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(03-28-2017 11:58 AM)Sup Wrote:  From purely a hockey standpoint there are several ways to look at this. First and formost USA hockey and its hockey players have made huge strides in the last 5 - 10 years to the point where they are equal to if not surpassed the hockey powers of the world. It is not only one the top end but the depth of players. 10 years ago a few players would make it to the pro's now its probably closer to 80 per year if not more. The UND BU BC of the world and that list is expanding more and more every year loose,s several every year . I think UND lost 7 last year.
There are more and more Canadian high end players as well as European players playing college hockey and that trend is only going to continue. It is always up to the Assistant coach to go out and do the recruiting and those coaches seem to always be changing plus his time to recruit is limited cause of his coaching duties. Personally there needs to be an recruiter hired full time who can establish his network of contacts who can help him find the talent needed , the kids are out there it,s just a matter of finding them first. College hockey is changing and we must change to keep up.
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Bronco hockey improved the day Culhane and his "Ontario leftovers" recruiting philosophy left, to be replaced with players from the USHL.
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I see this as a major positive for recruiting.
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(03-28-2017 07:50 PM)washintonbronco Wrote:  
(03-28-2017 11:58 AM)Sup Wrote:  From purely a hockey standpoint there are several ways to look at this. First and formost USA hockey and its hockey players have made huge strides in the last 5 - 10 years to the point where they are equal to if not surpassed the hockey powers of the world. It is not only one the top end but the depth of players. 10 years ago a few players would make it to the pro's now its probably closer to 80 per year if not more. The UND BU BC of the world and that list is expanding more and more every year loose,s several every year . I think UND lost 7 last year.
There are more and more Canadian high end players as well as European players playing college hockey and that trend is only going to continue. It is always up to the Assistant coach to go out and do the recruiting and those coaches seem to always be changing plus his time to recruit is limited cause of his coaching duties. Personally there needs to be an recruiter hired full time who can establish his network of contacts who can help him find the talent needed , the kids are out there it,s just a matter of finding them first. College hockey is changing and we must change to keep up.
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Bronco hockey improved the day Culhane and his "Ontario leftovers" recruiting philosophy left, to be replaced with players from the USHL.

That's odd. A bunch of Culhane's "Ontario leftovers" are playing in the NHL right now....
03-29-2017 09:33 AM
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Yeah. Given that Blashill and Murray took WMU to the NCAA's in consecutive years after 2 8 win seasons in 3 years, you can probably guess coaching had a bit more to do with it
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Culhane could recruit well, he just couldn't coach. He's WMU hockey's version of Brady Hoke.
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So, as I see it we have to replace 10-11 scholarship players next season. And several of them are top talent folks in this year's team-Dries, Iacopelli, Molino, Hadley.

Isn't Zehnal also leaving the program?

Going to be a major challenge for next season. Unless we have rock-solid recruits coming in we'll likely be slugging it out for 5th or 6th place in the NCHC. Sorry for being the Debbie Downer, but how do you replace players like that? We're not at the level of UND or Denver when it comes to bringing in top recruits, not yet at any rate.
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(03-29-2017 09:33 AM)StrikeGold1 Wrote:  
(03-28-2017 07:50 PM)washintonbronco Wrote:  
(03-28-2017 11:58 AM)Sup Wrote:  From purely a hockey standpoint there are several ways to look at this. First and formost USA hockey and its hockey players have made huge strides in the last 5 - 10 years to the point where they are equal to if not surpassed the hockey powers of the world. It is not only one the top end but the depth of players. 10 years ago a few players would make it to the pro's now its probably closer to 80 per year if not more. The UND BU BC of the world and that list is expanding more and more every year loose,s several every year . I think UND lost 7 last year.
There are more and more Canadian high end players as well as European players playing college hockey and that trend is only going to continue. It is always up to the Assistant coach to go out and do the recruiting and those coaches seem to always be changing plus his time to recruit is limited cause of his coaching duties. Personally there needs to be an recruiter hired full time who can establish his network of contacts who can help him find the talent needed , the kids are out there it,s just a matter of finding them first. College hockey is changing and we must change to keep up.
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Bronco hockey improved the day Culhane and his "Ontario leftovers" recruiting philosophy left, to be replaced with players from the USHL.

That's odd. A bunch of Culhane's "Ontario leftovers" are playing in the NHL right now....

Hockeydb.com lists one Canadian ex-Bronco currently in the NHL, and Letestu is from Alberta, not Ontario.

Culhane didn't appear to consider the USHL for recruits, even when the rest of the CCHA/ WCHA had significant numbers on their rosters.
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(03-29-2017 08:07 PM)BroncoPhilly Wrote:  So, as I see it we have to replace 10-11 scholarship players next season. And several of them are top talent folks in this year's team-Dries, Iacopelli, Molino, Hadley.

Isn't Zehnal also leaving the program?

Going to be a major challenge for next season. Unless we have rock-solid recruits coming in we'll likely be slugging it out for 5th or 6th place in the NCHC. Sorry for being the Debbie Downer, but how do you replace players like that? We're not at the level of UND or Denver when it comes to bringing in top recruits, not yet at any rate.

I think you're underestimating how much talent we brought in the last 2 years. Those guys will step up. It stinks losing your top line, but we bring back 5 guys with 20 or more points, and almost all of our D and our goalie (assuming nobody else leaves). I expect we'll improve upon our record from last year, maybe score slightly fewer goals, but get more wins down the stretch.
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RE: Moving on to next year
As i see the NCHC next year.
Denver will loose some of its top players but still has lots left over and a few really good recruits coming in. Will still be good but a little weaker.
Minn Duluth was very heavy with seniors but will not loose many others if any to the pro recruiting class is so so. Same thing goes for them as denver but will fall a little more.
Western M has lost top end talent up front but keeps goal tending and d intact . Will also not be as strong and incoming talent is okay but not deep.
North Dakota lost Boeser Jost Poolman and their captain but only loose two seniors. Incoming class is weakest in recent years unless they have some i don,t know about. Will still be okay but also weaker.
Omaha has lost a few of their top players and their freshman an sophmores and recruits coming in are not great. See them struggling next year.
St Cloud is not loosing much recruits are okay see them much improved next year . CC will continue struggle scoring goals.
Miami loose top player and d man but that's about all they will be slightly better next year
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(03-30-2017 07:59 AM)Bronc33 Wrote:  
(03-29-2017 08:07 PM)BroncoPhilly Wrote:  So, as I see it we have to replace 10-11 scholarship players next season. And several of them are top talent folks in this year's team-Dries, Iacopelli, Molino, Hadley.

Isn't Zehnal also leaving the program?

Going to be a major challenge for next season. Unless we have rock-solid recruits coming in we'll likely be slugging it out for 5th or 6th place in the NCHC. Sorry for being the Debbie Downer, but how do you replace players like that? We're not at the level of UND or Denver when it comes to bringing in top recruits, not yet at any rate.

I think you're underestimating how much talent we brought in the last 2 years. Those guys will step up. It stinks losing your top line, but we bring back 5 guys with 20 or more points, and almost all of our D and our goalie (assuming nobody else leaves). I expect we'll improve upon our record from last year, maybe score slightly fewer goals, but get more wins down the stretch.


Hey, if I'm assessing our talent wrong please show me what and who I'm missing. I'd much rather we be back in the hunt next season, but I just don't see it when we lose that much talent-especially so many scorers.

Who are we going to turn to for goals next season, outside of Freddy Tiffels? Who am I missing? Sure, we have Wade Allison, Aiden Muir and Colt Conrad-but can any of them step into the skates of Molino or Iacopelli and not miss a stride?

Others have noted we have strong defense players coming back next season along with a solid Goalie, but you still need to put goals in the net to win games. Unless we have some folks coming in that have skills we don't know about I'm not seeing it.

BTW, with 10-11 open scholies do we know yet who are full recruiting class is going to be? I see a few names, but not 10-11.
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Also wanted to mention Griffen Molino will be playing for Vancouver this friday against LA Kings
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(03-30-2017 11:09 AM)Sup Wrote:  Also wanted to mention Griffen Molino will be playing for Vancouver this friday against LA Kings

Wow! He joins Nodak Brock Boeser as well, looks like he will wear #13

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(03-30-2017 11:07 AM)BroncoPhilly Wrote:  
(03-30-2017 07:59 AM)Bronc33 Wrote:  
(03-29-2017 08:07 PM)BroncoPhilly Wrote:  So, as I see it we have to replace 10-11 scholarship players next season. And several of them are top talent folks in this year's team-Dries, Iacopelli, Molino, Hadley.

Isn't Zehnal also leaving the program?

Going to be a major challenge for next season. Unless we have rock-solid recruits coming in we'll likely be slugging it out for 5th or 6th place in the NCHC. Sorry for being the Debbie Downer, but how do you replace players like that? We're not at the level of UND or Denver when it comes to bringing in top recruits, not yet at any rate.

I think you're underestimating how much talent we brought in the last 2 years. Those guys will step up. It stinks losing your top line, but we bring back 5 guys with 20 or more points, and almost all of our D and our goalie (assuming nobody else leaves). I expect we'll improve upon our record from last year, maybe score slightly fewer goals, but get more wins down the stretch.


Hey, if I'm assessing our talent wrong please show me what and who I'm missing. I'd much rather we be back in the hunt next season, but I just don't see it when we lose that much talent-especially so many scorers.

Who are we going to turn to for goals next season, outside of Freddy Tiffels? Who am I missing? Sure, we have Wade Allison, Aiden Muir and Colt Conrad-but can any of them step into the skates of Molino or Iacopelli and not miss a stride?

Others have noted we have strong defense players coming back next season along with a solid Goalie, but you still need to put goals in the net to win games. Unless we have some folks coming in that have skills we don't know about I'm not seeing it.

BTW, with 10-11 open scholies do we know yet who are full recruiting class is going to be? I see a few names, but not 10-11.

I think McGing will have an Iacopelli type year, he's got serious talent. Alison already essentially had as many goals as molino did, I see him improving, and I expect to see more Jade McMullen, and a much improved Lawton Courtnall. As I said, I think we score a little less, but our D and Goaltending will be improved down the stretch.
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(03-30-2017 11:07 AM)BroncoPhilly Wrote:  
(03-30-2017 07:59 AM)Bronc33 Wrote:  
(03-29-2017 08:07 PM)BroncoPhilly Wrote:  So, as I see it we have to replace 10-11 scholarship players next season. And several of them are top talent folks in this year's team-Dries, Iacopelli, Molino, Hadley.

Isn't Zehnal also leaving the program?

Going to be a major challenge for next season. Unless we have rock-solid recruits coming in we'll likely be slugging it out for 5th or 6th place in the NCHC. Sorry for being the Debbie Downer, but how do you replace players like that? We're not at the level of UND or Denver when it comes to bringing in top recruits, not yet at any rate.

I think you're underestimating how much talent we brought in the last 2 years. Those guys will step up. It stinks losing your top line, but we bring back 5 guys with 20 or more points, and almost all of our D and our goalie (assuming nobody else leaves). I expect we'll improve upon our record from last year, maybe score slightly fewer goals, but get more wins down the stretch.


Hey, if I'm assessing our talent wrong please show me what and who I'm missing. I'd much rather we be back in the hunt next season, but I just don't see it when we lose that much talent-especially so many scorers.

Who are we going to turn to for goals next season, outside of Freddy Tiffels? Who am I missing? Sure, we have Wade Allison, Aiden Muir and Colt Conrad-but can any of them step into the skates of Molino or Iacopelli and not miss a stride?

Others have noted we have strong defense players coming back next season along with a solid Goalie, but you still need to put goals in the net to win games. Unless we have some folks coming in that have skills we don't know about I'm not seeing it.

BTW, with 10-11 open scholies do we know yet who are full recruiting class is going to be? I see a few names, but not 10-11.

I tend to agree with you. That's a lot of goals to replace. Muir has shown no signs that he can regain his scoring touch from Jr's. Some of the other guys, with more ice time and opportunity may be able to add some goals. My fear is, if Murray feels his offense is lacking, he will go back to what was prior to this year and we will trap and rely on the defense and goalie to win games ala, the Sublowski years.
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I hope I'm wrong, but I was really counting on some of those names coming back next season.

Until we have all the names of the next class we're arguing circle logic.
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(03-30-2017 01:56 PM)BroncoPhilly Wrote:  I hope I'm wrong, but I was really counting on some of those names coming back next season.

Until we have all the names of the next class we're arguing circle logic.

I would argue the "core" returning nucleus is much better than what is was last year. That returning group will be even better next year.

There is always a bit of unknown about how quickly a freshman is able to make the college transition and what kind of contribution they can/will make in thier first year. But as we saw this year, a freshman group can come in and make a positive impact.

Tiffels, Muir, Allison, Conrad, McGing, Courtnell, McMullin is a pretty solid group of forwards returning. WMU is set in goal with Blacker, NCHC All rookie team goalie. D-core is also set. All of these players will be older, stronger, faster and better from the get go. They just need to get a couple of freshman forwards to step in, which every year, Western has been able to do this.
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(03-30-2017 01:56 PM)BroncoPhilly Wrote:  I hope I'm wrong, but I was really counting on some of those names coming back next season.

Until we have all the names of the next class we're arguing circle logic.

The returning players are a really solid core, the incoming freshman class has potential stars in it, the players that left early are simply the price you pay for bringing in top talent, and there are a couple 2018 recruits who are old enough to come next year to fill in the gaps. I'm in no way worried about next season.
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(03-30-2017 05:48 PM)moe24 Wrote:  
(03-30-2017 01:56 PM)BroncoPhilly Wrote:  I hope I'm wrong, but I was really counting on some of those names coming back next season.

Until we have all the names of the next class we're arguing circle logic.

The returning players are a really solid core, the incoming freshman class has potential stars in it, the players that left early are simply the price you pay for bringing in top talent, and there are a couple 2018 recruits who are old enough to come next year to fill in the gaps. I'm in no way worried about next season.

I hope you're right. Who are the 'potential stars' in the 2017/2018 recruiting class?
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(03-30-2017 05:30 PM)BroncoHeard Wrote:  
(03-30-2017 01:56 PM)BroncoPhilly Wrote:  I hope I'm wrong, but I was really counting on some of those names coming back next season.

Until we have all the names of the next class we're arguing circle logic.

I would argue the "core" returning nucleus is much better than what is was last year. That returning group will be even better next year.

There is always a bit of unknown about how quickly a freshman is able to make the college transition and what kind of contribution they can/will make in thier first year. But as we saw this year, a freshman group can come in and make a positive impact.

Tiffels, Muir, Allison, Conrad, McGing, Courtnell, McMullin is a pretty solid group of forwards returning. WMU is set in goal with Blacker, NCHC All rookie team goalie. D-core is also set. All of these players will be older, stronger, faster and better from the get go. They just need to get a couple of freshman forwards to step in, which every year, Western has been able to do this.


Great to have talented players coming in, but how fast can they solidify their lines so the 3 players on each line know what the other players are going to do? How long does it take for a line to come together?
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