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RE: Get rid of the conference basketball tournament - From the Bird's Nest
(03-24-2017 03:24 PM)CAJUNNATION Wrote:  
(03-24-2017 10:35 AM)AppManDG Wrote:  That's OK by me. Not a fan of The Big Sleezy...

I'm from south Louisiana, and NOLA is not for everyone. Like most big cities, there are parts where nobody should venture. It's most well known for the "Bourbon Street" scene. I agree. That area is a sleaze fest.

However, NOLA is very hard to beat as a destination city to host an athletic event. Great food, and the ability to walk the streets after the game with a brew is hard to beat for post game activities. Plus, the French Quarter is a nice place to spend a morning the day after the game.

No knock on NO, but the impression it left on me was that of a South Texas Border Town (from a souvenir and trinket hawking perspective) but with better music . ... .

The Quarter is an absolute must for any tourist (a bucket list item for some). And I totally agree with you as to its being hard to beat as a destination city.

I understand that The Tournament has to be played somewhere, shame it can't draw more than it does . . . .
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RE: Get rid of the conference basketball tournament - From the Bird's Nest
(03-24-2017 04:19 PM)Bobcat87 Wrote:  
(03-24-2017 03:24 PM)CAJUNNATION Wrote:  
(03-24-2017 10:35 AM)AppManDG Wrote:  That's OK by me. Not a fan of The Big Sleezy...

I'm from south Louisiana, and NOLA is not for everyone. Like most big cities, there are parts where nobody should venture. It's most well known for the "Bourbon Street" scene. I agree. That area is a sleaze fest.

However, NOLA is very hard to beat as a destination city to host an athletic event. Great food, and the ability to walk the streets after the game with a brew is hard to beat for post game activities. Plus, the French Quarter is a nice place to spend a morning the day after the game.

No knock on NO, but the impression it left on me was that of a South Texas Border Town (from a souvenir and trinket hawking perspective) but with better music . ... .

The Quarter is an absolute must for any tourist (a bucket list item for some). And I totally agree with you as to its being hard to beat as a destination city.

I understand that The Tournament has to be played somewhere, shame it can't draw more than it does . . . .



Most locals stay away from the quarter at "touristy" times. You'll see locals very early in the mornings getting beignets or other items but not when there is so many folks around. You'll find much more at uptown, in the garden districts, or at one of the parks. There are as many top restaurants and things to do in those areas as in downtown.

As an aside, City Park is one of the largest urban parks in the country and home to the New Orleans Museum of Art and has the largest collection of mature live oak trees in the world. They are almost complete with the reconstruction of a Championship quality golf course open to the public (long wait for tee times for out of state persons). The original course was built in 1902, and they later added two other courses. It was home to the Louisiana Open for a number of years but all the courses were destroyed by Hurricane Katrina. They opened the shorter north course a few years back, but it's taken until the end of April of this year to get the new course and clubhouse rebuilt.

Audubon park is probably best known for the Audubon Zoo, but it was actually designed by John Charles Olmsted who designed New York's Central Park. Before the Parks founding, it was home to a sugar plantation where the process was first developed for granulated sugar, which was invented by Norbert Rillieux, a free man of color. It also was the activation site for the "Buffalo Soldiers". It also housed a World's Fair in 1884. It also has a very short golf course on site that was rated one of the best "city" courses in the country at one time.

Sorry about the long post. Sometime you don't get to see the best of a city when you only hit the spots where the tourists gather.
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(03-23-2017 04:17 PM)CAJUNNATION Wrote:  This is a business.

NCAA tourney units are cash registers.

I want the best possible chance for schools from our league to win games in the tourney and make those units. To do that, we need our best teams in the tourney and seeded as high as possible.

Crowning the reg. season champ with the bid solves this. However, due to fairness issues over unbalanced schedules, and the late season injury scenario mentioned above, I believe the 1 game, winner take all, conference championship between division champions is the way to go.

You know who hates these solutions? Schools who do not support their programs like they should and are hoping for some March magic, and coaches/AD's who are looking to get the fans off of their backs.

Screw that.

I want to win some tourney games. Why should other leagues have all of the fun, and the tourney money.

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The conference tournament probably loses money and we lose more with a team that gets hot for a three game stretch in conf tournament and then gets curbed stomped in round one due to a crappy seed based mainly on their regular season mediocrity. It should have been UTA and they probably could have got a 14 or lower seed and have a much better chance to win a game or two.
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All well and good yet we came very close to having a three way tie for first place and the top seed would have been a team that faced neither of the other two first place teams on the road.

Some how I doubt anyone advocating the end of the conference tournament would stand for their team missing any chance at the NCAA Tournament because they tied with a team that did not play on their court.
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(03-23-2017 10:26 AM)arkstfan Wrote:  We don't play a double round robin and this year going into the final four playing dates or so we had the possibility of a three way tie for first that UTA would have won by playing the other two tied teams only once, at home.

When the stakes are the one seed that causes some grumbling but most people don't get too twisted about it.

When the stakes are going to the Big Dance and national attention and a chance to play your way forward on the big stage, that is unacceptable.

(03-28-2017 09:14 AM)arkstfan Wrote:  All well and good yet we came very close to having a three way tie for first place and the top seed would have been a team that faced neither of the other two first place teams on the road.

Some how I doubt anyone advocating the end of the conference tournament would stand for their team missing any chance at the NCAA Tournament because they tied with a team that did not play on their court.


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(03-28-2017 09:14 AM)arkstfan Wrote:  All well and good yet we came very close to having a three way tie for first place and the top seed would have been a team that faced neither of the other two first place teams on the road.

Some how I doubt anyone advocating the end of the conference tournament would stand for their team missing any chance at the NCAA Tournament because they tied with a team that did not play on their court.

I think you have UTA's schedule backwards. They hosted AState, but had to travel to both Georgia Schools last year.
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(03-28-2017 09:14 AM)arkstfan Wrote:  Some how I doubt anyone advocating the end of the conference tournament would stand for their team missing any chance at the NCAA Tournament because they tied with a team that did not play on their court.

The championship game between division champions solves this. Play everybody in your division with some crossover play in the regular season, and 1 winner take all between division champions.

It's fair. It promotes regional rivalries. Very likely we have a packed house for the CG on national TV. It does not reward schools that do not support their programs like they should. (That is what the other post season tourneys are for)
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(03-28-2017 04:04 PM)CAJUNNATION Wrote:  
(03-28-2017 09:14 AM)arkstfan Wrote:  Some how I doubt anyone advocating the end of the conference tournament would stand for their team missing any chance at the NCAA Tournament because they tied with a team that did not play on their court.

The championship game between division champions solves this. Play everybody in your division with some crossover play in the regular season, and 1 winner take all between division champions.

It's fair. It promotes regional rivalries. Very likely we have a packed house for the CG on national TV. It does not reward schools that do not support their programs like they should. (That is what the other post season tourneys are for)

Cold. That's cold. I think I got frostbite when I read this.

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(03-28-2017 04:04 PM)CAJUNNATION Wrote:  
(03-28-2017 09:14 AM)arkstfan Wrote:  Some how I doubt anyone advocating the end of the conference tournament would stand for their team missing any chance at the NCAA Tournament because they tied with a team that did not play on their court.

The championship game between division champions solves this. Play everybody in your division with some crossover play in the regular season, and 1 winner take all between division champions.

It's fair. It promotes regional rivalries. Very likely we have a packed house for the CG on national TV. It does not reward schools that do not support their programs like they should. (That is what the other post season tourneys are for)

We don't have divisions and if we did you run the risk of silly results like the consecutive seasons when AState and UALR won the west with the third best record.

Want to cut teams I'm fine with it.
Do 10, 8, 6, or 4 teams.

Go nutty and generate conversation.

Have 1 host 4 and 2 host 3. Then play a two game finals with the worst surviving seed hosting game 1 of the finals and the best hosting the second, best two game combined score gets the auto berth.

Do a mini pool play with 1, 2, 3 playing each other at #1, top two advance, ties broken by seeding.

Heck have a six team tournament with two pools put 1, 5, 6 in one pool at #1 and 2, 3, 4 in the other pool at #2. Two pool champs play at the best surviving seed.
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(03-28-2017 04:04 PM)CAJUNNATION Wrote:  
(03-28-2017 09:14 AM)arkstfan Wrote:  Some how I doubt anyone advocating the end of the conference tournament would stand for their team missing any chance at the NCAA Tournament because they tied with a team that did not play on their court.

The championship game between division champions solves this. Play everybody in your division with some crossover play in the regular season, and 1 winner take all between division champions.

It's fair. It promotes regional rivalries. Very likely we have a packed house for the CG on national TV. It does not reward schools that do not support their programs like they should. (That is what the other post season tourneys are for)

This is how it would have to be... Divisions with a championship. No one is gonna agree to an uneven schedule the current division-less set up provides. We'd all agree, it's simply not fair. But a one game final between division champs would indeed encourage program improvement, as the regular season would be paramount. It's the only way to go, unless you're gonna do double byes or some other severe protection of best.

I'm sure many of you know the Ivy League finally began a tourney this year. They're doing semi-final and finals only, four teams qualify, that's it. They considered doing a three team tourney, 2 vs 3, with 1 getting bye to finals. Just food for thought.
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(03-24-2017 09:26 AM)Saint3333 Wrote:  Everyone is missing the point here. This is just another example of ULL trying to screw App from a trip to NOLA.

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maybe if Montgomery hosted the SBC tournament we'd have a shot...
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I think we're worrying about the wrong problem. The biggest problem our teams have is our almost universally crummy scheduling.
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(03-29-2017 03:42 PM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  I think we're worrying about the wrong problem. The biggest problem our teams have is our almost universally crummy scheduling.

We should eliminate non d1 games regardless

I support a 4 team tournament. Higher seed hosts each game

If there is a tie for the 4th spot, I think we should do a tiebreaker game at team with better head to head record as well
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How soon will it be before its said to do away with the football championship game?
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(03-30-2017 04:56 AM)Florida RedWolf Wrote:  How soon will it be before its said to do away with the football championship game?

The difference is that financially and logistically it makes sense for a football title game. Almost every metric out there shows that the football playoff selection committee places value on that title game above a simple regular season champ.

The same issue doesn't exist in basketball. There is no sweet TV deal for the conference basketball tournament, and the selection committee refuses to even really consider Mid Major at large teams, meaning our only chance at NCAA Units is to win tournament games. That is best served with our best team getting the highest possible seed. Not our 6th best team getting pasted by Duke.
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(03-29-2017 05:45 PM)chiefsfan Wrote:  
(03-29-2017 03:42 PM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  I think we're worrying about the wrong problem. The biggest problem our teams have is our almost universally crummy scheduling.

We should eliminate non d1 games regardless

I support a 4 team tournament. Higher seed hosts each game

If there is a tie for the 4th spot, I think we should do a tiebreaker game at team with better head to head record as well

I really don't have much of an issue with the non-D1 games. They're uninteresting, but they don't hurt RPI like it does when you play bad D1 teams (win or lose).
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