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The financial impact of a successful basketball program to a University
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Good article. No doubt it has an impact. Virginia Tech was not a good academic university until after Michael Vick.

I honestly thought UNCW was on the same trajectory in 2003 with basketball performance and beach location. It takes sustained good performance though.
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(03-30-2017 06:49 AM)Fletch 8 Wrote:  Good article. No doubt it has an impact. Virginia Tech was not a good academic university until after Michael Vick.

I honestly thought UNCW was on the same trajectory in 2003 with basketball performance and beach location. It takes sustained good performance though.

That is total crap,VaTech or VPI has been a very good school for many,many years and way before Mr. Vick showed up. Vick brought in some money no doubt but it was and is a great school.
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Sorry...posted in wrong thread.
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This is the side though as to what frustrates many mid and low major schools because the financial impact of making and advancing in the tournament means something. So the more the balance gets stacked against them with the power conferences eating up all of slots, the more this money stays with the conferences and teams that really gain very little from the extra money, other than updating their facilities every few years. It is why the power conference teams schedule the way they do so that they can make sure to include themselves at the expense of the small schools.

On the opposite side of the coin, it is why many schools try to be DI. The potential gain from making the tournament or even winning a game or two is so astronomical that the risk of getting nothing is outweighed. Everyone is chasing the money train and the ones at the top continue to try and keep that train at their station. They can't stand to see Gonzaga or Wichita State continue to ruin their party.
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Ok. Pre-Vick, VA Tech was a decent academic school with decent admission standards. It wasn't a bad school for dumb kids like ECU. Now it is highly competitive or very good. Read Frank Beamer's book. Ask a bunch of VA tech grads and they'll give you the honest truth.
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(03-30-2017 06:49 AM)Fletch 8 Wrote:  Good article. No doubt it has an impact. Virginia Tech was not a good academic university until after Michael Vick.

I honestly thought UNCW was on the same trajectory in 2003 with basketball performance and beach location. It takes sustained good performance though.

What? Where did this come from? My father attended Va Tech and it has long been considered a good academic school.

I didn't read the article yet, but your statement couldn't be any more inaccurate.
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(03-30-2017 09:10 AM)Fletch 8 Wrote:  Ok. Pre-Vick, VA Tech was a decent academic school with decent admission standards. It wasn't a bad school for dumb kids like ECU. Now it is highly competitive or very good. Read Frank Beamer's book. Ask a bunch of VA tech grads and they'll give you the honest truth.

Yeah. You're still wrong. My father is a Va Tech grad and would love to straighten you out if asked, I'm sure.
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I miss CAAzone. This board is so weak now. CG sorry I offended you. I'm out
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(03-30-2017 09:56 AM)Fletch 8 Wrote:  I miss CAAzone. This board is so weak now. CG sorry I offended you. I'm out

I'm not offended. I'm just telling you that's inaccurate.
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No doubt, the Vick years put VT on the national map and made them a more desirable school outside of Virginia. That doesn't mean their academics suddenly improved. Their sudden popularity and post-Vick growth was a result of national sports media attention.
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(03-30-2017 09:56 AM)Fletch 8 Wrote:  I miss CAAzone. This board is so weak now. CG sorry I offended you. I'm out

lol what? Your grand return was to come in here whining about how you didn't like any of the coaches we're looking at and then spout a bunch of inaccuracies, and we're the problem?
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(03-30-2017 09:56 AM)Fletch 8 Wrote:  I miss CAAzone. This board is so weak now. CG sorry I offended you. I'm out

I dont think anyone is offended. Someone just has a different opinion than you. Dont be afraid to defend your position. No one is going to take it personally. Free and even intense debate is a cornerstone of this country.
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(03-30-2017 11:04 AM)Seahawk Nation 08 Wrote:  
(03-30-2017 09:56 AM)Fletch 8 Wrote:  I miss CAAzone. This board is so weak now. CG sorry I offended you. I'm out

lol what? Your grand return was to come in here whining about how you didn't like any of the coaches we're looking at and then spout a bunch of inaccuracies, and we're the problem?


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My UNCW grad daughter went to a law school where one of the Professors is a Gonzaga Law School grad. I grew up with the Professor. We met for the first time in 2009 36 years after we graduated from high school.

He talked about Gonzaga's basketball success. He was not a sports fan growing up. He has been a law professor for 30+ years and the first 15 years of his career, none of his colleagues had heard of Gonzaga. Now he's introduced as the professor from the great basketball school. Don't let anyone minimize the importance of the publicity athletic success can bring a school, among the alumni and the rest of the world.

Note the emphasis Harvard has put into football and basketball success recently.
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(03-30-2017 11:49 AM)geezerhawkdad Wrote:  My UNCW grad daughter went to a law school where one of the Professors is a Gonzaga Law School grad. I grew up with the Professor. We met for the first time in 2009 36 years after we graduated from high school.

He talked about Gonzaga's basketball success. He was not a sports fan growing up. He has been a law professor for 30+ years and the first 15 years of his career, none of his colleagues had heard of Gonzaga. Now he's introduced as the professor from the great basketball school. Don't let anyone minimize the importance of the publicity athletic success can bring a school, among the alumni and the rest of the world.

Note the emphasis Harvard has put into football and basketball success recently.

No doubt. The stability of being able to afford to keep Mark Few around is what made that happen. He also doesn't have the ACC in his backyard. That's always going to be an issue for us until we can afford to shell out millions to a coach.
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(03-30-2017 09:10 AM)Fletch 8 Wrote:  Ok. Pre-Vick, VA Tech was a decent academic school with decent admission standards. It wasn't a bad school for dumb kids like ECU. Now it is highly competitive or very good. Read Frank Beamer's book. Ask a bunch of VA tech grads and they'll give you the honest truth.

My wife graduated from Tech and many of her relatives before and since. You are badly informed on this. I know a ton of Tech grads and not a damn one will tell you anything close that. Do some homework on this outside of reading a book written by a football coach. I also will not comment on the ECU dig.
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This is likely gonna happen to South Carolina in the next couple of years with that Final Four run. Millions and millions in publicity, and the quality of students getting in will rise as more people find out about the school.
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(03-30-2017 11:54 AM)CoastGuardHawk06 Wrote:  
(03-30-2017 11:49 AM)geezerhawkdad Wrote:  My UNCW grad daughter went to a law school where one of the Professors is a Gonzaga Law School grad. I grew up with the Professor. We met for the first time in 2009 36 years after we graduated from high school.

He talked about Gonzaga's basketball success. He was not a sports fan growing up. He has been a law professor for 30+ years and the first 15 years of his career, none of his colleagues had heard of Gonzaga. Now he's introduced as the professor from the great basketball school. Don't let anyone minimize the importance of the publicity athletic success can bring a school, among the alumni and the rest of the world.

Note the emphasis Harvard has put into football and basketball success recently.

No doubt. The stability of being able to afford to keep Mark Few around is what made that happen. He also doesn't have the ACC in his backyard. That's always going to be an issue for us until we can afford to shell out millions to a coach.

He PAID for his own salary with NCAA wins and the cash boon the school has received as a result of his success. The school could pay him $2 million per year and come out ahead.
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(03-30-2017 09:41 PM)sctvman Wrote:  This is likely gonna happen to South Carolina in the next couple of years with that Final Four run. Millions and millions in publicity, and the quality of students getting in will rise as more people find out about the school.

I think the difference between a school like UNCW or Gonzaga and South Carolina is South Carolina plays SEC football. They've got plenty of publicity already. Sure, the Final Four run might help, but proportionally it's no where near what I'd imagine the VCU or Butler Final Four runs had.
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