(04-05-2017 11:19 PM)NoDak Wrote:  The MVC now has 5 MVFC spots, the Summit has four (5 in 2020) and the Horizon has one. The MVC needs one more to maintain its edge and possibly get an FCS autobid for the MVC alone in the future.

But like I said ... why would the five Summit members (OK, perhaps ND won't get to vote on this one) let the MVC add another team??

(04-06-2017 10:32 AM)billybobby777 Wrote:  

(04-06-2017 10:11 AM)SubGod22 Wrote:  

(04-06-2017 09:42 AM)billybobby777 Wrote:  

(04-06-2017 09:38 AM)jgkojak Wrote:  Back on topic -

WSU has been wanting to explore football. Seems like the AAC gives them an opportunity, when they bite the bullet, to get that football program going and have games that actually attract some attention/revenue.

I don't know about that. I don't think Wichita St is interested in starting up football anymore number 1. And number 2, I don't think the AAC would allow Wichita St to join a start up football program to the conference. I'd be surprised if the AAC didn't have that covered in the language of Wichita St's application info.

1. Getting into the American doesn't diminish the presidents interest in football as it would/could still go a long way in accomplishing his long term goals.

2. The AAC can't prevent Wichita from starting football. And nobody is saying the AAC would allow us easy entry into the conference for football. It is believed that having a football program may open that door down the road. Plus, if there are other shakeups in the future, having football could keep some doors open.

But outside of that, attracting and keeping students as well as creating a better on campus atmosphere for students is a big part of our president looking into football. He hasn't been shy about his personal desire for football.

Do you think Wichita St will reinstate football soon?

A lot depends on whose rumors are correct. I've heard that startup costs are pretty much covered already with pledges from donors should we proceed. That number has been reported to be in the 40M-50M range. Some seem to think that not enough donors are interested in getting that done. I do know President Bardo wants it to happen and he's been good at accomplishing his goals up to this point.

(04-06-2017 10:34 AM)MplsBison Wrote:  

(04-05-2017 11:19 PM)NoDak Wrote:  The MVC now has 5 MVFC spots, the Summit has four (5 in 2020) and the Horizon has one. The MVC needs one more to maintain its edge and possibly get an FCS autobid for the MVC alone in the future.

But like I said ... why would the five Summit members (OK, perhaps ND won't get to vote on this one) let the MVC add another team??

UND will be consulted no matter what. They have a vested interest and I can guarantee UND, NDSU, SDSU and USD are all talking right now and monitoring the situation closely. NDSU and UND's hate for each other aside, a poor decision by the MVC will have a negative affect on both schools.

As for what we can and cannot do in regards to the MVC opening? We can talk to our peers in the MVFC and inform them of our opinions but we cannot stop them from inviting who they choose. That said, if they choose unwisely and their decision has a negative affect on us, we will, and that is all FOUR schools, begin looking at our options away from the MVFC.

The AAC should tell the shockers no invite if you start football and you will be kicked out if you do post invite. The AAC has no need to bring them in or let their brand be diluted with them playing in another league.

(04-06-2017 12:07 PM)SubGod22 Wrote:  

(04-06-2017 10:32 AM)billybobby777 Wrote:  

(04-06-2017 10:11 AM)SubGod22 Wrote:  

(04-06-2017 09:42 AM)billybobby777 Wrote:  

(04-06-2017 09:38 AM)jgkojak Wrote:  Back on topic -

WSU has been wanting to explore football. Seems like the AAC gives them an opportunity, when they bite the bullet, to get that football program going and have games that actually attract some attention/revenue.

I don't know about that. I don't think Wichita St is interested in starting up football anymore number 1. And number 2, I don't think the AAC would allow Wichita St to join a start up football program to the conference. I'd be surprised if the AAC didn't have that covered in the language of Wichita St's application info.

1. Getting into the American doesn't diminish the presidents interest in football as it would/could still go a long way in accomplishing his long term goals.

2. The AAC can't prevent Wichita from starting football. And nobody is saying the AAC would allow us easy entry into the conference for football. It is believed that having a football program may open that door down the road. Plus, if there are other shakeups in the future, having football could keep some doors open.

But outside of that, attracting and keeping students as well as creating a better on campus atmosphere for students is a big part of our president looking into football. He hasn't been shy about his personal desire for football.

Do you think Wichita St will reinstate football soon?

A lot depends on whose rumors are correct. I've heard that startup costs are pretty much covered already with pledges from donors should we proceed. That number has been reported to be in the 40M-50M range. Some seem to think that not enough donors are interested in getting that done. I do know President Bardo wants it to happen and he's been good at accomplishing his goals up to this point.

Why would WSU start FB now? No way the AAC allow you, as a start up to play FB in their conference. Which means independent FBS, Independent FCS or find an FCS conference (MVFC will not invite you).

I personally think Bardo wisely used the discussion about starting up FB to get himself an invite into a much better basketball conference. Mission accomplished.

(04-06-2017 12:13 PM)jacksfan29 Wrote:  

(04-06-2017 12:07 PM)SubGod22 Wrote:  

(04-06-2017 10:32 AM)billybobby777 Wrote:  

(04-06-2017 10:11 AM)SubGod22 Wrote:  

(04-06-2017 09:42 AM)billybobby777 Wrote:  I don't know about that. I don't think Wichita St is interested in starting up football anymore number 1. And number 2, I don't think the AAC would allow Wichita St to join a start up football program to the conference. I'd be surprised if the AAC didn't have that covered in the language of Wichita St's application info.

1. Getting into the American doesn't diminish the presidents interest in football as it would/could still go a long way in accomplishing his long term goals.

2. The AAC can't prevent Wichita from starting football. And nobody is saying the AAC would allow us easy entry into the conference for football. It is believed that having a football program may open that door down the road. Plus, if there are other shakeups in the future, having football could keep some doors open.

But outside of that, attracting and keeping students as well as creating a better on campus atmosphere for students is a big part of our president looking into football. He hasn't been shy about his personal desire for football.

Do you think Wichita St will reinstate football soon?

A lot depends on whose rumors are correct. I've heard that startup costs are pretty much covered already with pledges from donors should we proceed. That number has been reported to be in the 40M-50M range. Some seem to think that not enough donors are interested in getting that done. I do know President Bardo wants it to happen and he's been good at accomplishing his goals up to this point.

Why would WSU start FB now? No way the AAC allow you, as a start up to play FB in their conference. Which means independent FBS, Independent FCS or find an FCS conference (MVFC will not invite you).

I personally think Bardo wisely used the discussion about starting up FB to get himself an invite into a much better basketball conference. Mission accomplished.

You obviously don't know Bardo. His desire for returning football to campus goes way beyond just getting into a better conference. And nobody has ever claimed we'd slide right into the AAC.

If we bring it back and do it right, we build it up slowly and if we have to move to FBS indy for a while so be it. Having football isn't going to dilute basketball. Basketball will always be top priority here. But we could build up a decent football program in time which would do a lot to compliment that as well as create a better campus environment.

(04-06-2017 12:18 PM)SubGod22 Wrote:  

(04-06-2017 12:13 PM)jacksfan29 Wrote:  

(04-06-2017 12:07 PM)SubGod22 Wrote:  

(04-06-2017 10:32 AM)billybobby777 Wrote:  

(04-06-2017 10:11 AM)SubGod22 Wrote:  1. Getting into the American doesn't diminish the presidents interest in football as it would/could still go a long way in accomplishing his long term goals.

2. The AAC can't prevent Wichita from starting football. And nobody is saying the AAC would allow us easy entry into the conference for football. It is believed that having a football program may open that door down the road. Plus, if there are other shakeups in the future, having football could keep some doors open.

But outside of that, attracting and keeping students as well as creating a better on campus atmosphere for students is a big part of our president looking into football. He hasn't been shy about his personal desire for football.

Do you think Wichita St will reinstate football soon?

A lot depends on whose rumors are correct. I've heard that startup costs are pretty much covered already with pledges from donors should we proceed. That number has been reported to be in the 40M-50M range. Some seem to think that not enough donors are interested in getting that done. I do know President Bardo wants it to happen and he's been good at accomplishing his goals up to this point.

Why would WSU start FB now? No way the AAC allow you, as a start up to play FB in their conference. Which means independent FBS, Independent FCS or find an FCS conference (MVFC will not invite you).

I personally think Bardo wisely used the discussion about starting up FB to get himself an invite into a much better basketball conference. Mission accomplished.

You obviously don't know Bardo. His desire for returning football to campus goes way beyond just getting into a better conference. And nobody has ever claimed we'd slide right into the AAC.

If we bring it back and do it right, we build it up slowly and if we have to move to FBS indy for a while so be it. Having football isn't going to dilute basketball. Basketball will always be top priority here. But we could build up a decent football program in time which would do a lot to compliment that as well as create a better campus environment.

Good luck. My guess is WSU would do it right but it would be an expensive, and difficult process. I know the Koch's have deep pockets, but you better be sure to get their support up front and the money in hand.

(04-06-2017 12:09 PM)jacksfan29 Wrote:  

(04-06-2017 10:34 AM)MplsBison Wrote:  

(04-05-2017 11:19 PM)NoDak Wrote:  The MVC now has 5 MVFC spots, the Summit has four (5 in 2020) and the Horizon has one. The MVC needs one more to maintain its edge and possibly get an FCS autobid for the MVC alone in the future.

But like I said ... why would the five Summit members (OK, perhaps ND won't get to vote on this one) let the MVC add another team??

UND will be consulted no matter what. They have a vested interest and I can guarantee UND, NDSU, SDSU and USD are all talking right now and monitoring the situation closely. NDSU and UND's hate for each other aside, a poor decision by the MVC will have a negative affect on both schools.

As for what we can and cannot do in regards to the MVC opening? We can talk to our peers in the MVFC and inform them of our opinions but we cannot stop them from inviting who they choose. That said, if they choose unwisely and their decision has a negative affect on us, we will, and that is all FOUR schools, begin looking at our options away from the MVFC.

How would they feel about Murray State?

(04-06-2017 12:27 PM)jacksfan29 Wrote:  

(04-06-2017 12:18 PM)SubGod22 Wrote:  

(04-06-2017 12:13 PM)jacksfan29 Wrote:  

(04-06-2017 12:07 PM)SubGod22 Wrote:  

(04-06-2017 10:32 AM)billybobby777 Wrote:  Do you think Wichita St will reinstate football soon?

A lot depends on whose rumors are correct. I've heard that startup costs are pretty much covered already with pledges from donors should we proceed. That number has been reported to be in the 40M-50M range. Some seem to think that not enough donors are interested in getting that done. I do know President Bardo wants it to happen and he's been good at accomplishing his goals up to this point.

Why would WSU start FB now? No way the AAC allow you, as a start up to play FB in their conference. Which means independent FBS, Independent FCS or find an FCS conference (MVFC will not invite you).

I personally think Bardo wisely used the discussion about starting up FB to get himself an invite into a much better basketball conference. Mission accomplished.

You obviously don't know Bardo. His desire for returning football to campus goes way beyond just getting into a better conference. And nobody has ever claimed we'd slide right into the AAC.

If we bring it back and do it right, we build it up slowly and if we have to move to FBS indy for a while so be it. Having football isn't going to dilute basketball. Basketball will always be top priority here. But we could build up a decent football program in time which would do a lot to compliment that as well as create a better campus environment.

Good luck. My guess is WSU would do it right but it would be an expensive, and difficult process. I know the Koch's have deep pockets, but you better be sure to get their support up front and the money in hand.

Again, I've heard the money has already been pledged. We have a lot more than just Charles Koch as a deep pocket donor. And President Bardo is a smart man. Time will tell if it happens or not. I'm just saying getting into the AAC doesn't kill it as there was more to it than just that to begin with.

But there's no way we'd do it and not do it the right way. That may mean a number of years in FCS building the program. It may end up with FBS independence to prove our worth at the next level. I'm not thinking we'd ever be national title contenders, but I do believe we can build a solid program that could find some success.

I do know that I would be a season ticket holder should it happen.

If Wichita State wanted to play FCS football for a while, why not affiliate with the Ohio Valley or the Southland for that?

(04-06-2017 12:34 PM)SMUfan Wrote:  

(04-06-2017 12:09 PM)jacksfan29 Wrote:  

(04-06-2017 10:34 AM)MplsBison Wrote:  

(04-05-2017 11:19 PM)NoDak Wrote:  The MVC now has 5 MVFC spots, the Summit has four (5 in 2020) and the Horizon has one. The MVC needs one more to maintain its edge and possibly get an FCS autobid for the MVC alone in the future.

But like I said ... why would the five Summit members (OK, perhaps ND won't get to vote on this one) let the MVC add another team??

UND will be consulted no matter what. They have a vested interest and I can guarantee UND, NDSU, SDSU and USD are all talking right now and monitoring the situation closely. NDSU and UND's hate for each other aside, a poor decision by the MVC will have a negative affect on both schools.

As for what we can and cannot do in regards to the MVC opening? We can talk to our peers in the MVFC and inform them of our opinions but we cannot stop them from inviting who they choose. That said, if they choose unwisely and their decision has a negative affect on us, we will, and that is all FOUR schools, begin looking at our options away from the MVFC.

How would they feel about Murray State?

The Dakota schools have never shied away from reasonable travel. It's the MVC schools that have pitched a fit about going to the Dakotas.

Remember, AAC could still be picked apart for their football schools. If and when Wichita State adds football? They could easily slipped into the west if need be. UMass. Old Dominion and Southern Mississippi are the top choice for replacement.

(04-06-2017 12:09 PM)jacksfan29 Wrote:  As for what we can and cannot do in regards to the MVC opening? We can talk to our peers in the MVFC and inform them of our opinions but we cannot stop them from inviting who they choose.

The MVC can do as it pleases and invite whomever it wants. That is not the business of the Summit football schools. What is their business, is if the MVC promises a MVFC slot to a potential MVC candidate.

I don't think that will happen. Valpo (non-scholarship football, same as Drake) or UIC (no football) are the front runners, and I think the teams that will be take (one or both).

(04-06-2017 01:46 PM)NoDak Wrote:  The Dakota schools have never shied away from reasonable travel. It's the MVC schools that have pitched a fit about going to the Dakotas.

100% correct.

(04-06-2017 03:07 PM)MplsBison Wrote:  

(04-06-2017 12:09 PM)jacksfan29 Wrote:  As for what we can and cannot do in regards to the MVC opening? We can talk to our peers in the MVFC and inform them of our opinions but we cannot stop them from inviting who they choose.

The MVC can do as it pleases and invite whomever it wants. That is not the business of the Summit football schools. What is their business, is if the MVC promises a MVFC slot to a potential MVC candidate.

I don't think that will happen. Valpo (non-scholarship football, same as Drake) or UIC (no football) are the front runners, and I think the teams that will be take (one or both).

(04-06-2017 01:46 PM)NoDak Wrote:  The Dakota schools have never shied away from reasonable travel. It's the MVC schools that have pitched a fit about going to the Dakotas.

100% correct.

Pretty much everyone getting mention is non-football.

Well, Murray St was just being thrown around. That's why I said that.

Dakota schools I don't think have much interest traveling to Kentucky for a conf football game every other year each. No more than to IN St or MO St.

(04-06-2017 03:53 PM)arkstfan Wrote:  

(04-06-2017 03:07 PM)MplsBison Wrote:  

(04-06-2017 12:09 PM)jacksfan29 Wrote:  As for what we can and cannot do in regards to the MVC opening? We can talk to our peers in the MVFC and inform them of our opinions but we cannot stop them from inviting who they choose.

The MVC can do as it pleases and invite whomever it wants. That is not the business of the Summit football schools. What is their business, is if the MVC promises a MVFC slot to a potential MVC candidate.

I don't think that will happen. Valpo (non-scholarship football, same as Drake) or UIC (no football) are the front runners, and I think the teams that will be take (one or both).

(04-06-2017 01:46 PM)NoDak Wrote:  The Dakota schools have never shied away from reasonable travel. It's the MVC schools that have pitched a fit about going to the Dakotas.

100% correct.

Pretty much everyone getting mention is non-football.

Well they wouldn't exactly be adding a football school. They are already in the football league.

Not sure if already posted, but this just caught my eye.

http://www.tribstar.com/sports/local_col...f620c.html

Quote:• Grand Canyon ($4.3 million, wins: 16.2, attendance: 5,805) — Surprised to see the Phoenix-based for-profit school on the list? Rumor is that GCU, which is very well-funded and has drawn well, wants in the MVC and might be willing to spend the dollars necessary to make it happen. Former NBA star Dan Majerle is the coach there. Obstacles are numerous. Distance, lack of institutional fit chief among them.

If GCU wants in, MVC would be utter morons not to expand with GCU, NMSU & whoever.

(04-06-2017 04:44 PM)IWokeUpLikeThis Wrote:  Not sure if already posted, but this just caught my eye.

http://www.tribstar.com/sports/local_col...f620c.html

Quote:• Grand Canyon ($4.3 million, wins: 16.2, attendance: 5,805) — Surprised to see the Phoenix-based for-profit school on the list? Rumor is that GCU, which is very well-funded and has drawn well, wants in the MVC and might be willing to spend the dollars necessary to make it happen. Former NBA star Dan Majerle is the coach there. Obstacles are numerous. Distance, lack of institutional fit chief among them.

If GCU wants in, MVC would be utter morons not to expand with GCU, NMSU & whoever.

You got your statement backwards, the MVC would be utterly moronic to expand southwest.

(04-06-2017 03:53 PM)arkstfan Wrote:  

(04-06-2017 03:07 PM)MplsBison Wrote:  

(04-06-2017 12:09 PM)jacksfan29 Wrote:  As for what we can and cannot do in regards to the MVC opening? We can talk to our peers in the MVFC and inform them of our opinions but we cannot stop them from inviting who they choose.

The MVC can do as it pleases and invite whomever it wants. That is not the business of the Summit football schools. What is their business, is if the MVC promises a MVFC slot to a potential MVC candidate.

I don't think that will happen. Valpo (non-scholarship football, same as Drake) or UIC (no football) are the front runners, and I think the teams that will be take (one or both).

(04-06-2017 01:46 PM)NoDak Wrote:  The Dakota schools have never shied away from reasonable travel. It's the MVC schools that have pitched a fit about going to the Dakotas.

100% correct.

Pretty much everyone getting mention is non-football.

Your right, they can do as they please and I expect them to. The only exception is if they invite Murray who would need to be blessed by the Summit schools if they want an MVFC slot.

That said, an unstable Summit is not to the benefit of the MVC FB schools. The conference may have Missouri Valley in the name, but it is the Summit schools, specifically, NDSU and SDSU who run the show.

The UND invite, surprisingly agreed upon by the financially strapped MVC FB schools may have been a precursor to them knowing WSU was leaving. They told us for years UND would never get in, suddenly UND get an invite. Looking back one now has to wonder.

(04-06-2017 04:44 PM)IWokeUpLikeThis Wrote:  Not sure if already posted, but this just caught my eye.

http://www.tribstar.com/sports/local_col...f620c.html

Quote:• Grand Canyon ($4.3 million, wins: 16.2, attendance: 5,805) — Surprised to see the Phoenix-based for-profit school on the list? Rumor is that GCU, which is very well-funded and has drawn well, wants in the MVC and might be willing to spend the dollars necessary to make it happen. Former NBA star Dan Majerle is the coach there. Obstacles are numerous. Distance, lack of institutional fit chief among them.

If GCU wants in, MVC would be utter morons not to expand with GCU, NMSU & whoever.

The MVC taking GCU would be hilarious. I can see it now. All those great, academically proud private institutions in the MVC who made fun of Wichita State's academics promoting their new buddy, Grand Canyon University, a for profit school which the University of Denver ran from when they were invited to the WAC. Good stuff.