(03-21-2017 12:08 PM)TechRocks Wrote:  So Russians hacked both camps and released information that made American voters better informed, some changed their vote and the corrupt Hillary and her willing accomplises in the press went down the tubes. I'm good with that.

I remember the good old days when I was a commie. What memories!

Hah. Yep, we're comunists for being glad that DNC underhanded campaign techniques were brought to light. But you aren't a shill.

(03-21-2017 11:36 AM)Fitbud Wrote:  

(03-21-2017 07:55 AM)bullet Wrote:  New York Fake News Times headline is Comey's "Haunting News on Trump and Russia."

Hardly surprising they can take nothing and make it "haunting."

Is this the same NYT that supposedly reported that Trump Tower was being "wire tapped".

That doesn't count.

It's not fake news if it supports Trump.

(03-21-2017 12:28 PM)ARandomHerdFan Wrote:  

(03-21-2017 11:36 AM)Fitbud Wrote:  

(03-21-2017 07:55 AM)bullet Wrote:  New York Fake News Times headline is Comey's "Haunting News on Trump and Russia."

Hardly surprising they can take nothing and make it "haunting."

Is this the same NYT that supposedly reported that Trump Tower was being "wire tapped".

That doesn't count.

It's not fake news if it supports Trump.

Well it was supposed to hurt Trump. So either it was a huge lie or Trump is telling the truth. NY Times is either lying then or now.

(03-21-2017 11:11 AM)WKUYG Wrote:  Here's the thing some people are not getting or at the very least understanding.....

Since Donald J Trump became a threat to win the Republican nomination his life has been looked at by some of the most powerful organizations on this earth. That would include leaders of the Republican party to start with. Then all the might of the USA media. Since winning that nomination you can add a factor of 4 to that. You can add the Democrat party and you also have the power of a sitting President and all the agencies at their finger tips.

None of us have seen anything close to this in our lifetime. Today this world is connected, like no other time. What one person says at 9am today goes around the world with in 12 hours and can be heard by anyone with a smart phone or PC...my guess, 75% or higher in all but 3rd world countries.

Everything you do today leaves a trail of some kind and it's been that way for well over two decades. Everything said over a cell phone or computer is traceable. Every deal a person makes there is a record of it. The only thing half way safe is the words you say in private and one on one. Even then, depending on where you are, it can be heard and recorded.

Now think about this for a minute....

Since July Donald J Trump has had his life looked at by the CIA, FBI, NSA, and many others in the government of the most powerful country on this earth. Not only that but also by the media of the most powerful press in the world. Then you have over 50% of the voting public that would love to be able to point their finger at the man and say anything they know on him.

With all of that what do we have, today, March 21st, 2017 to show for all of those efforts to bring down one man?

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(03-21-2017 12:30 PM)bullet Wrote:  

(03-21-2017 12:28 PM)ARandomHerdFan Wrote:  

(03-21-2017 11:36 AM)Fitbud Wrote:  

(03-21-2017 07:55 AM)bullet Wrote:  New York Fake News Times headline is Comey's "Haunting News on Trump and Russia."

Hardly surprising they can take nothing and make it "haunting."

Is this the same NYT that supposedly reported that Trump Tower was being "wire tapped".

That doesn't count.

It's not fake news if it supports Trump.

Well it was supposed to hurt Trump. So either it was a huge lie or Trump is telling the truth. NY Times is either lying then or now.

The times isn't lying in either case. Every news organization is calling what happened yesterday unprecedented.

As for the wire tapping, The NYT never said any such thing.

(03-21-2017 10:53 AM)Redwingtom Wrote:  Not according to Comey's testimony yesterday. The RNC was also hacked.

And while yes, Hillary and the D's hurt themselves in any number of ways...that does not change the fact that their private information was stolen and made public. Doesn't matter how lax their security was or wasn't, it was still stolen.

And you can cuss and call me a liar with no proof all you want...I'll let the mods deal with that. But I am not a registered Democrat. In fact, the last time I registered it was as a Republican as I wanted to vote in the Republican primary when I lived in Ohio. In the primary last year in Michigan, I voted on the Democrat ballot because I wanted to vote for Bernie as I wanted him to run against Trump.

I'm a liberal...so naturally my views will more closely align with the Democrats...but I am not a member of their party because for the most part they're giant wimps and cowards. If I've told you guys this once I've told you two dozen times now.

If you want to continue to ignore what I'm telling you then you my friend have some problems that you need to deal with.

Clearly - modern liberal and not a classical liberal.

What I find humorous in all of this is when the DNC was hacked and team Hilary was compromised, we were told to ignore the substance of the information and should be outraged over the leaks themselves. However, people have been leaking info about Trump in the past few weeks - with his 2005 tax return being the "expose goldmine" that Maddow was going to skewer Trump with. In this case, we were told to ignore the fact that this info was leaked and to instead focus on the leaked information.

(03-21-2017 01:23 PM)miko33 Wrote:  

(03-21-2017 10:53 AM)Redwingtom Wrote:  Not according to Comey's testimony yesterday. The RNC was also hacked.

And while yes, Hillary and the D's hurt themselves in any number of ways...that does not change the fact that their private information was stolen and made public. Doesn't matter how lax their security was or wasn't, it was still stolen.

And you can cuss and call me a liar with no proof all you want...I'll let the mods deal with that. But I am not a registered Democrat. In fact, the last time I registered it was as a Republican as I wanted to vote in the Republican primary when I lived in Ohio. In the primary last year in Michigan, I voted on the Democrat ballot because I wanted to vote for Bernie as I wanted him to run against Trump.

I'm a liberal...so naturally my views will more closely align with the Democrats...but I am not a member of their party because for the most part they're giant wimps and cowards. If I've told you guys this once I've told you two dozen times now.

If you want to continue to ignore what I'm telling you then you my friend have some problems that you need to deal with.

Clearly - modern liberal and not a classical liberal.

What I find humorous in all of this is when the DNC was hacked and team Hilary was compromised, we were told to ignore the substance of the information and should be outraged over the leaks themselves. However, people have been leaking info about Trump in the past few weeks - with his 2005 tax return being the "expose goldmine" that Maddow was going to skewer Trump with. In this case, we were told to ignore the fact that this info was leaked and to instead focus on the leaked information.

I think you have it backwards. When the leaks were coming out, Trump was praising the leaks and said he loved Wikileaks.

He even asked the Russians publicly to do more of it.

Now he suddenly wants something done about it.

(03-21-2017 01:26 PM)Fitbud Wrote:  

(03-21-2017 01:23 PM)miko33 Wrote:  

(03-21-2017 10:53 AM)Redwingtom Wrote:  Not according to Comey's testimony yesterday. The RNC was also hacked.

And while yes, Hillary and the D's hurt themselves in any number of ways...that does not change the fact that their private information was stolen and made public. Doesn't matter how lax their security was or wasn't, it was still stolen.

And you can cuss and call me a liar with no proof all you want...I'll let the mods deal with that. But I am not a registered Democrat. In fact, the last time I registered it was as a Republican as I wanted to vote in the Republican primary when I lived in Ohio. In the primary last year in Michigan, I voted on the Democrat ballot because I wanted to vote for Bernie as I wanted him to run against Trump.

I'm a liberal...so naturally my views will more closely align with the Democrats...but I am not a member of their party because for the most part they're giant wimps and cowards. If I've told you guys this once I've told you two dozen times now.

If you want to continue to ignore what I'm telling you then you my friend have some problems that you need to deal with.

Clearly - modern liberal and not a classical liberal.

What I find humorous in all of this is when the DNC was hacked and team Hilary was compromised, we were told to ignore the substance of the information and should be outraged over the leaks themselves. However, people have been leaking info about Trump in the past few weeks - with his 2005 tax return being the "expose goldmine" that Maddow was going to skewer Trump with. In this case, we were told to ignore the fact that this info was leaked and to instead focus on the leaked information.

I think you have it backwards. When the leaks were coming out, Trump was praising the leaks and said he loved Wikileaks.

He even asked the Russians publicly to do more of it.

Now he suddenly wants something done about it.

Ah, but both sets of leaks are not the same. The DNC leaks were against a political party and not a part of the U.S. government. It's up to the Dem party to keep their house in order. The leaks we see in 2017 - these are leaks of classified U.S. info/intel. Very different scenario.

(03-21-2017 01:42 PM)miko33 Wrote:  

(03-21-2017 01:26 PM)Fitbud Wrote:  

(03-21-2017 01:23 PM)miko33 Wrote:  

(03-21-2017 10:53 AM)Redwingtom Wrote:  Not according to Comey's testimony yesterday. The RNC was also hacked.

And while yes, Hillary and the D's hurt themselves in any number of ways...that does not change the fact that their private information was stolen and made public. Doesn't matter how lax their security was or wasn't, it was still stolen.

And you can cuss and call me a liar with no proof all you want...I'll let the mods deal with that. But I am not a registered Democrat. In fact, the last time I registered it was as a Republican as I wanted to vote in the Republican primary when I lived in Ohio. In the primary last year in Michigan, I voted on the Democrat ballot because I wanted to vote for Bernie as I wanted him to run against Trump.

I'm a liberal...so naturally my views will more closely align with the Democrats...but I am not a member of their party because for the most part they're giant wimps and cowards. If I've told you guys this once I've told you two dozen times now.

If you want to continue to ignore what I'm telling you then you my friend have some problems that you need to deal with.

Clearly - modern liberal and not a classical liberal.

What I find humorous in all of this is when the DNC was hacked and team Hilary was compromised, we were told to ignore the substance of the information and should be outraged over the leaks themselves. However, people have been leaking info about Trump in the past few weeks - with his 2005 tax return being the "expose goldmine" that Maddow was going to skewer Trump with. In this case, we were told to ignore the fact that this info was leaked and to instead focus on the leaked information.

I think you have it backwards. When the leaks were coming out, Trump was praising the leaks and said he loved Wikileaks.

He even asked the Russians publicly to do more of it.

Now he suddenly wants something done about it.

Ah, but both sets of leaks are not the same. The DNC leaks were against a political party and not a part of the U.S. government. It's up to the Dem party to keep their house in order. The leaks we see in 2017 - these are leaks of classified U.S. info/intel. Very different scenario.

The leaks were against both political parties and they were made to undermine our democratic process.

If that isn't grounds to punish the leakers, I don't know what is.

(03-21-2017 01:47 PM)Fitbud Wrote:  

(03-21-2017 01:42 PM)miko33 Wrote:  

(03-21-2017 01:26 PM)Fitbud Wrote:  

(03-21-2017 01:23 PM)miko33 Wrote:  

(03-21-2017 10:53 AM)Redwingtom Wrote:  Not according to Comey's testimony yesterday. The RNC was also hacked.

And while yes, Hillary and the D's hurt themselves in any number of ways...that does not change the fact that their private information was stolen and made public. Doesn't matter how lax their security was or wasn't, it was still stolen.

And you can cuss and call me a liar with no proof all you want...I'll let the mods deal with that. But I am not a registered Democrat. In fact, the last time I registered it was as a Republican as I wanted to vote in the Republican primary when I lived in Ohio. In the primary last year in Michigan, I voted on the Democrat ballot because I wanted to vote for Bernie as I wanted him to run against Trump.

I'm a liberal...so naturally my views will more closely align with the Democrats...but I am not a member of their party because for the most part they're giant wimps and cowards. If I've told you guys this once I've told you two dozen times now.

If you want to continue to ignore what I'm telling you then you my friend have some problems that you need to deal with.

Clearly - modern liberal and not a classical liberal.

What I find humorous in all of this is when the DNC was hacked and team Hilary was compromised, we were told to ignore the substance of the information and should be outraged over the leaks themselves. However, people have been leaking info about Trump in the past few weeks - with his 2005 tax return being the "expose goldmine" that Maddow was going to skewer Trump with. In this case, we were told to ignore the fact that this info was leaked and to instead focus on the leaked information.

I think you have it backwards. When the leaks were coming out, Trump was praising the leaks and said he loved Wikileaks.

He even asked the Russians publicly to do more of it.

Now he suddenly wants something done about it.

Ah, but both sets of leaks are not the same. The DNC leaks were against a political party and not a part of the U.S. government. It's up to the Dem party to keep their house in order. The leaks we see in 2017 - these are leaks of classified U.S. info/intel. Very different scenario.

The leaks were against both political parties and they were made to undermine our democratic process.

If that isn't grounds to punish the leakers, I don't know what is.

What can you say Fit? Chinese hackers have been stealing secrets from U.S. corporations on Obama's watch and nothing was done about it. Hackers infiltrated both political parties on Obama's watch and nothing was done about it. Seems to me that if this was a serious situation that Obama should have done something about it. Wonder why he didn't - for any of these hacking actions made against private U.S. entities by foreign governments?

(03-21-2017 01:26 PM)Fitbud Wrote:  

(03-21-2017 01:23 PM)miko33 Wrote:  

(03-21-2017 10:53 AM)Redwingtom Wrote:  Not according to Comey's testimony yesterday. The RNC was also hacked.

And while yes, Hillary and the D's hurt themselves in any number of ways...that does not change the fact that their private information was stolen and made public. Doesn't matter how lax their security was or wasn't, it was still stolen.

And you can cuss and call me a liar with no proof all you want...I'll let the mods deal with that. But I am not a registered Democrat. In fact, the last time I registered it was as a Republican as I wanted to vote in the Republican primary when I lived in Ohio. In the primary last year in Michigan, I voted on the Democrat ballot because I wanted to vote for Bernie as I wanted him to run against Trump.

I'm a liberal...so naturally my views will more closely align with the Democrats...but I am not a member of their party because for the most part they're giant wimps and cowards. If I've told you guys this once I've told you two dozen times now.

If you want to continue to ignore what I'm telling you then you my friend have some problems that you need to deal with.

Clearly - modern liberal and not a classical liberal.

What I find humorous in all of this is when the DNC was hacked and team Hilary was compromised, we were told to ignore the substance of the information and should be outraged over the leaks themselves. However, people have been leaking info about Trump in the past few weeks - with his 2005 tax return being the "expose goldmine" that Maddow was going to skewer Trump with. In this case, we were told to ignore the fact that this info was leaked and to instead focus on the leaked information.

I think you have it backwards. When the leaks were coming out, Trump was praising the leaks and said he loved Wikileaks.

He even asked the Russians publicly to do more of it.

Now he suddenly wants something done about it.

Now is that really what he said? I understand that's what you and the media heard but was it what was actually said?

Let me answer that for you, of course not and what Trump said was in a joking way. Not the serious tone the media wants everyone to believe it was said in.

What was actually said goes close to this and let me set the stage before saying it...

Trump looking into the camera and jokingly says the below. This after saying if it was Russia doing the hacking they probably have those emails.....





"'Russia, I hope you can find the 30,000 emails that are missing. I think you will be rewarded mightily by our press"

Well one article yesterday said Trump Tower was being bugged. The FBI was investigating Russian gamblers whose office was 3 floors below Trump. Could that be the source of the claims by the liberals that Trump was being wire-tapped?

Or it could be a total fiction. They've done that. Or their claims could be total fiction now.

One thing IS certain. The media can't be believed any more than politicians. You have to look at their sources and see if anyone else is running with the story. That after seeing if it makes any sense in the first place. Golden showers? Really?