academics. The Pac-12 already has that. They need viewership in Texas.

I generally try to get out to at least one Rice game a year--so I know exactly how well attended games are. I haven't "trashed" Rice. I have said they don't deliver viewership in Texas nor do they deliver a significant fan base in Texas. It is what it is. Great academic school---but that small student body/alumni base is hard to overcome. That said, everyone not named UT is a distant second in the Pac-12 beauty contest.

(04-04-2017 11:43 PM)_C2_ Wrote:  Houston and Rice would make the most sense. Rice has the academics the Pacific likes and even with a downsized stadium, it still is plenty big.

No they don't ^^^

Houston and SMU makes the most sense... The PAC absorbs both Texas #1 and #2 larger twin markets which equals far more than the whole state of Oklahoma.

Rice has the academics and reside in the same TV market. Frankly they make more sense than UH but would never be invited alone. Invite both them and UH and you solidify the Houston market rather than just have a presence. The Pac also likes teams in pairs.

(04-07-2017 10:32 AM)canewton Wrote:  I don't get the Rice trashing either. I mostly agree with you, except to say if the BIG12 collapsed, and Texas, Oklahoma, and Kansas all went to conferences other than the PAC12, and the PAC wanted to expand to 16, there is a likelyhood that Rice and Houston would be adds. Slim chance of all of that though.

Rice would get in on Academics alone, even if they were the last man standing. If you put a gut to the Pac10's head and told them to pick between them and Houston, it is Rice all day long, just because Stanford, USC and UCLA said so. That is where I think the real power in that Conference stands(as far as Schools).Heck, I would even say if the B1G was told to pick between Kansas and Rice, they take Rice first, and I am not even kidding......

(04-04-2017 11:00 PM)JRsec Wrote:  The PAC turned down OU and OSU because of OSU's academics. OSU's academics are better than Houston's

Among football-playing public schools in Texas, Houston already has the third-best (behind A&M and UT) freshman applicant pool by far, and that pool is quite large:

Freshman applications as reported by the schools to the Texas Higher Education Coordinating Board


Total Freshman Applications for 2016 (Popularity)
Texas State 22,703
Houston 20,520
Texas Tech 18,523
North Texas 15,715
UTSA 15,510

Top 10% Applicants (Quality Applicants)
Houston 4,004
Texas Tech 2,871
Texas State 2,825
UTSA 2,473
North Texas 2,367

Rejected Applicants that Enrolled in Another Texas Public University (Quality Rejections)
Houston 3,195
Texas Tech 2,290
Texas State 2,049
North Texas 1,275
UTSA 1,211

http://www.thecb.state.tx.us/Reports/PDF...N=36653063

These quality applicants and quality rejection numbers are confirmed by the average freshman SAT scores below. UH not only gets a ton of total applicants (a measure of popularity), but our applicant pool is significantly better than these other schools.

Average Enrolled Freshman SAT
Houston - 1145
Texas Tech - 1110
North Texas - 1090
UTSA - 1040
Texas State - 1025

Compare Oklahoma State (I don't have quality application or rejection data):

12,501 applications
1090 Avg SAT

(04-09-2017 10:19 AM)CougarRed Wrote:  

(04-04-2017 11:00 PM)JRsec Wrote:  The PAC turned down OU and OSU because of OSU's academics. OSU's academics are better than Houston's

Among football-playing public schools in Texas, Houston already has the third-best (behind A&M and UT) freshman applicant pool by far, and that pool is quite large:

Freshman applications as reported by the schools to the Texas Higher Education Coordinating Board


Total Freshman Applications for 2016 (Popularity)
Texas State 22,703
Houston 20,520
Texas Tech 18,523
North Texas 15,715
UTSA 15,510

Top 10% Applicants (Quality Applicants)
Houston 4,004
Texas Tech 2,871
Texas State 2,825
UTSA 2,473
North Texas 2,367

Rejected Applicants that Enrolled in Another Texas Public University (Quality Rejections)
Houston 3,195
Texas Tech 2,290
Texas State 2,049
North Texas 1,275
UTSA 1,211

http://www.thecb.state.tx.us/Reports/PDF...N=36653063

These quality applicants and quality rejection numbers are confirmed by the average freshman SAT scores below. UH not only gets a ton of total applicants (a measure of popularity), but our applicant pool is significantly better than these other schools.

Average Enrolled Freshman SAT
Houston - 1145
Texas Tech - 1110
North Texas - 1090
UTSA - 1040
Texas State - 1025

Compare Oklahoma State (I don't have quality application or rejection data):

12,501 applications
1090 Avg SAT

For completeness, it must be noted that UTD would do very well on these measures, although it is a smaller school.

(04-09-2017 12:50 PM)bullet Wrote:  

(04-09-2017 10:19 AM)CougarRed Wrote:  

(04-04-2017 11:00 PM)JRsec Wrote:  The PAC turned down OU and OSU because of OSU's academics. OSU's academics are better than Houston's

Among football-playing public schools in Texas, Houston already has the third-best (behind A&M and UT) freshman applicant pool by far, and that pool is quite large:

Freshman applications as reported by the schools to the Texas Higher Education Coordinating Board


Total Freshman Applications for 2016 (Popularity)
Texas State 22,703
Houston 20,520
Texas Tech 18,523
North Texas 15,715
UTSA 15,510

Top 10% Applicants (Quality Applicants)
Houston 4,004
Texas Tech 2,871
Texas State 2,825
UTSA 2,473
North Texas 2,367

Rejected Applicants that Enrolled in Another Texas Public University (Quality Rejections)
Houston 3,195
Texas Tech 2,290
Texas State 2,049
North Texas 1,275
UTSA 1,211

http://www.thecb.state.tx.us/Reports/PDF...N=36653063

These quality applicants and quality rejection numbers are confirmed by the average freshman SAT scores below. UH not only gets a ton of total applicants (a measure of popularity), but our applicant pool is significantly better than these other schools.

Average Enrolled Freshman SAT
Houston - 1145
Texas Tech - 1110
North Texas - 1090
UTSA - 1040
Texas State - 1025

Compare Oklahoma State (I don't have quality application or rejection data):

12,501 applications
1090 Avg SAT

For completeness, it must be noted that UTD would do very well on these measures, although it is a smaller school.

I think that's worth noting. I don't know where they'd land, but it's kind of a moot point because they don't offer varsity athletics at D1.

UT-Dallas is a fine school. Substantially smaller than those listed above, but very good.

(04-09-2017 10:19 AM)CougarRed Wrote:  

(04-04-2017 11:00 PM)JRsec Wrote:  The PAC turned down OU and OSU because of OSU's academics. OSU's academics are better than Houston's

Among football-playing public schools in Texas, Houston already has the third-best (behind A&M and UT) freshman applicant pool by far, and that pool is quite large:

Freshman applications as reported by the schools to the Texas Higher Education Coordinating Board


Total Freshman Applications for 2016 (Popularity)
Texas State 22,703
Houston 20,520
Texas Tech 18,523
North Texas 15,715
UTSA 15,510

Top 10% Applicants (Quality Applicants)
Houston 4,004
Texas Tech 2,871
Texas State 2,825
UTSA 2,473
North Texas 2,367

Rejected Applicants that Enrolled in Another Texas Public University (Quality Rejections)
Houston 3,195
Texas Tech 2,290
Texas State 2,049
North Texas 1,275
UTSA 1,211

http://www.thecb.state.tx.us/Reports/PDF...N=36653063

These quality applicants and quality rejection numbers are confirmed by the average freshman SAT scores below. UH not only gets a ton of total applicants (a measure of popularity), but our applicant pool is significantly better than these other schools.

Average Enrolled Freshman SAT
Houston - 1145
Texas Tech - 1110
North Texas - 1090
UTSA - 1040
Texas State - 1025

Compare Oklahoma State (I don't have quality application or rejection data):

12,501 applications
1090 Avg SAT

Interesting numbers. Where is Texas, Texas A&M, and UTEP?

(04-09-2017 03:16 PM)Side Show Joe Wrote:  Interesting numbers. Where is Texas, Texas A&M, and UTEP?

Off the charts. UT and A&M in a good way. UTEP in a bad way.

UTD has been hesitant about even considering the move to D2

http://www.thecb.state.tx.us/reports/pdf...N=50302876

These are the criteria for the Texas Tier I fund (NRUF). Houston and Texas Tech aren't listed as they have already met the criteria. UTD is, for the most part, well ahead of the rest.

I got my degree at UTD and I can tell you it's a great research university. Of course I'm biased but it's the 3rd best public school in the state behind UT and A&M.

As for athletics, they'll stay in Div III. The last thing DFW needs is another Div I school that struggles with fan support. They might develop their baseball program to Dallas Baptist level but that's the ceiling for UTD.

(04-10-2017 08:51 AM)UTEPDallas Wrote:  I got my degree at UTD and I can tell you it's a great research university. Of course I'm biased but it's the 3rd best public school in the state behind UT and A&M.

As for athletics, they'll stay in Div III. The last thing DFW needs is another Div I school that struggles with fan support. They might develop their baseball program to Dallas Baptist level but that's the ceiling for UTD.

UT-Dallas is #3 in Texas in business at least, and they're spending big money to get better. My dean at Purdue said UTD was "money-whipping" good established business professors at other schools to entice them to move. We're talking paying 50% more than any job offer from any other school in the country.

The only other school doing that in their business school was Missouri, and they're not in a position to money-whip any more.

(04-05-2017 01:22 PM)miko33 Wrote:  

(04-04-2017 09:57 PM)Native Georgian Wrote:  Col. Kurtz ... the guy that went batsh*t insane in "Apocalypse Now"... but he somehow survived 'Nam and now he's pitching realignment scenarios! awesome

Fun fact - Kurtz was originally an ivory trader in the book "Heart of Darkness". Intended to showcase the Congo Free State, King Leopold of Belgium and all of the evils done in this time period.

There were many evils perpetrated in Colonial Africa, and there have been many evils since (genocide). And there were many evils before Colonial rule, especially on the Ivory Coast. Skinning men alive and making them run until they die (Belgium Congo) is right up there with necklacing (tires & petrol set ablaze).

The truly sad part is that there are so many innocents there that remain victims of thuggery, whether delivered by Africans or Europeans.