(03-28-2017 10:21 AM)Tiki Owl Wrote:  rather than use Rice for self-promotion.

Don't the regular students use Rice for self-promotion too? "A degree from Rice ...." is a phrase often used. Or a med school applicant from Rice is better....

Just playing devil's advocate here.

I absolutely agree! But they stay for the degree, which is the point I'm making. I have no problem with Marcus Jackson or Cam Nwosu getting their degree and playing their 5th years elsewhere. But I don't like the idea that Dylan Ennis got $40,000 worth of free education at Rice if he planned on leaving if he had any success. Same with Evans getting roughly $100,000 in free education. I'll still use the caveat for Evans, because I won't hold any grudges if he ends up back at VCU, given his relationship with Rhoades. Letcher-Ellis is actually the only one that has really annoyed me.

(03-28-2017 10:28 AM)mrbig Wrote:  

(03-28-2017 10:21 AM)Tiki Owl Wrote:  rather than use Rice for self-promotion.

Don't the regular students use Rice for self-promotion too? "A degree from Rice ...." is a phrase often used. Or a med school applicant from Rice is better....

Just playing devil's advocate here.

I absolutely agree! But they stay for the degree, which is the point I'm making. I have no problem with Marcus Jackson or Cam Nwosu getting their degree and playing their 5th years elsewhere. But I don't like the idea that Dylan Ennis got $40,000 worth of free education at Rice if he planned on leaving if he had any success. Same with Evans getting roughly $100,000 in free education.

Perhaps a better comparison would be to students who get scholarships to attend schools such as Northwestern or USC to be in the theater programs but leave early when they are "discovered" or get enough work to support their career.

Should we ask recruits to sign a "no compete" clause with they sign with us?

(03-28-2017 10:33 AM)Tiki Owl Wrote:  

(03-28-2017 10:28 AM)mrbig Wrote:  

(03-28-2017 10:21 AM)Tiki Owl Wrote:  rather than use Rice for self-promotion.

Don't the regular students use Rice for self-promotion too? "A degree from Rice ...." is a phrase often used. Or a med school applicant from Rice is better....

Just playing devil's advocate here.

I absolutely agree! But they stay for the degree, which is the point I'm making. I have no problem with Marcus Jackson or Cam Nwosu getting their degree and playing their 5th years elsewhere. But I don't like the idea that Dylan Ennis got $40,000 worth of free education at Rice if he planned on leaving if he had any success. Same with Evans getting roughly $100,000 in free education.

Perhaps a better comparison would be to students who get scholarships to attend schools such as Northwestern or USC to be in the theater programs but leave early when they are "discovered" or get enough work to support their career.

Should we ask recruits to sign a "no compete" clause with they sign with us?

I'll admit my suggestion could easily be a horrible idea. But there is a problem and I hope the new coaching staff really tries to focus on guys that want to be at Rice long enough to earn their degrees. I feel particularly bitter because I thought that is exactly what Coach Rhoades was doing when recruiting guys! Am I wrong that he explicitly said he was going after guys who wanted to be at Rice? Really, I find it hard to stay interested in the program when this happens.

(03-28-2017 10:28 AM)mrbig Wrote:  

(03-28-2017 10:21 AM)Tiki Owl Wrote:  rather than use Rice for self-promotion.

Don't the regular students use Rice for self-promotion too? "A degree from Rice ...." is a phrase often used. Or a med school applicant from Rice is better....

Just playing devil's advocate here.

I absolutely agree! But they stay for the degree, which is the point I'm making. I have no problem with Marcus Jackson or Cam Nwosu getting their degree and playing their 5th years elsewhere. But I don't like the idea that Dylan Ennis got $40,000 worth of free education at Rice if he planned on leaving if he had any success. Same with Evans getting roughly $100,000 in free education. I'll still use the caveat for Evans, because I won't hold any grudges if he ends up back at VCU, given his relationship with Rhoades. Letcher-Ellis is actually the only one that has really annoyed me.

But if academics were like athletics, there would be academic leagues/tournaments and national achievement tests that would enable national powers like MIT, CalTech, Stanford, U Chicago and the Ivies (and Rice and other top colleges, to a certain extent, too) to identify promising incoming sophs and juniors to transfer in from other schools as their own top students graduate or leave early for 6-figure jobs in industry, Wall Street etc.

(03-28-2017 10:33 AM)Tiki Owl Wrote:  

(03-28-2017 10:28 AM)mrbig Wrote:  

(03-28-2017 10:21 AM)Tiki Owl Wrote:  rather than use Rice for self-promotion.

Don't the regular students use Rice for self-promotion too? "A degree from Rice ...." is a phrase often used. Or a med school applicant from Rice is better....

Just playing devil's advocate here.

I absolutely agree! But they stay for the degree, which is the point I'm making. I have no problem with Marcus Jackson or Cam Nwosu getting their degree and playing their 5th years elsewhere. But I don't like the idea that Dylan Ennis got $40,000 worth of free education at Rice if he planned on leaving if he had any success. Same with Evans getting roughly $100,000 in free education.

Perhaps a better comparison would be to students who get scholarships to attend schools such as Northwestern or USC to be in the theater programs but leave early when they are "discovered" or get enough work to support their career.

Should we ask recruits to sign a "no compete" clause with they sign with us?

Excepting that this happens all the time on the academic side, too. There are many families I know whose kids couldn't get into their preferred university out of high school. Instead, they go to a fallback school (often with lots of scholarships, because they're generally stronger than that current school's pool), get good grades for a year to show they can handle it, and then transfer to their preferred school

Heck, it happens at Rice.

That's the devil's advocate side of the argument.

I do wonder if 4-year scholarships (instead of annual renewals) changes the equation at all. They've been mentioned a lot in football (for protecting the players who get "cut" or encouraged to go to another program - see Alabama, among others). I haven't internalized all of the ramifications of that type of offer. My gut tells me it doesn't really improve the hand of the school in retaining players, but maybe others know better.

(03-27-2017 01:30 PM)mrbig Wrote:  #RiceRising ??? Or perhaps #RiceFalling ???

Tired of the rollercoaster.

Bad news - football sucks!
Good news - men's basketball and women's basketball take good steps forward!
Bad news - baseball sucks!
Bad news - Rhoades leaving!
Good news - Pera hired!
Good news - Women's basketball wins WBI!
Bad news - Marcus & Marcus leaving!

I would prefer sustained good news.

Really bad news - Bailiff retained and we play a season under a coach that's been fired just waiting on the day to arrive.

It would be interesting to know the reason for each transfer, but i can imagine that they might fall into the following categories:

1) Jump to a better program: Player believes he's shown they can produce and wants a bigger stage; or feel he needs one to show his potential value for NBA draft or other professional basketball possibilities.
2) Jump to a more-appreciated program: Player doesn't like playing to small crowds or is disappointed by the lack of Rice students' support/adulation.
3) Jump to an easier school academically: Rice is too difficult academically and/or academics are not important to the player.
4) Bad fit (coach or school): Not enjoying his time at Rice.
5) Homesick: Wants/needs to be closer to home.

I can see Marcus Jackson ending up at Stanford next year. Believe could be a great role player for them in a big time conference.

Here is thelink to Coach Pera's interview with 97.5:
http://www.podcastarena.com/granatoandraheel/

Marcus committed to UC Santa Barbara. Great campus, good school, couple hours from his home. Good for him.

Rejoins Louis Reynaud there. I'm sure that had something to do with it as well.

Good luck Marcus and congrats for getting your degree and hope you have a great graduate year in basketball somewhere. I have a feeling you would you be a great college basketball coach with your leadership skills and hard work and dedication.

(03-28-2017 10:21 AM)Tiki Owl Wrote:  rather than use Rice for self-promotion.

Don't the regular students use Rice for self-promotion too? "A degree from Rice ...." is a phrase often used. Or a med school applicant from Rice is better....

Just playing devil's advocate here.