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2016 NCAA Athletic Department Revenue for the P5 and the next 15 Highest G5
The number by the school is it's national position. But I have broken them out by P conference / independents / and hopefuls.

ACC
17. Florida State-123,344,314
20. Louisville-112,146,501
27. Virginia-100,632,895
30. Clemson-95,800,326
37. Duke-91,971,836
40. North Carolina-90,969,518
43. Miami-85,615,972
46. Virginia Tech-84,064,779
47. Syracuse-82,676,841
49. N.C. State-80,255,029
60. Pittsburgh-71,314,082
62. Boston College-71,314,082 P5 schools earning below 65th position
66. Georgia Tech-62,260,693
67. Wake Forest-62053,971

ACC Conference Mean: $87,034,205


Big 10
02. Ohio State-169,904,847
05. Michigan-146,219,589
11. Penn State-132,306,528
13. Wisconsin-130,045,544
19. Iowa-117,002,340
22. Nebraska-109,967,175
23. Minnesota-107,705,479
26. Michigan State-100,914,623
32. Maryland-94,101,697
33. Indiana-93,938,599
51. Rutgers-78,845,894
53. Purdue-78,517,673
54. Illinois-78,395,389
57. Northwestern-77,906,464

Big 10 Conference Mean: $108,269,417


Big 12
01. Texas-182,104,126
04. Oklahoma-150,371,578
31. Kansas-94,697,418
34. T.C.U.-93,259,382
39. West Virginia-91,412,352
41. Baylor-90,769,041
42. Oklahoma State-90,049,297
55. Iowa State-78,355,500
56. Kansas State-77,936,660
61. Texas Tech-72,750,020

Big 12 Conference Mean: $102,170,537


PAC
21. Stanford-112,036,255
24. Washington-107,154,560
25. U.S.C.-106,195,078
28. U.C.L.A.-98,913,023
35. Oregon-92,375,046
36. Arizona State-92,146,148
45. California-84,200,594
48. Arizona-81,279,425
58. Oregon State-77,667,685
59. Colorado-77,276,890
63. Washington State-71,285,725
64. Utah-70,346,405

PAC Conference Mean: $89,239,736


SEC
03. Alabama-164,005,589
06. L.S.U.-141,456,764
07. Auburn-140,070,592
08. Tennessee-135,949,847
10. Florida-134,033,664
12. Texas A&M-131,045,544
14. Arkansas-127,316,374
15. Kentucky-124,006,908
16. Georgia-123,841,268
18. South Carolina-122,331,092
29. Mississippi-98,377,760
38. Missouri-91,573,174
44. Mississippi State-84,564,899
52. Vanderbilt-78,793,574

SEC Conference Mean: $121,240,504

Independents and G5 schools in the top 65:

09. Notre Dame-134,211,095
50. Connecticut-79,267,924
65. Brigham Young-62,563279

Best of the G5:
68. Southern Methodist-56,909,280
69. Tulane-53,141,211
70. Central Florida-52,317,442
71. Houston-50,886,777
72. Temple-50,886,490
73. Memphis-49,849,343
74. South Florida-48,405,192
75. San Diego St.-46,683,110
76. Cincinnati-43,367,493
77. East Carolina-43,045,337
78. Hawaii-41,997,257
79. Freson State-41,892,171
80. Tulsa-40,465,787

Everyone else earns below $40,000,000.

Conference Mean Earning Rankings:
1. SEC: $121,240,504
2. Big 10: $108,269,417
3. Big 12: $102,170,537
4. PAC: $89,239,736
5. ACC: $87,034,205

Conference breakdown by School Revenue
100,000,000 plus: SEC-10, Big 10-8, ACC-3, PAC-3, Big 12-2
90,000,000 plus: Big 12-5, ACC-3, PAC-3, SEC-2, Big 10-2
80,000,000 plus: ACC-4, PAC-2, SEC-1, Big 10-0, Big 12-0
70,000,000 plus: PAC-4, Big 10-4, Big 12-3, ACC-2, SEC-1
60,000,000 plus: ACC-2
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RE: 2016 NCAA Athletic Department Revenue for the P5 and the next 15 Highest G5
The Big 12 really does bring down some good revenue overall. Now obviously UT and OU up the averages, but the top 7 are in a strong position.
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(03-18-2017 03:32 PM)AllTideUp Wrote:  The Big 12 really does bring down some good revenue overall. Now obviously UT and OU up the averages, but the top 7 are in a strong position.

You will of course note that even if the Big 10 gets their 5 million dollar increase in TV revenue (more like 3.5) that they keep hollering about they will still be almost 8 million per school average lower than the SEC schools in total revenue.

It also means that should we expand out of the Big 12 we have to have either Texas or Oklahoma to make a second school from that group at 90 million work. Just some food for thought. It also means that Florida State is now the only prospect from the ACC that pays their way, although I'm sure we would make an exception for either of the Virginia Schools (UVA preferable) or for U.N.C. but both of those are doubtful unless the ACCN thing doesn't pan out.
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(03-18-2017 05:26 PM)JRsec Wrote:  
(03-18-2017 03:32 PM)AllTideUp Wrote:  The Big 12 really does bring down some good revenue overall. Now obviously UT and OU up the averages, but the top 7 are in a strong position.

You will of course note that even if the Big 10 gets their 5 million dollar increase in TV revenue (more like 3.5) that they keep hollering about they will still be almost 8 million per school average lower than the SEC schools in total revenue.

It also means that should we expand out of the Big 12 we have to have either Texas or Oklahoma to make a second school from that group at 90 million work. Just some food for thought. It also means that Florida State is now the only prospect from the ACC that pays their way, although I'm sure we would make an exception for either of the Virginia Schools (UVA preferable) or for U.N.C. but both of those are doubtful unless the ACCN thing doesn't pan out.

Actually what it means is that the SEC is in the best position to add any school and still be making as much or more than any other conference.
Who is to say that the other schools in the SEC wouldn't give up a million or two to get other advantages for their conference.
I'm still looking for Texas to move to the ACC with either TCU or Baylor, or be traded to the PAC for "considerations".
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RE: 2016 NCAA Athletic Department Revenue for the P5 and the next 15 Highest G5
(03-18-2017 06:01 PM)XLance Wrote:  
(03-18-2017 05:26 PM)JRsec Wrote:  
(03-18-2017 03:32 PM)AllTideUp Wrote:  The Big 12 really does bring down some good revenue overall. Now obviously UT and OU up the averages, but the top 7 are in a strong position.

You will of course note that even if the Big 10 gets their 5 million dollar increase in TV revenue (more like 3.5) that they keep hollering about they will still be almost 8 million per school average lower than the SEC schools in total revenue.

It also means that should we expand out of the Big 12 we have to have either Texas or Oklahoma to make a second school from that group at 90 million work. Just some food for thought. It also means that Florida State is now the only prospect from the ACC that pays their way, although I'm sure we would make an exception for either of the Virginia Schools (UVA preferable) or for U.N.C. but both of those are doubtful unless the ACCN thing doesn't pan out.

Actually what it means is that the SEC is in the best position to add any school and still be making as much or more than any other conference.
Who is to say that the other schools in the SEC wouldn't give up a million or two to get other advantages for their conference.
I'm still looking for Texas to move to the ACC with either TCU or Baylor, or be traded to the PAC for "considerations".

It means that we can economically take Oklahoma and any one of the following: Kansas, Oklahoma State, or West Virginia. I don't think Baylor would get consideration at this point and we don't need T.C.U. if we get OU.
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(03-18-2017 07:25 PM)JRsec Wrote:  
(03-18-2017 06:01 PM)XLance Wrote:  
(03-18-2017 05:26 PM)JRsec Wrote:  
(03-18-2017 03:32 PM)AllTideUp Wrote:  The Big 12 really does bring down some good revenue overall. Now obviously UT and OU up the averages, but the top 7 are in a strong position.

You will of course note that even if the Big 10 gets their 5 million dollar increase in TV revenue (more like 3.5) that they keep hollering about they will still be almost 8 million per school average lower than the SEC schools in total revenue.

It also means that should we expand out of the Big 12 we have to have either Texas or Oklahoma to make a second school from that group at 90 million work. Just some food for thought. It also means that Florida State is now the only prospect from the ACC that pays their way, although I'm sure we would make an exception for either of the Virginia Schools (UVA preferable) or for U.N.C. but both of those are doubtful unless the ACCN thing doesn't pan out.

Actually what it means is that the SEC is in the best position to add any school and still be making as much or more than any other conference.
Who is to say that the other schools in the SEC wouldn't give up a million or two to get other advantages for their conference.
I'm still looking for Texas to move to the ACC with either TCU or Baylor, or be traded to the PAC for "considerations".

It means that we can economically take Oklahoma and any one of the following: Kansas, Oklahoma State, or West Virginia. I don't think Baylor would get consideration at this point and we don't need T.C.U. if we get OU.

You won't be getting Tejas.
If Oklahoma goes brain dead and heads to the B1G................
The SEC needs another Texas school.
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(03-18-2017 08:17 PM)XLance Wrote:  
(03-18-2017 07:25 PM)JRsec Wrote:  
(03-18-2017 06:01 PM)XLance Wrote:  
(03-18-2017 05:26 PM)JRsec Wrote:  
(03-18-2017 03:32 PM)AllTideUp Wrote:  The Big 12 really does bring down some good revenue overall. Now obviously UT and OU up the averages, but the top 7 are in a strong position.

You will of course note that even if the Big 10 gets their 5 million dollar increase in TV revenue (more like 3.5) that they keep hollering about they will still be almost 8 million per school average lower than the SEC schools in total revenue.

It also means that should we expand out of the Big 12 we have to have either Texas or Oklahoma to make a second school from that group at 90 million work. Just some food for thought. It also means that Florida State is now the only prospect from the ACC that pays their way, although I'm sure we would make an exception for either of the Virginia Schools (UVA preferable) or for U.N.C. but both of those are doubtful unless the ACCN thing doesn't pan out.

Actually what it means is that the SEC is in the best position to add any school and still be making as much or more than any other conference.
Who is to say that the other schools in the SEC wouldn't give up a million or two to get other advantages for their conference.
I'm still looking for Texas to move to the ACC with either TCU or Baylor, or be traded to the PAC for "considerations".

It means that we can economically take Oklahoma and any one of the following: Kansas, Oklahoma State, or West Virginia. I don't think Baylor would get consideration at this point and we don't need T.C.U. if we get OU.

You won't be getting Tejas.
If Oklahoma goes brain dead and heads to the B1G................
The SEC needs another Texas school.

In that case it would be T.C.U. if we decided to expand. If Texas heads to the ACC Oklahoma will not go to the Big 10. They can't afford to go to the Big 10 unless Texas goes with them and ESPN isn't letting that happen.

If the PAC throws in with ESPN and Texas heads west then OU might go with them and take OSU with them.

Should that happen T.C.U. and either Kansas or West Virginia might get a look but there are no guarantees.
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(03-18-2017 06:01 PM)XLance Wrote:  
(03-18-2017 05:26 PM)JRsec Wrote:  
(03-18-2017 03:32 PM)AllTideUp Wrote:  The Big 12 really does bring down some good revenue overall. Now obviously UT and OU up the averages, but the top 7 are in a strong position.

You will of course note that even if the Big 10 gets their 5 million dollar increase in TV revenue (more like 3.5) that they keep hollering about they will still be almost 8 million per school average lower than the SEC schools in total revenue.

It also means that should we expand out of the Big 12 we have to have either Texas or Oklahoma to make a second school from that group at 90 million work. Just some food for thought. It also means that Florida State is now the only prospect from the ACC that pays their way, although I'm sure we would make an exception for either of the Virginia Schools (UVA preferable) or for U.N.C. but both of those are doubtful unless the ACCN thing doesn't pan out.

Actually what it means is that the SEC is in the best position to add any school and still be making as much or more than any other conference.
Who is to say that the other schools in the SEC wouldn't give up a million or two to get other advantages for their conference.
I'm still looking for Texas to move to the ACC with either TCU or Baylor, or be traded to the PAC for "considerations".

Or just add no one and make even more.

If we can't land the ones we want then we probably do nothing, but if we went crazy and said we have to do something then might as well go for projects in new markets. There's absolutely no need to take Big 12 schools that don't pad our bottom line.
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RE: 2016 NCAA Athletic Department Revenue for the P5 and the next 15 Highest G5
(03-18-2017 09:34 PM)AllTideUp Wrote:  
(03-18-2017 06:01 PM)XLance Wrote:  
(03-18-2017 05:26 PM)JRsec Wrote:  
(03-18-2017 03:32 PM)AllTideUp Wrote:  The Big 12 really does bring down some good revenue overall. Now obviously UT and OU up the averages, but the top 7 are in a strong position.

You will of course note that even if the Big 10 gets their 5 million dollar increase in TV revenue (more like 3.5) that they keep hollering about they will still be almost 8 million per school average lower than the SEC schools in total revenue.

It also means that should we expand out of the Big 12 we have to have either Texas or Oklahoma to make a second school from that group at 90 million work. Just some food for thought. It also means that Florida State is now the only prospect from the ACC that pays their way, although I'm sure we would make an exception for either of the Virginia Schools (UVA preferable) or for U.N.C. but both of those are doubtful unless the ACCN thing doesn't pan out.

Actually what it means is that the SEC is in the best position to add any school and still be making as much or more than any other conference.
Who is to say that the other schools in the SEC wouldn't give up a million or two to get other advantages for their conference.
I'm still looking for Texas to move to the ACC with either TCU or Baylor, or be traded to the PAC for "considerations".

Or just add no one and make even more.

If we can't land the ones we want then we probably do nothing, but if we went crazy and said we have to do something then might as well go for projects in new markets. There's absolutely no need to take Big 12 schools that don't pad our bottom line.

In the long term, 14 is awkward for scheduling. 15 or 16 work much better, the only way the SEC or any conference stays at 14 is if the Big 12 survives past the GOR expiration.
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RE: 2016 NCAA Athletic Department Revenue for the P5 and the next 15 Highest G5
(03-18-2017 09:58 PM)XLance Wrote:  
(03-18-2017 09:34 PM)AllTideUp Wrote:  
(03-18-2017 06:01 PM)XLance Wrote:  
(03-18-2017 05:26 PM)JRsec Wrote:  
(03-18-2017 03:32 PM)AllTideUp Wrote:  The Big 12 really does bring down some good revenue overall. Now obviously UT and OU up the averages, but the top 7 are in a strong position.

You will of course note that even if the Big 10 gets their 5 million dollar increase in TV revenue (more like 3.5) that they keep hollering about they will still be almost 8 million per school average lower than the SEC schools in total revenue.

It also means that should we expand out of the Big 12 we have to have either Texas or Oklahoma to make a second school from that group at 90 million work. Just some food for thought. It also means that Florida State is now the only prospect from the ACC that pays their way, although I'm sure we would make an exception for either of the Virginia Schools (UVA preferable) or for U.N.C. but both of those are doubtful unless the ACCN thing doesn't pan out.

Actually what it means is that the SEC is in the best position to add any school and still be making as much or more than any other conference.
Who is to say that the other schools in the SEC wouldn't give up a million or two to get other advantages for their conference.
I'm still looking for Texas to move to the ACC with either TCU or Baylor, or be traded to the PAC for "considerations".

Or just add no one and make even more.

If we can't land the ones we want then we probably do nothing, but if we went crazy and said we have to do something then might as well go for projects in new markets. There's absolutely no need to take Big 12 schools that don't pad our bottom line.

In the long term, 14 is awkward for scheduling. 15 or 16 work much better, the only way the SEC or any conference stays at 14 is if the Big 12 survives past the GOR expiration.

That in and of itself is not a reason to expand with schools that don't really help.

Anyway, I find it hard to believe that a league with the economic might of the SEC will have to pick over scraps.
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(03-18-2017 10:49 PM)AllTideUp Wrote:  
(03-18-2017 09:58 PM)XLance Wrote:  
(03-18-2017 09:34 PM)AllTideUp Wrote:  
(03-18-2017 06:01 PM)XLance Wrote:  
(03-18-2017 05:26 PM)JRsec Wrote:  You will of course note that even if the Big 10 gets their 5 million dollar increase in TV revenue (more like 3.5) that they keep hollering about they will still be almost 8 million per school average lower than the SEC schools in total revenue.

It also means that should we expand out of the Big 12 we have to have either Texas or Oklahoma to make a second school from that group at 90 million work. Just some food for thought. It also means that Florida State is now the only prospect from the ACC that pays their way, although I'm sure we would make an exception for either of the Virginia Schools (UVA preferable) or for U.N.C. but both of those are doubtful unless the ACCN thing doesn't pan out.

Actually what it means is that the SEC is in the best position to add any school and still be making as much or more than any other conference.
Who is to say that the other schools in the SEC wouldn't give up a million or two to get other advantages for their conference.
I'm still looking for Texas to move to the ACC with either TCU or Baylor, or be traded to the PAC for "considerations".

Or just add no one and make even more.

If we can't land the ones we want then we probably do nothing, but if we went crazy and said we have to do something then might as well go for projects in new markets. There's absolutely no need to take Big 12 schools that don't pad our bottom line.

In the long term, 14 is awkward for scheduling. 15 or 16 work much better, the only way the SEC or any conference stays at 14 is if the Big 12 survives past the GOR expiration.

That in and of itself is not a reason to expand with schools that don't really help.

Anyway, I find it hard to believe that a league with the economic might of the SEC will have to pick over scraps.

We won't. Our schools are averaging almost 20 million more than most Big 12 schools and 24 million more than ACC schools. That's why we annoy the hell out of all the other conference posters. Florida State could pay 100,000 million to walk away from the ACC and make it up in 4 years.

It won't happen that way because of ESPN but we have a tremendous amount of clout.

On top of that I wouldn't be absolutely convinced that Texas would rule us out. If OU came our way it would make for a compelling reason for Texas to consider it.

Arkansas, Texas A&M, Oklahoma, and L.S.U. on their annual schedule would be hard to ignore. Even Missouri is a renewal for them. Plus if Alabama and Auburn head East it gives them essentially their own very regional division.

And since Texas is all about the money, well then there's that too. ESPN would be happy just to have them in the fold.
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(03-19-2017 12:36 AM)JRsec Wrote:  
(03-18-2017 10:49 PM)AllTideUp Wrote:  
(03-18-2017 09:58 PM)XLance Wrote:  
(03-18-2017 09:34 PM)AllTideUp Wrote:  
(03-18-2017 06:01 PM)XLance Wrote:  Actually what it means is that the SEC is in the best position to add any school and still be making as much or more than any other conference.
Who is to say that the other schools in the SEC wouldn't give up a million or two to get other advantages for their conference.
I'm still looking for Texas to move to the ACC with either TCU or Baylor, or be traded to the PAC for "considerations".

Or just add no one and make even more.

If we can't land the ones we want then we probably do nothing, but if we went crazy and said we have to do something then might as well go for projects in new markets. There's absolutely no need to take Big 12 schools that don't pad our bottom line.

In the long term, 14 is awkward for scheduling. 15 or 16 work much better, the only way the SEC or any conference stays at 14 is if the Big 12 survives past the GOR expiration.

That in and of itself is not a reason to expand with schools that don't really help.

Anyway, I find it hard to believe that a league with the economic might of the SEC will have to pick over scraps.

We won't. Our schools are averaging almost 20 million more than most Big 12 schools and 24 million more than ACC schools. That's why we annoy the hell out of all the other conference posters. Florida State could pay 100,000 million to walk away from the ACC and make it up in 4 years.

It won't happen that way because of ESPN but we have a tremendous amount of clout.

On top of that I wouldn't be absolutely convinced that Texas would rule us out. If OU came our way it would make for a compelling reason for Texas to consider it.

Arkansas, Texas A&M, Oklahoma, and L.S.U. on their annual schedule would be hard to ignore. Even Missouri is a renewal for them. Plus if Alabama and Auburn head East it gives them essentially their own very regional division.

And since Texas is all about the money, well then there's that too. ESPN would be happy just to have them in the fold.

Do you mean something like this?

66 teams, two conferences with three divisions of 11.


SEC/PAC/Big 12

Florida, Georgia, South Carolina, Tennessee, Kentucky, Vanderbilt, Auburn, Alabama, Mississippi, Miss. State and West Virginia

Arkansas, Oklahoma State, Oklahoma, Texas, Texas A&M, Baylor, TCU, Texas Tech, LSU, Colorado, BYU

Washington, Washington State, Oregon, Oregon State, Stanford, California, Southern Cal, UCLA, Arizona, Arizona State, and Utah


ACC/B1G

Purdue, Notre Dame, Boston College, Syracuse, Rutgers, Penn State, Pitt, Louisville, Ohio State Michigan, Michigan State

Indiana, Illinois, Northwestern, Wisconsin, Minnesota, Iowa, Iowa State, Nebraska, Kansas, Kansas State and Missouri

Maryland, UVa, Va. Tech, Carolina, NC State, Wake Forest, Dook, Clemson, Ga. Tech, Florida State, and Miami


I just shows that there is more than on way to skin a cat. I don't have the where-with-all to project numbers for this type of division, but it could be substantial. The biggest down side is that the your three divisions have most of the better football schools.

Things are like molasses but moving quickly at the same time. If ESPN's projections are correct, the ACC will get mega increases even in a declining market for them. The prognosis for the Big 12 is questionable and the projections for the PAC are all over the board.
It still come down to what Texas wants or will agree to. The easiest thing would be for Texas, Oklahoma, Texas Tech and Oklahoma State to run off to the PAC, but there are no guarantees of competitive income and I don't see Texas and Oklahoma buying a pig in a poke.
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(03-19-2017 06:29 AM)XLance Wrote:  
(03-19-2017 12:36 AM)JRsec Wrote:  
(03-18-2017 10:49 PM)AllTideUp Wrote:  
(03-18-2017 09:58 PM)XLance Wrote:  
(03-18-2017 09:34 PM)AllTideUp Wrote:  Or just add no one and make even more.

If we can't land the ones we want then we probably do nothing, but if we went crazy and said we have to do something then might as well go for projects in new markets. There's absolutely no need to take Big 12 schools that don't pad our bottom line.

In the long term, 14 is awkward for scheduling. 15 or 16 work much better, the only way the SEC or any conference stays at 14 is if the Big 12 survives past the GOR expiration.

That in and of itself is not a reason to expand with schools that don't really help.

Anyway, I find it hard to believe that a league with the economic might of the SEC will have to pick over scraps.

We won't. Our schools are averaging almost 20 million more than most Big 12 schools and 24 million more than ACC schools. That's why we annoy the hell out of all the other conference posters. Florida State could pay 100,000 million to walk away from the ACC and make it up in 4 years.

It won't happen that way because of ESPN but we have a tremendous amount of clout.

On top of that I wouldn't be absolutely convinced that Texas would rule us out. If OU came our way it would make for a compelling reason for Texas to consider it.

Arkansas, Texas A&M, Oklahoma, and L.S.U. on their annual schedule would be hard to ignore. Even Missouri is a renewal for them. Plus if Alabama and Auburn head East it gives them essentially their own very regional division.

And since Texas is all about the money, well then there's that too. ESPN would be happy just to have them in the fold.

Do you mean something like this?

66 teams, two conferences with three divisions of 11.


SEC/PAC/Big 12

Florida, Georgia, South Carolina, Tennessee, Kentucky, Vanderbilt, Auburn, Alabama, Mississippi, Miss. State and West Virginia

Arkansas, Oklahoma State, Oklahoma, Texas, Texas A&M, Baylor, TCU, Texas Tech, LSU, Colorado, BYU

Washington, Washington State, Oregon, Oregon State, Stanford, California, Southern Cal, UCLA, Arizona, Arizona State, and Utah


ACC/B1G

Purdue, Notre Dame, Boston College, Syracuse, Rutgers, Penn State, Pitt, Louisville, Ohio State Michigan, Michigan State

Indiana, Illinois, Northwestern, Wisconsin, Minnesota, Iowa, Iowa State, Nebraska, Kansas, Kansas State and Missouri

Maryland, UVa, Va. Tech, Carolina, NC State, Wake Forest, Dook, Clemson, Ga. Tech, Florida State, and Miami


I just shows that there is more than on way to skin a cat. I don't have the where-with-all to project numbers for this type of division, but it could be substantial. The biggest down side is that the your three divisions have most of the better football schools.

Things are like molasses but moving quickly at the same time. If ESPN's projections are correct, the ACC will get mega increases even in a declining market for them. The prognosis for the Big 12 is questionable and the projections for the PAC are all over the board.
It still come down to what Texas wants or will agree to. The easiest thing would be for Texas, Oklahoma, Texas Tech and Oklahoma State to run off to the PAC, but there are no guarantees of competitive income and I don't see Texas and Oklahoma buying a pig in a poke.

I think that culturally the PAC would prefer the merger with the Big 10.

The highest projections for the ACCN put give you a 10 million bump in TV payout over 4 or 5 years after the network is up and running. That, if the SEC remains static, would bring you within 13 million of the overall revenue distributions of the SEC. And while less of a pig in the poke than the PAC it is still not guaranteed.

I don't see conferences getting bigger than 20-24. If it is ever a league 32-36 schools then we will have multiple divisions. The ACC will remain intact even if absorbed into a league or larger conference. You would simply become a more regional division of 6-8 schools.

I think for our present structure the best possible outcome to achieve some balance would be for Texa-homa to head West. But economically and without PACN capitulation I don't see that happening either.

The best possible outcome for the ACC right now would be the old deal. Give up Virginia Tech and N.C. State to the SEC. Add Texas, Oklahoma, and Kansas and let ESPN hold Notre Dame accountable for joining in full. Miami can play in a 1/2 division with Texas, Oklahoma and Kansas and that gives the Horns an annual game with a Florida School. Miami has to fly everywhere but Tallahassee anyway, and they probably fly there.

A move like that enhances the value of the ACCN, just like it would have done in 2011-2. The SECN gets enhanced coverage, but the SEC doesn't add schools that are hyper-competitive or which significantly increase it's value. The Big 10 is then essentially cut off targets that could enhance their value. If they form a union with the PAC then we do the same.
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(03-19-2017 10:09 AM)JRsec Wrote:  
(03-19-2017 06:29 AM)XLance Wrote:  
(03-19-2017 12:36 AM)JRsec Wrote:  
(03-18-2017 10:49 PM)AllTideUp Wrote:  
(03-18-2017 09:58 PM)XLance Wrote:  In the long term, 14 is awkward for scheduling. 15 or 16 work much better, the only way the SEC or any conference stays at 14 is if the Big 12 survives past the GOR expiration.

That in and of itself is not a reason to expand with schools that don't really help.

Anyway, I find it hard to believe that a league with the economic might of the SEC will have to pick over scraps.

We won't. Our schools are averaging almost 20 million more than most Big 12 schools and 24 million more than ACC schools. That's why we annoy the hell out of all the other conference posters. Florida State could pay 100,000 million to walk away from the ACC and make it up in 4 years.

It won't happen that way because of ESPN but we have a tremendous amount of clout.

On top of that I wouldn't be absolutely convinced that Texas would rule us out. If OU came our way it would make for a compelling reason for Texas to consider it.

Arkansas, Texas A&M, Oklahoma, and L.S.U. on their annual schedule would be hard to ignore. Even Missouri is a renewal for them. Plus if Alabama and Auburn head East it gives them essentially their own very regional division.

And since Texas is all about the money, well then there's that too. ESPN would be happy just to have them in the fold.

Do you mean something like this?

66 teams, two conferences with three divisions of 11.


SEC/PAC/Big 12

Florida, Georgia, South Carolina, Tennessee, Kentucky, Vanderbilt, Auburn, Alabama, Mississippi, Miss. State and West Virginia

Arkansas, Oklahoma State, Oklahoma, Texas, Texas A&M, Baylor, TCU, Texas Tech, LSU, Colorado, BYU

Washington, Washington State, Oregon, Oregon State, Stanford, California, Southern Cal, UCLA, Arizona, Arizona State, and Utah


ACC/B1G

Purdue, Notre Dame, Boston College, Syracuse, Rutgers, Penn State, Pitt, Louisville, Ohio State Michigan, Michigan State

Indiana, Illinois, Northwestern, Wisconsin, Minnesota, Iowa, Iowa State, Nebraska, Kansas, Kansas State and Missouri

Maryland, UVa, Va. Tech, Carolina, NC State, Wake Forest, Dook, Clemson, Ga. Tech, Florida State, and Miami


I just shows that there is more than on way to skin a cat. I don't have the where-with-all to project numbers for this type of division, but it could be substantial. The biggest down side is that the your three divisions have most of the better football schools.

Things are like molasses but moving quickly at the same time. If ESPN's projections are correct, the ACC will get mega increases even in a declining market for them. The prognosis for the Big 12 is questionable and the projections for the PAC are all over the board.
It still come down to what Texas wants or will agree to. The easiest thing would be for Texas, Oklahoma, Texas Tech and Oklahoma State to run off to the PAC, but there are no guarantees of competitive income and I don't see Texas and Oklahoma buying a pig in a poke.

I think that culturally the PAC would prefer the merger with the Big 10.

The highest projections for the ACCN put give you a 10 million bump in TV payout over 4 or 5 years after the network is up and running. That, if the SEC remains static, would bring you within 13 million of the overall revenue distributions of the SEC. And while less of a pig in the poke than the PAC it is still not guaranteed.

I don't see conferences getting bigger than 20-24. If it is ever a league 32-36 schools then we will have multiple divisions. The ACC will remain intact even if absorbed into a league or larger conference. You would simply become a more regional division of 6-8 schools.

I think for our present structure the best possible outcome to achieve some balance would be for Texa-homa to head West. But economically and without PACN capitulation I don't see that happening either.

The best possible outcome for the ACC right now would be the old deal. Give up Virginia Tech and N.C. State to the SEC. Add Texas, Oklahoma, and Kansas and let ESPN hold Notre Dame accountable for joining in full. Miami can play in a 1/2 division with Texas, Oklahoma and Kansas and that gives the Horns an annual game with a Florida School. Miami has to fly everywhere but Tallahassee anyway, and they probably fly there.

A move like that enhances the value of the ACCN, just like it would have done in 2011-2. The SECN gets enhanced coverage, but the SEC doesn't add schools that are hyper-competitive or which significantly increase it's value. The Big 10 is then essentially cut off targets that could enhance their value. If they form a union with the PAC then we do the same.

Our internal projections show less than a 10% differential.
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The best possible outcome for the ACC right now would be the old deal. Give up Virginia Tech and N.C. State to the SEC. Add Texas, Oklahoma, and Kansas and let ESPN hold Notre Dame accountable for joining in full.

No, our best possible outcome would be for Texas and one other Texas school (Balyor or TCU) to join the ACC. The market model works for the ACC here in that it puts the ACCN in an additional 8 million homes which would be like adding an additional North Carolina, Virginia and South Carolina.
Oklahoma actually holds little value to the ACC because of limited population (the same goes for Kansas). We need good market penetration and exposure to establish our brand.
The content value of Oklahoma would be helpful to the SEC, however.
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(03-19-2017 12:22 PM)XLance Wrote:  
(03-19-2017 10:09 AM)JRsec Wrote:  
(03-19-2017 06:29 AM)XLance Wrote:  
(03-19-2017 12:36 AM)JRsec Wrote:  
(03-18-2017 10:49 PM)AllTideUp Wrote:  That in and of itself is not a reason to expand with schools that don't really help.

Anyway, I find it hard to believe that a league with the economic might of the SEC will have to pick over scraps.

We won't. Our schools are averaging almost 20 million more than most Big 12 schools and 24 million more than ACC schools. That's why we annoy the hell out of all the other conference posters. Florida State could pay 100,000 million to walk away from the ACC and make it up in 4 years.

It won't happen that way because of ESPN but we have a tremendous amount of clout.

On top of that I wouldn't be absolutely convinced that Texas would rule us out. If OU came our way it would make for a compelling reason for Texas to consider it.

Arkansas, Texas A&M, Oklahoma, and L.S.U. on their annual schedule would be hard to ignore. Even Missouri is a renewal for them. Plus if Alabama and Auburn head East it gives them essentially their own very regional division.

And since Texas is all about the money, well then there's that too. ESPN would be happy just to have them in the fold.

Do you mean something like this?

66 teams, two conferences with three divisions of 11.


SEC/PAC/Big 12

Florida, Georgia, South Carolina, Tennessee, Kentucky, Vanderbilt, Auburn, Alabama, Mississippi, Miss. State and West Virginia

Arkansas, Oklahoma State, Oklahoma, Texas, Texas A&M, Baylor, TCU, Texas Tech, LSU, Colorado, BYU

Washington, Washington State, Oregon, Oregon State, Stanford, California, Southern Cal, UCLA, Arizona, Arizona State, and Utah


ACC/B1G

Purdue, Notre Dame, Boston College, Syracuse, Rutgers, Penn State, Pitt, Louisville, Ohio State Michigan, Michigan State

Indiana, Illinois, Northwestern, Wisconsin, Minnesota, Iowa, Iowa State, Nebraska, Kansas, Kansas State and Missouri

Maryland, UVa, Va. Tech, Carolina, NC State, Wake Forest, Dook, Clemson, Ga. Tech, Florida State, and Miami


I just shows that there is more than on way to skin a cat. I don't have the where-with-all to project numbers for this type of division, but it could be substantial. The biggest down side is that the your three divisions have most of the better football schools.

Things are like molasses but moving quickly at the same time. If ESPN's projections are correct, the ACC will get mega increases even in a declining market for them. The prognosis for the Big 12 is questionable and the projections for the PAC are all over the board.
It still come down to what Texas wants or will agree to. The easiest thing would be for Texas, Oklahoma, Texas Tech and Oklahoma State to run off to the PAC, but there are no guarantees of competitive income and I don't see Texas and Oklahoma buying a pig in a poke.

I think that culturally the PAC would prefer the merger with the Big 10.

The highest projections for the ACCN put give you a 10 million bump in TV payout over 4 or 5 years after the network is up and running. That, if the SEC remains static, would bring you within 13 million of the overall revenue distributions of the SEC. And while less of a pig in the poke than the PAC it is still not guaranteed.

I don't see conferences getting bigger than 20-24. If it is ever a league 32-36 schools then we will have multiple divisions. The ACC will remain intact even if absorbed into a league or larger conference. You would simply become a more regional division of 6-8 schools.

I think for our present structure the best possible outcome to achieve some balance would be for Texa-homa to head West. But economically and without PACN capitulation I don't see that happening either.

The best possible outcome for the ACC right now would be the old deal. Give up Virginia Tech and N.C. State to the SEC. Add Texas, Oklahoma, and Kansas and let ESPN hold Notre Dame accountable for joining in full. Miami can play in a 1/2 division with Texas, Oklahoma and Kansas and that gives the Horns an annual game with a Florida School. Miami has to fly everywhere but Tallahassee anyway, and they probably fly there.

A move like that enhances the value of the ACCN, just like it would have done in 2011-2. The SECN gets enhanced coverage, but the SEC doesn't add schools that are hyper-competitive or which significantly increase it's value. The Big 10 is then essentially cut off targets that could enhance their value. If they form a union with the PAC then we do the same.

Our internal projections show less than a 10% differential.

ACC internal projections have always been compete fluff! You guys are still dead last in revenue and 24 million off of the SEC's mean.
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(03-19-2017 01:38 PM)XLance Wrote:  The best possible outcome for the ACC right now would be the old deal. Give up Virginia Tech and N.C. State to the SEC. Add Texas, Oklahoma, and Kansas and let ESPN hold Notre Dame accountable for joining in full.

No, our best possible outcome would be for Texas and one other Texas school (Balyor or TCU) to join the ACC. The market model works for the ACC here in that it puts the ACCN in an additional 8 million homes which would be like adding an additional North Carolina, Virginia and South Carolina.
Oklahoma actually holds little value to the ACC because of limited population (the same goes for Kansas). We need good market penetration and exposure to establish our brand.
The content value of Oklahoma would be helpful to the SEC, however.

Where do you get this 8 million figure? If you get UT all in you pick up 26 million potential homes.
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An 18 team ACC wouldn't be bad with ND all in with Texas plus one & Cincinnati.

Texas, Houston/TCU, ND, Louisville, Miami & Cincinnati

FSU, Clemson, NC State, Syracuse, BC & WF

VT, NC, Duke, Virginia, Pittsburgh & GT
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(03-19-2017 05:42 PM)Lenvillecards Wrote:  An 18 team ACC wouldn't be bad with ND all in with Texas plus one & Cincinnati.

Texas, Houston/TCU, ND, Louisville, Miami & Cincinnati

FSU, Clemson, NC State, Syracuse, BC & WF

VT, NC, Duke, Virginia, Pittsburgh & GT

I don't think you are going to get Texas. I sincerely doubt you get them all in unless you offer at least 3 more bids to their buddies.

Taking Cincinnati, Connecticut, West Virginia, and getting N.D. to throw all in is your best ticket for a conference that lands new markets, and keeps it's geographical integrity.

The SEC is in the best position to make a play for 4 Big 12 schools. Our Western boundary is their Eastern boundary, and we have several of their old rivals.
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(03-19-2017 04:59 PM)JRsec Wrote:  
(03-19-2017 01:38 PM)XLance Wrote:  The best possible outcome for the ACC right now would be the old deal. Give up Virginia Tech and N.C. State to the SEC. Add Texas, Oklahoma, and Kansas and let ESPN hold Notre Dame accountable for joining in full.

No, our best possible outcome would be for Texas and one other Texas school (Balyor or TCU) to join the ACC. The market model works for the ACC here in that it puts the ACCN in an additional 8 million homes which would be like adding an additional North Carolina, Virginia and South Carolina.
Oklahoma actually holds little value to the ACC because of limited population (the same goes for Kansas). We need good market penetration and exposure to establish our brand.
The content value of Oklahoma would be helpful to the SEC, however.

Where do you get this 8 million figure? If you get UT all in you pick up 26 million potential homes.

Texas has a population of 26 million. I figure a average of 3.x people per household. That's about 8 million homes.
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