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RE: Season-opening Stanford Football Game Moved to Sydney, Australia???
(05-12-2017 10:36 PM)franklyconfused Wrote:  This game is in Australia because the PAC wants to expand their Pacific Rim branding. We're the little dog in this equation, just like Hawaii was last year. The PAC didn't have many viable options for it, and I hope we used that in negotiating the payout.

Washington State, Arizona, Utah, and Oregon are all opening up against FCS opponents. Those schools wouldn't want to sacrifice a home game, and I'm sure the sponsors wouldn't want an officially cross-subdivision match-up (that'd be too blatantly bad for their marketing).

Cal took the spot last year, and this is supposed to be a conference-wide movement, so they're already out before even thinking of talking UNC into flying the Pacific. Colorado is out of the question: not only is their first game a rivalry with Colorado State, CSU plays a week earlier vs Oregon State. I don't see Rutgers giving up the chance to host Washington, and UCLA absolutely wouldn't give up hosting Texas A&M.

Out of the remaining opening weekend (9-2) and pre-opening weekend (8-26) games, that leaves the following possibilities:
  • USC gives up a home game against Western Michigan
  • Arizona State gives up a home game against New Mexico State
  • Colorado State gives up a home game against Oregon State
  • Rice gives up a home game against Stanford
Since PAC teams only have time for three OOC games, it's tough to imagine USC or ASU taking the bait. That leaves Colorado State and Rice, and we were always going to be less proud of our program and more willing to do this, especially since CSU might have a real chance to win their game and we all know that Rice, like Hawai'i a year ago, doesn't.

Ignoring the do it for the kids sentiment, what would we stand to gain from keeping this in house? Season ticket sales from a fanbase that's already defecting because of the coaching staff? Single game ticket sales that aren't as valuable as the Australia payout and that quickly peter into no gained goodwill when the score is 'A Lot to A Little' by halftime?

I'm not trying to be an apologist. I'm massively disappointed that we've retained Bailiff for another year. I'm also in no way privy to the behind-the-scenes constraints, budgetary or otherwise, that might have lead to that decision. Given that we will still have mostly the same coaching staff with the same roster as last year, and that staff and roster were most recently blown out by the same team we're going to play next, we might as well use our position as most willing and able to get a cash infusion and some goodwill with the PAC. If we keep the game in Houston, the only way I see it being comparatively better long term is if it somehow winds up convincing somebody to be our 'Tilman Fertitta' booster. If that's the plan, spending the money on scratch offs would be a better use of resources.

I want more home games against P5 teams. I flat out want more games against P5 teams than the 2-3 we're playing per year. I find it hard to believe that such games will build alumni support if we aren't competitive, and we won't be competitive this year. It's fair to disagree with those points, but I'm taking them as premises until I see something to refute them.

All good points and in depth research. What was brought to light recently on another thread is there isn't much of a cash infusion coming from this trip. Instead, we'll cover expenses plus a little bit and provide a great opportunity for the kids.

Therefore, this makes all the sense in the world for Stanford & the Pac. Not much for Rice. Call me a conspiracy theorist, but since this is clearly a PAC movement, is there any chance it was kind understood between Joe and his former boss that he'd take this offer when we initially set up the home & home?
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RE: Season-opening Stanford Football Game Moved to Sydney, Australia???
(05-12-2017 11:09 PM)BufflOwl Wrote:  
(05-12-2017 10:36 PM)franklyconfused Wrote:  This game is in Australia because the PAC wants to expand their Pacific Rim branding. We're the little dog in this equation, just like Hawaii was last year. The PAC didn't have many viable options for it, and I hope we used that in negotiating the payout.

Washington State, Arizona, Utah, and Oregon are all opening up against FCS opponents. Those schools wouldn't want to sacrifice a home game, and I'm sure the sponsors wouldn't want an officially cross-subdivision match-up (that'd be too blatantly bad for their marketing).

Cal took the spot last year, and this is supposed to be a conference-wide movement, so they're already out before even thinking of talking UNC into flying the Pacific. Colorado is out of the question: not only is their first game a rivalry with Colorado State, CSU plays a week earlier vs Oregon State. I don't see Rutgers giving up the chance to host Washington, and UCLA absolutely wouldn't give up hosting Texas A&M.

Out of the remaining opening weekend (9-2) and pre-opening weekend (8-26) games, that leaves the following possibilities:
  • USC gives up a home game against Western Michigan
  • Arizona State gives up a home game against New Mexico State
  • Colorado State gives up a home game against Oregon State
  • Rice gives up a home game against Stanford
Since PAC teams only have time for three OOC games, it's tough to imagine USC or ASU taking the bait. That leaves Colorado State and Rice, and we were always going to be less proud of our program and more willing to do this, especially since CSU might have a real chance to win their game and we all know that Rice, like Hawai'i a year ago, doesn't.

Ignoring the do it for the kids sentiment, what would we stand to gain from keeping this in house? Season ticket sales from a fanbase that's already defecting because of the coaching staff? Single game ticket sales that aren't as valuable as the Australia payout and that quickly peter into no gained goodwill when the score is 'A Lot to A Little' by halftime?

I'm not trying to be an apologist. I'm massively disappointed that we've retained Bailiff for another year. I'm also in no way privy to the behind-the-scenes constraints, budgetary or otherwise, that might have lead to that decision. Given that we will still have mostly the same coaching staff with the same roster as last year, and that staff and roster were most recently blown out by the same team we're going to play next, we might as well use our position as most willing and able to get a cash infusion and some goodwill with the PAC. If we keep the game in Houston, the only way I see it being comparatively better long term is if it somehow winds up convincing somebody to be our 'Tilman Fertitta' booster. If that's the plan, spending the money on scratch offs would be a better use of resources.

I want more home games against P5 teams. I flat out want more games against P5 teams than the 2-3 we're playing per year. I find it hard to believe that such games will build alumni support if we aren't competitive, and we won't be competitive this year. It's fair to disagree with those points, but I'm taking them as premises until I see something to refute them.

All good points and in depth research. What was brought to light recently on another thread is there isn't much of a cash infusion coming from this trip. Instead, we'll cover expenses plus a little bit and provide a great opportunity for the kids.

Therefore, this makes all the sense in the world for Stanford & the Pac. Not much for Rice. Call me a conspiracy theorist, but since this is clearly a PAC movement, is there any chance it was kind understood between Joe and his former boss that he'd take this offer when we initially set up the home & home?

I'm still at a loss why this makes no sense for us. I've read all you posts on the subject, and it still boils down to you simply being upset that you and a few of your friends cannot personally attend the game at HRC. You try to make it sound as if we're bound to have a huge home crowd for the game, which simply does not ring true based on recent history.
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RE: Season-opening Stanford Football Game Moved to Sydney, Australia???
(05-13-2017 07:07 AM)waltgreenberg Wrote:  
(05-12-2017 11:09 PM)BufflOwl Wrote:  
(05-12-2017 10:36 PM)franklyconfused Wrote:  This game is in Australia because the PAC wants to expand their Pacific Rim branding. We're the little dog in this equation, just like Hawaii was last year. The PAC didn't have many viable options for it, and I hope we used that in negotiating the payout.

Washington State, Arizona, Utah, and Oregon are all opening up against FCS opponents. Those schools wouldn't want to sacrifice a home game, and I'm sure the sponsors wouldn't want an officially cross-subdivision match-up (that'd be too blatantly bad for their marketing).

Cal took the spot last year, and this is supposed to be a conference-wide movement, so they're already out before even thinking of talking UNC into flying the Pacific. Colorado is out of the question: not only is their first game a rivalry with Colorado State, CSU plays a week earlier vs Oregon State. I don't see Rutgers giving up the chance to host Washington, and UCLA absolutely wouldn't give up hosting Texas A&M.

Out of the remaining opening weekend (9-2) and pre-opening weekend (8-26) games, that leaves the following possibilities:
  • USC gives up a home game against Western Michigan
  • Arizona State gives up a home game against New Mexico State
  • Colorado State gives up a home game against Oregon State
  • Rice gives up a home game against Stanford
Since PAC teams only have time for three OOC games, it's tough to imagine USC or ASU taking the bait. That leaves Colorado State and Rice, and we were always going to be less proud of our program and more willing to do this, especially since CSU might have a real chance to win their game and we all know that Rice, like Hawai'i a year ago, doesn't.

Ignoring the do it for the kids sentiment, what would we stand to gain from keeping this in house? Season ticket sales from a fanbase that's already defecting because of the coaching staff? Single game ticket sales that aren't as valuable as the Australia payout and that quickly peter into no gained goodwill when the score is 'A Lot to A Little' by halftime?

I'm not trying to be an apologist. I'm massively disappointed that we've retained Bailiff for another year. I'm also in no way privy to the behind-the-scenes constraints, budgetary or otherwise, that might have lead to that decision. Given that we will still have mostly the same coaching staff with the same roster as last year, and that staff and roster were most recently blown out by the same team we're going to play next, we might as well use our position as most willing and able to get a cash infusion and some goodwill with the PAC. If we keep the game in Houston, the only way I see it being comparatively better long term is if it somehow winds up convincing somebody to be our 'Tilman Fertitta' booster. If that's the plan, spending the money on scratch offs would be a better use of resources.

I want more home games against P5 teams. I flat out want more games against P5 teams than the 2-3 we're playing per year. I find it hard to believe that such games will build alumni support if we aren't competitive, and we won't be competitive this year. It's fair to disagree with those points, but I'm taking them as premises until I see something to refute them.

All good points and in depth research. What was brought to light recently on another thread is there isn't much of a cash infusion coming from this trip. Instead, we'll cover expenses plus a little bit and provide a great opportunity for the kids.

Therefore, this makes all the sense in the world for Stanford & the Pac. Not much for Rice. Call me a conspiracy theorist, but since this is clearly a PAC movement, is there any chance it was kind understood between Joe and his former boss that he'd take this offer when we initially set up the home & home?

I'm still at a loss why this makes no sense for us. I've read all you posts on the subject, and it still boils down to you simply being upset that you and a few of your friends cannot personally attend the game at HRC. You try to make it sound as if we're bound to have a huge home crowd for the game, which simply does not ring true based on recent history.

Good point. Let's just play all our games on the road or neutral sites. Who cares about those people that want to go to one game or another. As long as we can say it's for the kids. Whatever.
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RE: Season-opening Stanford Football Game Moved to Sydney, Australia???
Here is an exhaustive list of all future P5 opponents scheduled to play AT Rice Stadium:

2019 - Wake Forest
2025 - Northwestern

Giving away a rare home game against a P5 opponent, leaving the loyal local fans with nothing but the dregs seems to be a bitter pill to swallow. I realize that millionaires on this board have no problem with jetting off halfway around the world to watch football. Fine. But don't criticize those of us who have other priorities from being disappointed at the decision. It's almost like "let them eat cake."
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RE: Season-opening Stanford Football Game Moved to Sydney, Australia???
Look, the preferred explanation for keeping Bailiff was lack of money to buy him out.

Selling the home game to Australia is at least consistent with a view of organizational poverty that requires retaining the only coach in FBS with a losing record over a tenure of 10 or more season.

Playing this game in Sydney should--perhaps marginally--improve the quality of the coaching staff for the Wake Forest game.
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RE: Season-opening Stanford Football Game Moved to Sydney, Australia???
(05-13-2017 01:31 PM)MemOwl Wrote:  Look, the preferred explanation for keeping Bailiff was lack of money to buy him out.

Selling the home game to Australia is at least consistent with a view of organizational poverty that requires retaining the only coach in FBS with a losing record over a tenure of 10 or more season.

Playing this game in Sydney should--perhaps marginally--improve the quality of the coaching staff for the Wake Forest game.

But we're being told now it's not a money-making venture. Therefore this won't improve the quality of the coaching staff. Simply a good experience for the kids. Which apparently playing top competition at home isn't.
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(05-13-2017 01:31 PM)MemOwl Wrote:  Look, the preferred explanation for keeping Bailiff was lack of money to buy him out.

who said that?
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Ok, most of us agree, 1. Bailiff should have been fired with his record after last season 2. We need more P5 home games.

However, this thread has turned a little toxic. So I'll try to warm everyone's hearts for a minute on the eve of Natalie's and my 6th wedding anniversary.

Natalie and I are excited about this trip. As some of you know, Natalie is a Stanford grad and I graduated from Rice in 2006.

We married in May 2011. Because of my military obligation, we had to delay our honeymoon to Australia until January 2013. We planned on going to Sydney and then to Melbourne for the Australian Open.

Natalie was diagnosed with breast cancer in September 2012 and we had to cancel our trip to Australia. Thankfully she is doing well now.

So this trip presents a chance for Natalie and I to finally take our trip to Australia to watch our favorite sport and to watch our schools play each other. And for a chance for Natalie to meet some koalas.

So in addition to providing a chance for our players to have memories for a lifetime, this is giving us (ordinary sports fans, far short of being millionaires) a chance to finally take our dream honeymoon.

Not many schools have a chance to play a game abroad, and to be the only football game of the week. Be happy.
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Did the game time change? I thought it was the 26th, but websites are now saying the 27th.
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(05-28-2017 07:25 PM)seniorowl Wrote:  Did the game time change? I thought it was the 26th, but websites are now saying the 27th.

Depends on your continent?
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Athletic department said the game changed Australia time from Saturday to Sunday because the game is now being carried by ESPN in the States on Saturday night (making the game at noon on Sunday down under).

We just bought our tickets. Will be sitting in section in 37. I assume this is the Rice sideline. There weren't many tickets left in the lower bowl. I hope this means there is a good crowd.

We bought the tailgate package as well. Gets us breakfast, etc, pre-game festivities before the game and then post-game hangout as well. And some memorabilia from the game. It's worth it to get both pre and post (only 15 Aussie more to get the post in addition to the pre).

Who else is going to be in Sydney as of Friday morning? Interested to know if there is anything else that is going on Rice-wise game week. (Equal interest in Stanford stuff too, you know I'm married to a Cardinal).
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(06-25-2017 01:26 AM)seniorowl Wrote:  Athletic department said the game changed Australia time from Saturday to Sunday because the game is now being carried by ESPN in the States on Saturday night (making the game at noon on Sunday down under).

We just bought our tickets. Will be sitting in section in 37. I assume this is the Rice sideline. There weren't many tickets left in the lower bowl. I hope this means there is a good crowd.

We bought the tailgate package as well. Gets us breakfast, etc, pre-game festivities before the game and then post-game hangout as well. And some memorabilia from the game. It's worth it to get both pre and post (only 15 Aussie more to get the post in addition to the pre).

Who else is going to be in Sydney as of Friday morning? Interested to know if there is anything else that is going on Rice-wise game week. (Equal interest in Stanford stuff too, you know I'm married to a Cardinal).


I'm told that the group putting the game together is working to get a license to show mayweather-mcgregor at the post game tailgate.

I could draw some parallels between the expected outcome of that event and ours... here's to two upsets!
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