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RE: The Dookies are going down
(03-19-2017 10:40 PM)Penny Lane Wrote:  
(03-19-2017 10:31 PM)memtiger1987 Wrote:  
(03-19-2017 10:27 PM)Penny Lane Wrote:  
(03-19-2017 10:24 PM)HobosHeroesStCornerClowns Wrote:  And Memphis beat SC by double digits during the reg season.

Without Thornwell

I still can't believe we beat them, even without Thornwell...

They are a decent 3-4 place AAC team without him. Martin said one of worst games of the year. And before people start on Frank Martin and how long it takes to build a program:

They are football school. Basketball has been irrelevant there forever. Two round of 25 finishes.

Their last Win in NCAAs before this year was 1973. So yes, a LONG rebuilding job.

The reality is our program is in a worse position than when Cal left. We have a coach that builds his teams off four year players. He doesn't have a foundation. It will take time. Everyone needs to stop complaining. Cal isn't coming through those doors to give us the #1 recruiting class and actually be able to coach them up

Fuente built his teams with five year players coaching them up. We are seeing the reward even after he leaves, one by continued success and two actually attracting a real coach. The same will be done in basketball. Unfortunately it's going to take time. The players Pastner brought in felt entitled and are mentally weak and weren't coached up.
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03-20-2017 07:33 AM
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(03-19-2017 10:31 PM)TubbyTime Wrote:  Frank Martin is a prime example of give a guy a chance before you proclaim he can't get it done. Show some patience and let your coach build the program. Frank's first two seasons at SC were losing seasons. He's in year 5, and now he's going to the sweet 16. I wonder how the fans on this board would act if Tubby had two losing seasons?

Congratulations to Frank Martin.

I don't even want to imagine, it's bad enough as it is now
03-20-2017 08:32 AM
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RE: The Dookies are going down
(03-19-2017 10:31 PM)TubbyTime Wrote:  Frank Martin is a prime example of give a guy a chance before you proclaim he can't get it done. Show some patience and let your coach build the program. Frank's first two seasons at SC were losing seasons. He's in year 5, and now he's going to the sweet 16. I wonder how the fans on this board would act if Tubby had two losing seasons?

Congratulations to Frank Martin.

But, again, Martin took over a 10 win team who graduated their leading scorer. Of course it will take more time. And like Pearl at AU, he had to add a couple warm bodies just to have a team that would win more than five or six games.

Of course, too, for his first real recruiting class, Martin snagged two top-100 players--including #33 overall Sindarius Thornwell. He's also signed two more 4* and a 5* (#25 overall) PJ Dozier. So, let's not act like Martin is just "coaching up" a bunch of underachievers.

Martin also didn't walk into a situation with the preseason conference POY and eventual conference ROY and just really need to hustle a bit in April to add a couple decent players to make his first team a NCAA team.
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Awesome game and loved the results!
03-20-2017 09:07 AM
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RE: The Dookies are going down
The culture was bad at South Carolina

The culture has become bad at Memphis

It doesn't matter how long it's been bad the fact is its bad.

We will know all we need to know by the end of next season
03-20-2017 11:27 AM
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Still beat them.
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(03-20-2017 12:00 PM)fsquid Wrote:  Still beat them.

Yay?
03-20-2017 12:18 PM
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(03-20-2017 12:18 PM)HoopDreams Wrote:  
(03-20-2017 12:00 PM)fsquid Wrote:  Still beat them.

Yay?

better than nay
03-20-2017 12:40 PM
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ACC...

Guess it was overrated

#2, #2, #3, #4, #5 all gone...Not one ACC team will outperform their seed line in this tourney. Hell only one has made as far as they should have so far.
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No ACC team has beaten a team with a seed better than an 8
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(03-20-2017 12:59 PM)macgar32 Wrote:  No ACC team has beaten a team with a seed better than an 8

but, but, but the ACC is the greatest college basketball conference?????
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RE: The Dookies are going down
(03-20-2017 07:33 AM)TubbyBall Wrote:  
(03-19-2017 10:40 PM)Penny Lane Wrote:  
(03-19-2017 10:31 PM)memtiger1987 Wrote:  
(03-19-2017 10:27 PM)Penny Lane Wrote:  
(03-19-2017 10:24 PM)HobosHeroesStCornerClowns Wrote:  And Memphis beat SC by double digits during the reg season.

Without Thornwell

I still can't believe we beat them, even without Thornwell...

They are a decent 3-4 place AAC team without him. Martin said one of worst games of the year. And before people start on Frank Martin and how long it takes to build a program:

They are football school. Basketball has been irrelevant there forever. Two round of 25 finishes.

Their last Win in NCAAs before this year was 1973. So yes, a LONG rebuilding job.

The reality is our program is in a worse position than when Cal left. We have a coach that builds his teams off four year players. He doesn't have a foundation. It will take time. Everyone needs to stop complaining. Cal isn't coming through those doors to give us the #1 recruiting class and actually be able to coach them up

Fuente built his teams with five year players coaching them up. We are seeing the reward even after he leaves, one by continued success and two actually attracting a real coach. The same will be done in basketball. Unfortunately it's going to take time. The players Pastner brought in felt entitled and are mentally weak and weren't coached up.

Good points. There is a small footprint of a foundation with KJ, Markel, Jeremiah. But there's no full pipeline of 4 year players or consistency. And even those 3 are culturally and mentally weak right now. It showed in their inconsistent play.
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I miss Grayson Allen already.
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(03-20-2017 04:02 PM)Hoots Wrote:  I miss Grayson Allen already.

No joke. That kid's a trip.
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Coach K announced that he's suspending Grayson for the rest of the tourney.
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He also admitted Corey Magette and Lance Thomas should have been ineligible and is willing to forego postseason play this season, and remove any Round of 32 banners.
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(03-20-2017 04:05 PM)fsquid Wrote:  Coach K announced that he's suspending Grayson for the rest of the tourney.

LOL!!! That's funny, right there.
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