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RE: Wichita State
(04-04-2017 09:56 PM)salukiblue Wrote:  
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(04-04-2017 07:05 PM)TIGERCITY Wrote:  They have some rich boosters - no?

Yes, the Koch Brothers. They are worth about 36 times more than Fred Smith.


Well, looking at several recent hires where named schools threw money and didn't get their man, I think it's easy to say money isn't what it's all about.

Good thing that's not what anybody here said. Not even close. But eay and
excellent point if someone did.

Huh?

In the context of WSU sustaining beyond Gregg people keep saying the Koch money will keep WSU relevant.

The Kochs are very interested funding higher education. One of the more interesting economic departments in the country is the Mercatus Center at George Mason University which is funded by them.

They have attempted to open more of these institutes across the country, but typicality run into issues with the more left wing faculty. The Kochs will typically pull the money if they don't get their way.

I say all this to point out. The Koch's money always have strings attached. WSU is attempting to open an free enterprise institute. [1] If that doesn't happen, I would expect the funding to keep Greg might disappear.

But the Koch's have given something on the order of 20M+ to WSU. So I think the Koch's will get their way.

I wouldn't be surprised if Memphis borrows some of the ideas from WSU. This innovation campus looks cool. [2]


[1] - http://www.kansas.com/news/local/educati...07177.html
[2] - http://wsuinnovationcampus.org/
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(04-05-2017 09:11 AM)FlyingTiger2016 Wrote:  
(04-04-2017 09:56 PM)salukiblue Wrote:  
(04-04-2017 09:20 PM)TIGERCITY Wrote:  
(04-04-2017 09:15 PM)salukiblue Wrote:  
(04-04-2017 07:59 PM)Tiger1983 Wrote:  Yes, the Koch Brothers. They are worth about 36 times more than Fred Smith.


Well, looking at several recent hires where named schools threw money and didn't get their man, I think it's easy to say money isn't what it's all about.

Good thing that's not what anybody here said. Not even close. But eay and
excellent point if someone did.

Huh?

In the context of WSU sustaining beyond Gregg people keep saying the Koch money will keep WSU relevant.

The Kochs are very interested funding higher education. One of the more interesting economic departments in the country is the Mercatus Center at George Mason University which is funded by them.

They have attempted to open more of these institutes across the country, but typicality run into issues with the more left wing faculty. The Kochs will typically pull the money if they don't get their way.

I say all this to point out. The Koch's money always have strings attached. WSU is attempting to open an free enterprise institute. [1] If that doesn't happen, I would expect the funding to keep Greg might disappear.

But the Koch's have given something on the order of 20M+ to WSU. So I think the Koch's will get their way.

I wouldn't be surprised if Memphis borrows some of the ideas from WSU. This innovation campus looks cool. [2]


[1] - http://www.kansas.com/news/local/educati...07177.html
[2] - http://wsuinnovationcampus.org/

Actually, the innovation campus might be a good idea for the Fair Grounds. Midtown could use an mixed use research park specializing in technology with the University of Memphis as the main anchor.

But If something isn't in Downtown Memphis it's not going to happen. :(
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Here are the Shockers' Sagarin Ratings during the Marshall Era:

2008 = 165
2009 = 128
2010 = 67
2011 = 23
2012 = 15
2013 = 13
2014 = 11
2015 = 14
2016 = 20
2017 = 11
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(04-05-2017 09:25 AM)jamgut Wrote:  Here are the Shockers' Sagarin Ratings during the Marshall Era:

2008 = 165
2009 = 128
2010 = 67
2011 = 23
2012 = 15
2013 = 13
2014 = 11
2015 = 14
2016 = 20
2017 = 11

No doubt WSU is a great pickup as long as Gregg is the hc.

My fear would be that he has his best team ever coming into 2017-18 and does what he does and realizes it's time to move on (seven seniors on next year's roster).

Perhaps the elevated position of the AAC is enough for him to stay. I guess a lot of that will unfold over the course of next season.
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Best team name in College Basketball
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(04-04-2017 09:56 PM)salukiblue Wrote:  
(04-04-2017 09:20 PM)TIGERCITY Wrote:  
(04-04-2017 09:15 PM)salukiblue Wrote:  
(04-04-2017 07:59 PM)Tiger1983 Wrote:  
(04-04-2017 07:05 PM)TIGERCITY Wrote:  They have some rich boosters - no?

Yes, the Koch Brothers. They are worth about 36 times more than Fred Smith.


Well, looking at several recent hires where named schools threw money and didn't get their man, I think it's easy to say money isn't what it's all about.

Good thing that's not what anybody here said. Not even close. But eay and
excellent point if someone did.

Huh?

In the context of WSU sustaining beyond Gregg people keep saying the Koch money will keep WSU relevant.

Thing is, the program has some history. And Turgeon was actually the one who got them rolling in this latest era. Marshall took it to another level. They've shown they have staying power.

Much less concerned with adding them, than I am what to do with Tulane. ECU and USF aren't any better - but they occasionally add value in football.
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(04-05-2017 08:52 AM)tigerlands Wrote:  
(04-04-2017 04:30 PM)Tiger87 Wrote:  
(04-04-2017 04:14 PM)tigerlands Wrote:  Good for the AAC, maybe good/maybe bad for Memphis, especially if we have to play them twice. I don't see why WSU is doing it. They might make a bit more money, not much. They can rule the MVC and still get a higher seed if they just add to their OOC schedule. Gonzaga got a #1 seed in a terrible conference (so did the Tigers under Cal). Its a mistake for WSU. I'm sure they are looking to take the same path as Creighton did.

More money, better seeding, better exposure, better scheduling. Also, not having to win the conference tourney every year helps. Less pressure from that standpoint in multiple bid leagues.

They are past the point of having to win their conference tournament. They get bids whether they win or lose. All they have to do is beef up their sked. They will take a few lumps in the AAC. But they should do well in the AAC, at least for next year.

The scheduling is the thing, though. They can't beef it up because no "power schools" will play them. We've run into a lot of the same issues. So we have to ban together as "non-powers".

And there were some naysayers this year that said they had to win their conf tourney to be assured a spot.

Even if you don't believe any of that - money, exposures, seeding, scheduling are good enough reasons.
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RE: Wichita State
(04-05-2017 09:38 AM)salukiblue Wrote:  
(04-05-2017 09:25 AM)jamgut Wrote:  Here are the Shockers' Sagarin Ratings during the Marshall Era:

2008 = 165
2009 = 128
2010 = 67
2011 = 23
2012 = 15
2013 = 13
2014 = 11
2015 = 14
2016 = 20
2017 = 11

No doubt WSU is a great pickup as long as Gregg is the hc.

My fear would be that he has his best team ever coming into 2017-18 and does what he does and realizes it's time to move on (seven seniors on next year's roster).

Perhaps the elevated position of the AAC is enough for him to stay. I guess a lot of that will unfold over the course of next season.

You bring up another point. A factor to this could also be a way to make the job more appealing to Marshall long term.
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RE: Wichita State
(04-05-2017 09:38 AM)salukiblue Wrote:  
(04-05-2017 09:25 AM)jamgut Wrote:  

No doubt WSU is a great pickup as long as Gregg is the hc.

My fear would be that he has his best team ever coming into 2017-18 and does what he does and realizes it's time to move on (seven seniors on next year's roster).

Perhaps the elevated position of the AAC is enough for him to stay. I guess a lot of that will unfold over the course of next season.

No doubt Marshall could leave, but I bet he's more like a Few at Gonzaga and stays.

At Wichita State, he's a hero, almost beyond criticism. If Marshall goes to Duke, he's a hired gun, expected to match or exceed what Coach K accomplished.

Charlie Strong found out real quick how much fun that was at Texas.
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(04-04-2017 04:29 PM)bubbapt Wrote:  Who's goin' to Wichita!

I loved Wichita. The ratio of men to women there was about 4:1. It's not much to look at but I had a blast there for about 3 months once back in the 80's.
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(04-04-2017 04:58 PM)fsquid Wrote:  
(04-04-2017 04:29 PM)bubbapt Wrote:  Who's goin' to Wichita!

not a fan of Nebraska.

It is BORING countryside.
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(04-05-2017 10:06 AM)TigerBlue4Ever Wrote:  
(04-04-2017 04:29 PM)bubbapt Wrote:  Who's goin' to Wichita!

I loved Wichita. The ratio of men to women there was about 4:1...I had a blast there for about 3 months once back in the 80's.

Mmmmmmmmkay.
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(04-05-2017 06:13 AM)fsquid Wrote:  
(04-04-2017 08:21 PM)Atlanta Wrote:  
(04-04-2017 04:58 PM)fsquid Wrote:  
(04-04-2017 04:29 PM)bubbapt Wrote:  Who's goin' to Wichita!

not a fan of Nebraska.

check your map........
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whoooooosh
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(04-05-2017 09:00 AM)salukiblue Wrote:  
(04-05-2017 08:52 AM)tigerlands Wrote:  
(04-04-2017 04:30 PM)Tiger87 Wrote:  
(04-04-2017 04:14 PM)tigerlands Wrote:  Good for the AAC, maybe good/maybe bad for Memphis, especially if we have to play them twice. I don't see why WSU is doing it. They might make a bit more money, not much. They can rule the MVC and still get a higher seed if they just add to their OOC schedule. Gonzaga got a #1 seed in a terrible conference (so did the Tigers under Cal). Its a mistake for WSU. I'm sure they are looking to take the same path as Creighton did.

More money, better seeding, better exposure, better scheduling. Also, not having to win the conference tourney every year helps. Less pressure from that standpoint in multiple bid leagues.

They are past the point of having to win their conference tournament. They get bids whether they win or lose. All they have to do is beef up their sked. They will take a few lumps in the AAC. But they should do well in the AAC, at least for next year.

I'll be interested, for sure.

Most of the MVC isn't very good and the travel is pretty easy.

Hopefully, the AAC will give them two games vs. us, UConn, SMU, and Cinci.

The travel could be something for them to have to get used to.

Those jet planes go purty fast these days I hear.
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(04-05-2017 09:24 AM)FlyingTiger2016 Wrote:  
(04-05-2017 09:11 AM)FlyingTiger2016 Wrote:  
(04-04-2017 09:56 PM)salukiblue Wrote:  
(04-04-2017 09:20 PM)TIGERCITY Wrote:  
(04-04-2017 09:15 PM)salukiblue Wrote:  Well, looking at several recent hires where named schools threw money and didn't get their man, I think it's easy to say money isn't what it's all about.

Good thing that's not what anybody here said. Not even close. But eay and
excellent point if someone did.

Huh?

In the context of WSU sustaining beyond Gregg people keep saying the Koch money will keep WSU relevant.

The Kochs are very interested funding higher education. One of the more interesting economic departments in the country is the Mercatus Center at George Mason University which is funded by them.

They have attempted to open more of these institutes across the country, but typicality run into issues with the more left wing faculty. The Kochs will typically pull the money if they don't get their way.

I say all this to point out. The Koch's money always have strings attached. WSU is attempting to open an free enterprise institute. [1] If that doesn't happen, I would expect the funding to keep Greg might disappear.

But the Koch's have given something on the order of 20M+ to WSU. So I think the Koch's will get their way.

I wouldn't be surprised if Memphis borrows some of the ideas from WSU. This innovation campus looks cool. [2]


[1] - http://www.kansas.com/news/local/educati...07177.html
[2] - http://wsuinnovationcampus.org/

Actually, the innovation campus might be a good idea for the Fair Grounds. Midtown could use an mixed use research park specializing in technology with the University of Memphis as the main anchor.

But If something isn't in Downtown Memphis it's not going to happen. :(

It might not rival Charlottes Research Triangle but that's excellent thinking and a great start.
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(04-05-2017 10:07 AM)salukiblue Wrote:  
(04-05-2017 10:06 AM)TigerBlue4Ever Wrote:  
(04-04-2017 04:29 PM)bubbapt Wrote:  Who's goin' to Wichita!

I loved Wichita. The ratio of men to women there was about 4:1...I had a blast there for about 3 months once back in the 80's.

Mmmmmmmmkay.

lol, seriously. It was a great little town.
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(04-05-2017 10:14 AM)TigerBlue4Ever Wrote:  
(04-05-2017 10:07 AM)salukiblue Wrote:  
(04-05-2017 10:06 AM)TigerBlue4Ever Wrote:  
(04-04-2017 04:29 PM)bubbapt Wrote:  Who's goin' to Wichita!

I loved Wichita. The ratio of men to women there was about 4:1...I had a blast there for about 3 months once back in the 80's.

Mmmmmmmmkay.

lol, seriously. It was a great little town.

04-cheers
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(04-05-2017 10:10 AM)TigerBlue4Ever Wrote:  
(04-05-2017 09:00 AM)salukiblue Wrote:  
(04-05-2017 08:52 AM)tigerlands Wrote:  
(04-04-2017 04:30 PM)Tiger87 Wrote:  
(04-04-2017 04:14 PM)tigerlands Wrote:  Good for the AAC, maybe good/maybe bad for Memphis, especially if we have to play them twice. I don't see why WSU is doing it. They might make a bit more money, not much. They can rule the MVC and still get a higher seed if they just add to their OOC schedule. Gonzaga got a #1 seed in a terrible conference (so did the Tigers under Cal). Its a mistake for WSU. I'm sure they are looking to take the same path as Creighton did.

More money, better seeding, better exposure, better scheduling. Also, not having to win the conference tourney every year helps. Less pressure from that standpoint in multiple bid leagues.

They are past the point of having to win their conference tournament. They get bids whether they win or lose. All they have to do is beef up their sked. They will take a few lumps in the AAC. But they should do well in the AAC, at least for next year.

I'll be interested, for sure.

Most of the MVC isn't very good and the travel is pretty easy.

Hopefully, the AAC will give them two games vs. us, UConn, SMU, and Cinci.

The travel could be something for them to have to get used to.

Those jet planes go purty fast these days I hear.

Yeah, but it's still a bit of a pain. 1000+ mile trips to Stoors, Greenville, Philly, and Florida.
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(04-05-2017 10:22 AM)salukiblue Wrote:  
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(04-05-2017 09:00 AM)salukiblue Wrote:  
(04-05-2017 08:52 AM)tigerlands Wrote:  
(04-04-2017 04:30 PM)Tiger87 Wrote:  More money, better seeding, better exposure, better scheduling. Also, not having to win the conference tourney every year helps. Less pressure from that standpoint in multiple bid leagues.

They are past the point of having to win their conference tournament. They get bids whether they win or lose. All they have to do is beef up their sked. They will take a few lumps in the AAC. But they should do well in the AAC, at least for next year.

I'll be interested, for sure.

Most of the MVC isn't very good and the travel is pretty easy.

Hopefully, the AAC will give them two games vs. us, UConn, SMU, and Cinci.

The travel could be something for them to have to get used to.

Those jet planes go purty fast these days I hear.

Yeah, but it's still a bit of a pain. 1000+ mile trips to Stoors, Greenville, Philly, and Florida.

They would be in the West with us. I would be surprised if we don't have divisions.
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(04-05-2017 10:32 AM)FlyingTiger2016 Wrote:  
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(04-05-2017 10:10 AM)TigerBlue4Ever Wrote:  
(04-05-2017 09:00 AM)salukiblue Wrote:  
(04-05-2017 08:52 AM)tigerlands Wrote:  They are past the point of having to win their conference tournament. They get bids whether they win or lose. All they have to do is beef up their sked. They will take a few lumps in the AAC. But they should do well in the AAC, at least for next year.

I'll be interested, for sure.

Most of the MVC isn't very good and the travel is pretty easy.

Hopefully, the AAC will give them two games vs. us, UConn, SMU, and Cinci.

The travel could be something for them to have to get used to.

Those jet planes go purty fast these days I hear.

Yeah, but it's still a bit of a pain. 1000+ mile trips to Stoors, Greenville, Philly, and Florida.

They would be in the West with us. I would be surprised if we don't have divisions.

I thought about that, but NO current basketball conference has divisions.

The only real positive about division would be a move down to a 16 game conference schedule (5 h/h vs. division, 3 h, 3 a vs. other division).
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