(03-27-2017 03:30 PM)Stay Cool Wrote:  

(03-27-2017 03:25 PM)Stugray2 Wrote:  Wow. I bet it does as much for UNLV football as Gillette has done for UMass football.

Bingo

Also now UNLV fans maybe have the desire to become Raiders fans, sadly... I see the opposite effect most fans are hoping for happening

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Having a pro team could kill their already meager attendance.

The only good thing is if the stadium is on or adjacent to campus. That would be an improvement over the current stadium.

(03-27-2017 03:45 PM)HHOOTter Wrote:  

(03-27-2017 03:19 PM)Mestophalies Wrote:  [quote='HHOOTter' pid='14215485' dateline='1490645638']
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UNLV didn't move over anyone and nothing short of Texas and Oklahoma signing a twenty year deal to stay in the Big 12 will stabilize that conference.

U r probably right about UNLV ,
but they are @ least solidly on the radar

But about Big 12 solidarity.....
Remember both them Gooners & them Shorthorns
--2 of the Top 10 $$$$ making Athletic Dept's in the NCAA
(Texas is #1)
--They like being the Big Dawgs & callin’ the shots
--OU/Texas will continue to make Big $$$$
whether they keep the Big 12 intact or not
(Remember Big 12 is tiered in their favor
to make more $$$$ than the little “8”)
--Any merger to any other conference & they lose all that ”Clout”
--They are not interested in being “one of da’ boys”
--Texas still has 15+ yrs w/ the current network contract
Guaranteed, Shorthorns won’t give up that network
Any conference they join will have to allow it to existed
or they’ll have to compensate their loss.
--Easier w/ current arrangement to compete 4 championships
Even though Texas seem lost on how to consistently do so

UNLV didn't even make the top 10. Geographically and with their historical football futility, they just don't work for the Big 12.

UMass campus is 92 miles from Gillette stadium (1 hour 43 minutes accoring to Google Maps right now saying its "usual traffic"). There isnt even a comparison between UMass and UNLV. Real comparisons are USF/Buccs, Temple/Eagles or SDSU/Chargers

But I do agree, the fact an NFL team is coming to down doesnt do anything but hurt UNLV popularity

They are building a new med school. It's not enough to warrant a PAC invite but suggests they're moving in the right direction.

I wonder which game in the new Las Vegas stadium will have better attendance?

Arizona v. BYU OR any other UNLV home game

(03-27-2017 05:03 PM)Frank the Tank Wrote:  If we were to go strictly by pure athletics and potential market value and ignored academics, then UNLV (and for that matter, San Diego State) would be prime candidates for the Pac-12. Alas, the Pac-12 definitely has baseline academic prestige requirements that neither UNLV nor SDSU currently meet. Believe me - if UNLV were in the same tier as even the bottom schools academically in the P5, then they'd be in the Pac-12. The problem is that UNLV hasn't met that academic bar yet (and who knows if they ever will in the near future).

It's the same thing with BYU with respect to the Pac-12, except replace "academics" with "culture".

I agree with you. Out West there's only 3 FBS schools that even qualify that are Research schools (R1 in the Carnagie)
Colorado St
New Mexico
Hawaii
I could be wrong, but Im not sure if UNLV and SDSU even have medical schools.

(03-27-2017 07:36 PM)billybobby777 Wrote:  

(03-27-2017 05:03 PM)Frank the Tank Wrote:  If we were to go strictly by pure athletics and potential market value and ignored academics, then UNLV (and for that matter, San Diego State) would be prime candidates for the Pac-12. Alas, the Pac-12 definitely has baseline academic prestige requirements that neither UNLV nor SDSU currently meet. Believe me - if UNLV were in the same tier as even the bottom schools academically in the P5, then they'd be in the Pac-12. The problem is that UNLV hasn't met that academic bar yet (and who knows if they ever will in the near future).

It's the same thing with BYU with respect to the Pac-12, except replace "academics" with "culture".

I agree with you. Out West there's only 3 FBS schools that even qualify that are Research schools (R1 in the Carnagie)
Colorado St
New Mexico
Hawaii
I could be wrong, but Im not sure if UNLV and SDSU even have medical schools.

Neither SDSU nor UNLV have a med school.

Realignment wise, this does nothing for UNLV. They are so far down anybody's list, they aren't getting called up during the lifetimes of at least 90% of the posters on this site.

I'm not sure it does UNLV any good in any other aspect of athletics either.

My biggest question would be, at $650 million to build, how is this not a huge albatross around Las Vegas' neck? How many times a year would it get used?

PAC 12 needs to move thier title game to Vegas. Also, the perfect spot for a PAC 18-20 title game if they landed big 12 members. I think the raiders take away from unlv football some though and defiantly from the NHL team, they might as well move. Las Vegas is to small of a market to have multiple pro teams

(03-27-2017 08:07 PM)LostInSpace Wrote:  Neither SDSU nor UNLV have a med school.

https://www.unlv.edu/medicine/accreditation-timeline

(03-27-2017 09:03 PM)ken d Wrote:  Realignment wise, this does nothing for UNLV. They are so far down anybody's list, they aren't getting called up during the lifetimes of at least 90% of the posters on this site.

I'm not sure it does UNLV any good in any other aspect of athletics either.

My biggest question would be, at $650 million to build, how is this not a huge albatross around Las Vegas' neck? How many times a year would it get used?

My bad. That $650 million number was just for a piece of the financing. Construction cost estimated at $1.9 billion.

(03-27-2017 05:04 PM)bullet Wrote:  

(03-27-2017 03:30 PM)Stay Cool Wrote:  

(03-27-2017 03:25 PM)Stugray2 Wrote:  Wow. I bet it does as much for UNLV football as Gillette has done for UMass football.

Bingo

Also now UNLV fans maybe have the desire to become Raiders fans, sadly... I see the opposite effect most fans are hoping for happening

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Having a pro team could kill their already meager attendance.

The new stadium close to campus compare to the current horrible situation would kill the attendance? You got to be kidding me. Can't wait till it is done so I can take my young kids to the unlv game( definitely not taking them to raiders game). I believe unlv attendance would spike significantly.

UNLV is not the UNLV of Randell Cunningham and Jerry Tarkanian. That was over a generation ago, long forgotten. They are a terrible academic school, and a research midget. They have awesome Basketball facilities and still suck.

I think the Raiders story is far more interesting. They can probably only count on 10-15,000 Nevada season ticket holders, maybe a bit more. They are going to have to get the bulk of their fans from California. I expect the number of California Season ticket holders to be similar, and even a bit higher than the Nevada. The Raiders have a large fan base all over the Golden State, especially in Bay Area and the LA Basin. Sell outs are very likely, but I think they will have to do that not with season ticket holders per se, but with 3-4-5 pack tickets (at least 1/3rd of the seats). It's a short flight from any CA city, but that means staying the night and playing the next day or coming the day before. Some will drive, even though it's a 5+ hour haul from most of the LA Basin (Riverside area is less, 3 1/2 hours with ideal traffic), but again I think the time spend will demand a longer stay of 2-3 days. This is why I think 3, 4, and 5 game packs may be a huge component of the sales. Vegas becomes an event, with Cirque du Soleil halftime shows, and partnerships with airlines to give season and 3-4-5 pack ticket holders discounts to fly or stay at various hotels. Most Californians visit Las Vegas once or twice a year anyway, this will simply increase the number of visits by a couple for 20-30,000 of them.

The Corporate suites are where I think it gets dicey. Clark County has nothing like LA or the Bay Area in terms of corporate headquarters. It's going to take some creative sales to fill those boxes and make the money to justify this stadium. This is where the real money is in NFL stadiums, not the regular fans. But if anyone can make it work the Casino management teams have the expertise to bring in the high rollers. For a Marketing Major this would be a dream job. Hard work, but huge potential.

All of the above means nothing for UNLV games. They wont have any of that marketing machine going for them, just the stadium.

(03-27-2017 09:13 PM)ManleyPointer Wrote:  

(03-27-2017 08:07 PM)LostInSpace Wrote:  Neither SDSU nor UNLV have a med school.

https://www.unlv.edu/medicine/accreditation-timeline

I doubt that will get built within my lifetime and I'm 40 planning on living to a 103. At least your BYU Cougars will get to play in the Vegas stadium though!

(03-27-2017 05:03 PM)Frank the Tank Wrote:  If we were to go strictly by pure athletics and potential market value and ignored academics, then UNLV (and for that matter, San Diego State) would be prime candidates for the Pac-12.

New Mexico has better football, better men's basketball, better attendance, and much better academics than UNLV. True, New Mexico's population is less than that of any Pac-12 state, but so is Nevada's.

(03-27-2017 03:06 PM)Stugray2 Wrote:  Raiders are not giving UNLV access AFAIK. That was one of the problems Sheldon Adelson had with the Raiders, they were not making an allowance for UNLV.

I do see a Bowl game coming to Las Vegas and perhaps the Pro Bowl instead of Hawaii

Even though I don't like how Sheldon Adelson conducts a lot of his business, I have to admit I agree with him on UNLV & the Raiders. The Raiders should make an allowance for UNLV, but unfortunately, they're adopting the same attitude they had in the Bay Area-forget about the college teams. Not an attitude I like.

(03-27-2017 10:02 PM)Stugray2 Wrote:  UNLV is not the UNLV of Randell Cunningham and Jerry Tarkanian. That was over a generation ago, long forgotten. They are a terrible academic school, and a research midget. They have awesome Basketball facilities and still suck.

Well, I think someone could bring back UNLV to those days, minus the cheating, but it's going to take time & $$'s, something that not too many people are willing to part with. Maybe Sheldon Adelson can do something with that. I don't see why UNLV hasn't at least kicked around the idea of becoming Nevada State, but at least some people are familiar with UNLV though.

What Athletics are you referring to Frank? UNLV was something in Basketball 5 years ago, but has not been anything in football for a much longer time. USA Today has a screwy number for their athletic budget, but the NCAA numbers show it around $30m, smaller than all Colorado State by more than 30%, 40% less than Cincinnati.

...... ...... Football ...... Basketball
2008-09 ...... 5-7
2009-10 ...... 5-7 ...... 25-9 (11-5) * ...... // at large bid, lost R1 in NCAA to Northern Iowa
2010-11 ...... 2-11 ...... 24-9 (11-5) * ...... // at large bid, lost R2 in NCAA to Illinois
2011-12 ...... 2-10 ...... 26-9 (9-5) * ...... // at large bid, lost R2 in NCAA to Colorado
2012-13 ...... 2-11 ...... 25-10 (10-6) * ...... // at large bid, lost R2 in NCAA to Cal
2013-14 ...... 7-6 * ...... 20-13 (10-8) ...... // FB Lost Heart of Texas Bowl to UNT 36-14
2014-15 ...... 2-11 ...... 18-15 (8-10)
2015-16 ...... 3-9 ...... 18-15 (8-10)
2016-17 ...... 4-8 ...... 11-21 (4-14)

* post season play

The memories of Stacey Augman, Larry Johnson, and Jerry Tarkanian's 1990 National Championship are probably still stuck in your mind. But that was 27 years ago, before most NFL and NBA players were even born. And that National Championship team had to beat other ranked powers of the Big West, Santa Barbara and Long Beach. When was the last time they were ranked? This is a dull faded memory for me, and I went to San Jose State and saw that team come in and smash us in the event center -- and it was on Big Monday (Remember that? Big East, Big Ten, Big West triple headers).

In the modern era UNLV is a faded power, limited budget program. I am really curious what you mean by athletics. SDSU is even more questionable now that the Q is going to be shut down after 2018. Where the heck are the Aztecs supposed to play football? On a local Community college or High School with seating for 3,000?

It doesn't matter. UNLV has a 35K stadium and averaged 18K fans at home games. Instate rival, Nevada, only drew 23K. If anything, that attendance will drop now that many of those fans will go to Raiders games vs. UNLV games. Why would they ever want to play in a 75K stadium and only have 15K fans there. It's like Tulane in the super dome all over again.

(03-27-2017 05:03 PM)Frank the Tank Wrote:  If we were to go strictly by pure athletics and potential market value and ignored academics, then UNLV (and for that matter, San Diego State) would be prime candidates for the Pac-12. Alas, the Pac-12 definitely has baseline academic prestige requirements that neither UNLV nor SDSU currently meet. Believe me - if UNLV were in the same tier as even the bottom schools academically in the P5, then they'd be in the Pac-12. The problem is that UNLV hasn't met that academic bar yet (and who knows if they ever will in the near future).

It's the same thing with BYU with respect to the Pac-12, except replace "academics" with "culture".

But that hurdle is easier to overcome than BYU's. I see this move as a helpful step for UNLV. It's not the last step, but a good one to take.

I'm a big proponent of Vegas being the Pac-12's Championship City. Basketball already crowns it's champ there and I think FB should as well.