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(03-21-2017 03:37 PM)emu steve Wrote:  I'm not sure I'd use the term 'scapegoated' but after last season, it would seem reasonable that not all personnel, from HC to ass't coaches would be held blameless.

I guess what I meant, is there is a lot of blame to go around, and these two took the brunt of the consequences- probably unfairly. I am not sure if there is any merit to this, but Coach Brown seemed very well regarded with fans and many posters on this board- not just Luckeyone.

If there was a change to be made, this is not what I was looking for. In any case, hoping some benefit comes of it for the program. And I definitely wish Coach Brown and White the best in their next roles.
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(03-21-2017 10:33 PM)RamyEMU Wrote:  
(03-21-2017 03:37 PM)emu steve Wrote:  I'm not sure I'd use the term 'scapegoated' but after last season, it would seem reasonable that not all personnel, from HC to ass't coaches would be held blameless.

I guess what I meant, is there is a lot of blame to go around, and these two took the brunt of the consequences- probably unfairly. I am not sure if there is any merit to this, but Coach Brown seemed very well regarded with fans and many posters on this board- not just Luckeyone.

If there was a change to be made, this is not what I was looking for. In any case, hoping some benefit comes of it for the program. And I definitely wish Coach Brown and White the best in their next roles.

This is where us fans are at a real disadvantage. We really don't know what goes on behind the scenes.

One can contrasts it to football where there are offensive and defensive coordinators, position coaches, etc.

It is easy to pin success or failure on coordinators or position coaches.

Much harder in MBB where roles are much less defined.

Should be interesting to see the 'new' MBB coaching staff (two new assistants). I have no idea what Murphy will look for.
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Nick Madray is transferring to Wagner.

http://verbalcommits.com/players/nick-madray
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RE: Unofficial 2017/18 Off Season MBB's Thread
(03-21-2017 04:47 PM)emu steve Wrote:  
(03-21-2017 03:45 PM)EagleSam Wrote:  
(03-21-2017 03:37 PM)emu steve Wrote:  
(03-21-2017 03:21 PM)RamyEMU Wrote:  
(03-21-2017 01:04 PM)emu steve Wrote:  I disagree. This has the finger prints of the AD's office on it.

I don't know the interactions of Heather and Christian in their oversight of MBB so I wouldn't say it was either or both, but at minimum Heather had to agree and carry it out.

I agree with both of you guys simultaneously. I could see the ADs coming down hard on Murphy and demanding changes. And Murphy turning around and saying he is willing to make changes.

I think in the end, we all thought changes were needed. Brown and White got scapegoated by the process rather than by the coach or AD. At least this is my hunch.

I'm not sure I'd use the term 'scapegoated' but after last season, it would seem reasonable that not all personnel, from HC to ass't coaches would be held blameless.

The bigger question, in my opinion, is how the assistant coaches were assessed? coaching? recruiting? relating?

Looking forward, this does affect recruiting as Brown and White were out front recruiting wise.

I'm curious who recruited/recruiting Epps?

Going back to some posts with EagleSam, I believe, assuming Epps stays committed, that we have only one scholarship to give. Therefore there isn't much 2017 recruiting left to do.

Yep, but I can't imagine everyone from our roster returning. I wouldn't be shocked if either LWH or Madray transferred to play their final season elsewhere, since front court minutes will be at a premium with Minnie becoming eligible.

I bet we end up with 2 scholarships to use that will go to Malik Ellison and a JUCO shooting guard.

EDIT: And if that scenario ends up being the case, this will be Murphy's largest incoming freshmen class in his tenure. Silver, Epps, Ellison, and (technically) Groce. The future would be pretty bright.

As far as Madray and LWH.

I assume there is a good chance that Madray will graduate this year and could be a graduate eligible.

That said, Madray did not have a good season (vis-a-vis what he did at Binghamton) and I wonder how much D-I interest he'd get.

As posted verbal commits is saying Madray is transferring to Wagner.
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No surprise to me.

I always felt that he played out of position (I see him as a '4' not a '5') all year and under-performed.

I think this is a good move for him. He gets a grad transfer year. A free year of grad school is a good thing.
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Here is what I see for 2017/18 (to date):

C: JT4, Steele, (Blake) Brown
PF: Minnie, LWH, Nobles
SF: Bond, Nobles, Harris, Groce, Epps
SG: Harris, Epps, Silver,
PG: Jackson, Bond, (Jalen) Brown,

Once again, if I didn't miscount, I count 11 scholarship players, down one from 12 with the transfer of Madray.
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(03-22-2017 05:37 AM)emu steve Wrote:  Here is what I see for 2017/18 (to date):

C: JT4, Steele, (Blake) Brown
PF: Minnie, LWH, Nobles
SF: Bond, Nobles, Harris, Groce, Epps
SG: Harris, Epps, Silver,
PG: Jackson, Bond, (Jalen) Brown,

Once again, if I didn't miscount, I count 11 scholarship players, down one from 12 with the transfer of Madray.

Guards for the two spots pg. sg. or combo juco or frosh or combination
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One thing about LWH. He didn't have much of a year in 2016/17. Don't know if there was something more that we don't know.

Sometimes things happen or going on that we don't know.

In Madray's case, I believe the answer is easier to explain. I think he was forced to play '5' when '4' is his natural position. He was simply overmatched at 5 in the MAC with its strong centers.

Re: Harris. I have heard NOTHING about his abilities, skills and which position is best for him. I have him plugged in at both SF/SG, but I really don't have a good idea as to his best position.
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(03-22-2017 05:37 AM)emu steve Wrote:  Here is what I see for 2017/18 (to date):

C: JT4, Steele, (Blake) Brown
PF: Minnie, LWH, Nobles
SF: Bond, Nobles, Harris, Groce, Epps
SG: Harris, Epps, Silver,
PG: Jackson, Bond, (Jalen) Brown,

Once again, if I didn't miscount, I count 11 scholarship players, down one from 12 with the transfer of Madray.

We still have way too many upperclassmen forwards. I don't think the attrition is done.

Madray leaving frees us up to add a JUCO shooting guard and to sign Malik Ellison, once he's done winning a state championship.
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I wonder if there will be an official announcement. I can also see both coaches left themselves knowing that next year they will most likely be fired or just not extended.
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(03-22-2017 07:27 AM)realistEagle Wrote:  I wonder if there will be an official announcement. I can also see both coaches left themselves knowing that next year they will most likely be fired or just not extended.

Are you contradicting yourself?

You posted earlier that they were fired.

Are you walking that back and saying they resigned now to avoid be fired or non-extended next year?
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(03-21-2017 11:28 AM)RamyEMU Wrote:  Has there been any confirmation on the status of White and Brown? Would be dissapointed they are gone regardless of reason.

I heard they were fired. No idea why and if it was Murphy's or someone else's decision. I am shocked to be honest. Wonder why they were let go and not let's say Mondro? It seemed to me that Brown and Murphy were inseparable. Very strange situation, I would love to find out what actually happened.

This is the post I refer too.
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(03-22-2017 08:07 AM)emu steve Wrote:  
(03-21-2017 11:53 AM)realistEagle Wrote:  
(03-21-2017 11:28 AM)RamyEMU Wrote:  Has there been any confirmation on the status of White and Brown? Would be dissapointed they are gone regardless of reason.

I heard they were fired. No idea why and if it was Murphy's or someone else's decision. I am shocked to be honest. Wonder why they were let go and not let's say Mondro? It seemed to me that Brown and Murphy were inseparable. Very strange situation, I would love to find out what actually happened.

This is the post I refer too.

I am just wondering what happened. Not sure if they got fired or left themselves. I talked to some folks close to the team and not one person would say they got fired. Up to this point all I have heard is "it was time to make changes" and "it is a business". So yeah, not a lot of people will admit to being fired but at this point it might be safe to say that they were let go. Not sure who made the final decision but does it really matter? Not a fan of this move to be honest and I do not see any assistant coming in and out of nowhere changing Murphy's whole coaching philosophy.
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(03-22-2017 08:41 AM)realistEagle Wrote:  
(03-22-2017 08:07 AM)emu steve Wrote:  
(03-21-2017 11:53 AM)realistEagle Wrote:  
(03-21-2017 11:28 AM)RamyEMU Wrote:  Has there been any confirmation on the status of White and Brown? Would be dissapointed they are gone regardless of reason.

I heard they were fired. No idea why and if it was Murphy's or someone else's decision. I am shocked to be honest. Wonder why they were let go and not let's say Mondro? It seemed to me that Brown and Murphy were inseparable. Very strange situation, I would love to find out what actually happened.

This is the post I refer too.

I am just wondering what happened. Not sure if they got fired or left themselves. I talked to some folks close to the team and not one person would say they got fired. Up to this point all I have heard is "it was time to make changes" and "it is a business". So yeah, not a lot of people will admit to being fired but at this point it might be safe to say that they were let go. Not sure who made the final decision but does it really matter? Not a fan of this move to be honest and I do not see any assistant coming in and out of nowhere changing Murphy's whole coaching philosophy.

Sounds like they were fired. In the professional world the difference between being fired and resigning isn't much, sometimes semantics.
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(03-22-2017 08:41 AM)realistEagle Wrote:  
(03-22-2017 08:07 AM)emu steve Wrote:  
(03-21-2017 11:53 AM)realistEagle Wrote:  
(03-21-2017 11:28 AM)RamyEMU Wrote:  Has there been any confirmation on the status of White and Brown? Would be dissapointed they are gone regardless of reason.

I heard they were fired. No idea why and if it was Murphy's or someone else's decision. I am shocked to be honest. Wonder why they were let go and not let's say Mondro? It seemed to me that Brown and Murphy were inseparable. Very strange situation, I would love to find out what actually happened.

This is the post I refer too.
Not a fan of this move to be honest and I do not see any assistant coming in and out of nowhere changing Murphy's whole coaching philosophy.

This. We can be hopeful that he brings someone in with an offensive mind that can be tailored to the talent we have, but I'm not very optimistic.

At this rate, the players will have to save Murphy's butt, because I can't see us doing anything other than a 2-3 zone and a middle school offense. We'll see if the newcomers, in addition to veterans like Bond and Thompson, can get us out of the mediocrity.
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(03-22-2017 09:17 AM)EagleSam Wrote:  
(03-22-2017 08:41 AM)realistEagle Wrote:  
(03-22-2017 08:07 AM)emu steve Wrote:  
(03-21-2017 11:53 AM)realistEagle Wrote:  
(03-21-2017 11:28 AM)RamyEMU Wrote:  Has there been any confirmation on the status of White and Brown? Would be dissapointed they are gone regardless of reason.

I heard they were fired. No idea why and if it was Murphy's or someone else's decision. I am shocked to be honest. Wonder why they were let go and not let's say Mondro? It seemed to me that Brown and Murphy were inseparable. Very strange situation, I would love to find out what actually happened.

This is the post I refer too.
Not a fan of this move to be honest and I do not see any assistant coming in and out of nowhere changing Murphy's whole coaching philosophy.

This. We can be hopeful that he brings someone in with an offensive mind that can be tailored to the talent we have, but I'm not very optimistic.

At this rate, the players will have to save Murphy's butt, because I can't see us doing anything other than a 2-3 zone and a middle school offense. We'll see if the newcomers, in addition to veterans like Bond and Thompson, can get us out of the mediocrity.

Will a MAC West title be enough for an extension? Or are deep MAC tourny run will be needed as well? Personally, I don't see either one happening.
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(03-22-2017 09:24 AM)realistEagle Wrote:  
(03-22-2017 09:17 AM)EagleSam Wrote:  
(03-22-2017 08:41 AM)realistEagle Wrote:  
(03-22-2017 08:07 AM)emu steve Wrote:  
(03-21-2017 11:53 AM)realistEagle Wrote:  I heard they were fired. No idea why and if it was Murphy's or someone else's decision. I am shocked to be honest. Wonder why they were let go and not let's say Mondro? It seemed to me that Brown and Murphy were inseparable. Very strange situation, I would love to find out what actually happened.

This is the post I refer too.
Not a fan of this move to be honest and I do not see any assistant coming in and out of nowhere changing Murphy's whole coaching philosophy.

This. We can be hopeful that he brings someone in with an offensive mind that can be tailored to the talent we have, but I'm not very optimistic.

At this rate, the players will have to save Murphy's butt, because I can't see us doing anything other than a 2-3 zone and a middle school offense. We'll see if the newcomers, in addition to veterans like Bond and Thompson, can get us out of the mediocrity.

Will a MAC West title be enough for an extension? Or are deep MAC tourny run will be needed as well? Personally, I don't see either one happening.

In my eyes, he would need to get a top 4 seed and probably be at least 11-7 in conference. If that happens, then I'd have no problem extending him.

But it's a pretty lofty expectation, considering Murphy has never been better than 10-8 (once) and 5th overall (twice) in conference.

Even with my current views of Murphy, and wanting a change to be made, I'll always take an optimistic slant. If we sign Malik Ellison, then we would have 4 very intriguing freshmen, and a reason to be excited about the future, no matter who the coach is.

I hope Murphy figures out a way to guide this team to the Big Dance...However, my expectations are low.
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I see this like what we see in the NFL, etc.: Make changes to your staff to correct deficiencies to save your (HC) job.

Didn't the Lions fire their offensive coordinator back in what 2015 and they kept the head coach. That actually worked out well and the Lions look poised to have a very good offense in 2017.

Sometimes changes work. Sometimes they don't. No guarantees in making coaching changes.
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(03-22-2017 09:40 AM)EagleSam Wrote:  
(03-22-2017 09:24 AM)realistEagle Wrote:  
(03-22-2017 09:17 AM)EagleSam Wrote:  
(03-22-2017 08:41 AM)realistEagle Wrote:  
(03-22-2017 08:07 AM)emu steve Wrote:  This is the post I refer too.
Not a fan of this move to be honest and I do not see any assistant coming in and out of nowhere changing Murphy's whole coaching philosophy.

This. We can be hopeful that he brings someone in with an offensive mind that can be tailored to the talent we have, but I'm not very optimistic.

At this rate, the players will have to save Murphy's butt, because I can't see us doing anything other than a 2-3 zone and a middle school offense. We'll see if the newcomers, in addition to veterans like Bond and Thompson, can get us out of the mediocrity.

Will a MAC West title be enough for an extension? Or are deep MAC tourny run will be needed as well? Personally, I don't see either one happening.

In my eyes, he would need to get a top 4 seed and probably be at least 11-7 in conference. If that happens, then I'd have no problem extending him.

But it's a pretty lofty expectation, considering Murphy has never been better than 10-8 (once) and 5th overall (twice) in conference.

Even with my current views of Murphy, and wanting a change to be made, I'll always take an optimistic slant. If we sign Malik Ellison, then we would have 4 very intriguing freshmen, and a reason to be excited about the future, no matter who the coach is.

I hope Murphy figures out a way to guide this team to the Big Dance...However, my expectations are low.

I share the lack of optimism. Is a quality assistant with the right offensive schemes going to want to come in for potentially only a year in order to work for a coach on the hot seat. Could get lucky, but in all likelihood this will not be an appealing position to quality candidates.

Feels like a change for change sake.
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(03-22-2017 09:24 AM)realistEagle Wrote:  
(03-22-2017 09:17 AM)EagleSam Wrote:  
(03-22-2017 08:41 AM)realistEagle Wrote:  
(03-22-2017 08:07 AM)emu steve Wrote:  
(03-21-2017 11:53 AM)realistEagle Wrote:  I heard they were fired. No idea why and if it was Murphy's or someone else's decision. I am shocked to be honest. Wonder why they were let go and not let's say Mondro? It seemed to me that Brown and Murphy were inseparable. Very strange situation, I would love to find out what actually happened.

This is the post I refer too.
Not a fan of this move to be honest and I do not see any assistant coming in and out of nowhere changing Murphy's whole coaching philosophy.

This. We can be hopeful that he brings someone in with an offensive mind that can be tailored to the talent we have, but I'm not very optimistic.

At this rate, the players will have to save Murphy's butt, because I can't see us doing anything other than a 2-3 zone and a middle school offense. We'll see if the newcomers, in addition to veterans like Bond and Thompson, can get us out of the mediocrity.

Will a MAC West title be enough for an extension? Or are deep MAC tourny run will be needed as well? Personally, I don't see either one happening.

I don't want either of these events to come true. I want Murphy gone. It was nice to see a decent crowd for senior day. If we fix the preseason schedule and find a coach who can win 2 of 3 games, we'll be on our way. If the next coach fails, we find another until we get it right. We just need to follow my hiring rules.
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