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RE: Rumor-UConn and Cincy to ACC in 2018?
(03-18-2017 01:10 PM)DefCONNOne Wrote:  
(03-18-2017 12:37 PM)Pervis_Griffith Wrote:  
(03-18-2017 12:29 PM)DefCONNOne Wrote:  
(03-18-2017 12:16 PM)Pervis_Griffith Wrote:  
(03-18-2017 11:59 AM)nzmorange Wrote:  This won't happen, and this thread won't end well.


THIS.

You seem happy about that. Why?


How do you get that I am happy about this?

Well I sure as heck don't see you outraged at nzmorange's take. That's how.

Not to mention you're a Louisville fan, which means you're for UCONN's continued downward spiral into irrelevance.

Let Me set the record straight , Louisville Fans, Athletic staffs and players do Not Hate UConn. Both are very competitive schools and You guys knocked out Kentucky in the NCAA twice. On this board a few years ago there were a couple of UConn fans that were very annoying towards Louisville and other Big East schools that were leaving. No,for the most part, UConn has a lot of respect given to it's great programs now and in the future.
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RE: Rumor-UConn and Cincy to ACC in 2018?
(03-18-2017 07:20 PM)CougarRed Wrote:  
(03-18-2017 06:51 PM)nzmorange Wrote:  Fan interest drives media value, not random and arbitrary geographic lines.

Good thing that UH kicks ass in TV ratings in the city of Houston. Which has about 5-6 million citizens and expected to double by 2050.

Remember how the SEC was praised for expanding with Mizzou. 6 million people live in Missouri. Remember how the Big 10 was praised for exanding into Maryland. 6 million people live in Maryland.

Houston is almost the same size as those two states.

You're talking about arbitrary geographic lines.

Houston doesn't have Penn State's fan support (part of the reason UMD was added), nor does it have UMD's.

It also probably doesn't have MIZZOU's, and it has the added baggage of being in an area that would cut into SEC/TAMU recruiting. There's no way that Aky, LSU, and TAMU would want to elevate Houston.

But back to my original comments: revenue is a factor of how many people will buy a product and the price that they will pay to buy it. That calculation is entirely based off of fan interest.
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RE: Rumor-UConn and Cincy to ACC in 2018?
So ESPN is going to pay 45 million each year and more (going forward) at the same time Disney has ordered another round of cost cutting..make no mistake about it...this isn't the last round of cost cutting either. I still predict ESPN News abd Classic will both be shuttered at some point.

Neither of these programs add enough value to even break even for what the cost would be.

Keep in mind and think about it....It's the Alabama/Florida/LSU/Ohio State/Michigan/Penn State/USC/UCLA/Flawda St and a handful of other FB programs and very few BB (like NC/Duke/Kansas) that more or less justify these Teevee deals.....The Big Brands are the value not the middle of the pack and cellar dwellers. Without these historically Flagship FB programs to carry the conference there would be no Teevee deals the likes we see. Yes, I know abut Rutgers and whatever but those days seem to have passed... ESPN has lost 12% of its subscriber base in recent years s the days of charging more because whatever state is added isn't gonna work anymore..that ship has sailed....Now i'm sure some will say otherwise but the numbers and cost cutting are FACT no matter how anyone spins it. I do know for FACT as recent and 4 or 5 years ago many many many many many people said what's going on now in regards to ESPN would never happen.

In closing...UCONN and Cincy are not top tier programs in the big revenue sport of FB...keep in mind these Teevee deals are crafted in terms of value 80% FB 20% BB. The most fortunate schools in college sports are some of the charter members of the Power Conferences that historically have done nothing and have very little tradition in the revenue sports..some basically have no tradition at all..they live off the Big Dogs..it is what it is.
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RE: Rumor-UConn and Cincy to ACC in 2018?
Acc at 18

North: BC, uconn, cuse, nd, Pitt, wvu
Central: uva, v tech, unc, duke, nc state, wake
South: cincy, lville, Clem, GT, Fsu, Miami

Could work if deregulation passes. The other option would be if the sec added 2 acc schools and the acc added 2-3 schools so both leagues are at 16.

Sec adds fsu and Clemson to bolster the sec east
Acc adds uconn, wvu and cincy
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(03-18-2017 07:48 PM)nzmorange Wrote:  
(03-18-2017 07:20 PM)CougarRed Wrote:  
(03-18-2017 06:51 PM)nzmorange Wrote:  Fan interest drives media value, not random and arbitrary geographic lines.

Good thing that UH kicks ass in TV ratings in the city of Houston. Which has about 5-6 million citizens and expected to double by 2050.

Remember how the SEC was praised for expanding with Mizzou. 6 million people live in Missouri. Remember how the Big 10 was praised for exanding into Maryland. 6 million people live in Maryland.

Houston is almost the same size as those two states.

You're talking about arbitrary geographic lines.

Houston doesn't have Penn State's fan support (part of the reason UMD was added), nor does it have UMD's.

It also probably doesn't have MIZZOU's, and it has the added baggage of being in an area that would cut into SEC/TAMU recruiting. There's no way that Aky, LSU, and TAMU would want to elevate Houston.

But back to my original comments: revenue is a factor of how many people will buy a product and the price that they will pay to buy it. That calculation is entirely based off of fan interest.

Ehh... Those geographic lines are and they aren't arbitrary. Even here inNew England where college sports aren't die hard like the Midwest or South. Id be willing to bet there are more "t-shirt" Providence College fans in Westerly, RI and "t-shirt" UConn fans in Stonington, CT ever if they live a few miles apart.
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(03-18-2017 07:57 PM)Bigdog731 Wrote:  So ESPN is going to pay 45 million each year and more (going forward) at the same time Disney has ordered another round of cost cutting..make no mistake about it...this isn't the last round of cost cutting either. I still predict ESPN News abd Classic will both be shuttered at some point.

Neither of these programs add enough value to even break even for what the cost would be.

Keep in mind and think about it....It's the Alabama/Florida/LSU/Ohio State/Michigan/Penn State/USC/UCLA/Flawda St and a handful of other FB programs and very few BB (like NC/Duke/Kansas) that more or less justify these Teevee deals.....The Big Brands are the value not the middle of the pack and cellar dwellers. Without these historically Flagship FB programs to carry the conference there would be no Teevee deals the likes we see. Yes, I know abut Rutgers and whatever but those days seem to have passed... ESPN has lost 12% of its subscriber base in recent years s the days of charging more because whatever state is added isn't gonna work anymore..that ship has sailed....Now i'm sure some will say otherwise but the numbers and cost cutting are FACT no matter how anyone spins it. I do know for FACT as recent and 4 or 5 years ago many many many many many people said what's going on now in regards to ESPN would never happen.

In closing...UCONN and Cincy are not top tier programs in the big revenue sport of FB...keep in mind these Teevee deals are crafted in terms of value 80% FB 20% BB. The most fortunate schools in college sports are some of the charter members of the Power Conferences that historically have done nothing and have very little tradition in the revenue sports..some basically have no tradition at all..they live off the Big Dogs..it is what it is.

I like your style Big Dog.

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(03-18-2017 09:48 PM)Huskies12 Wrote:  
(03-18-2017 07:48 PM)nzmorange Wrote:  
(03-18-2017 07:20 PM)CougarRed Wrote:  
(03-18-2017 06:51 PM)nzmorange Wrote:  Fan interest drives media value, not random and arbitrary geographic lines.

Good thing that UH kicks ass in TV ratings in the city of Houston. Which has about 5-6 million citizens and expected to double by 2050.

Remember how the SEC was praised for expanding with Mizzou. 6 million people live in Missouri. Remember how the Big 10 was praised for exanding into Maryland. 6 million people live in Maryland.

Houston is almost the same size as those two states.

You're talking about arbitrary geographic lines.

Houston doesn't have Penn State's fan support (part of the reason UMD was added), nor does it have UMD's.

It also probably doesn't have MIZZOU's, and it has the added baggage of being in an area that would cut into SEC/TAMU recruiting. There's no way that Aky, LSU, and TAMU would want to elevate Houston.

But back to my original comments: revenue is a factor of how many people will buy a product and the price that they will pay to buy it. That calculation is entirely based off of fan interest.

Ehh... Those geographic lines are and they aren't arbitrary. Even here inNew England where college sports aren't die hard like the Midwest or South. Id be willing to bet there are more "t-shirt" Providence College fans in Westerly, RI and "t-shirt" UConn fans in Stonington, CT ever if they live a few miles apart.

You're changing the discussion to fan support (where the discussion should be). The original claim was that geography mattered in and of itself (i.e. school A is B miles from market C, which has D number of people in it and is therefore worth E dollars). That claim isn't true. Otherwise Yale would equal UConn, which would equal Western Connecticut State University, and so on and so forth.
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The hell geography doesn't matter when it comes to charging cable subscribers extra for a conference network!
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(03-18-2017 10:53 PM)CougarRed Wrote:  The hell geography doesn't matter when it comes to charging cable subscribers extra for a conference network!
It's like every other business on the world.

It's all supply and demand.

You're looking at bundles and thinking that they're unique, but the underlying economic mechanisms are no different than the ones that McDonald's uses for Happy Meals.

Nobody can force anybody to buy anything. They can only bundle assets together to create a new asset w/ a different demand curve and therefore different price elasticity characteristics.

Markets do not matter. Fan interest (demand) matters.
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(03-18-2017 06:24 PM)DavidSt Wrote:  I think this could be the death nail for the Big 12 if the ACC and other conferences jumped to take the teams that were in the running for the Big 12. If the P4 take schools from the MWC, AAC, SBC, MAC and C-USA that are top notch programs? Big 12 will have nobody to choose from, and could be torn apart.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Death_knell
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(03-18-2017 11:08 PM)ChooChoo Wrote:  
(03-18-2017 06:24 PM)DavidSt Wrote:  I think this could be the death nail for the Big 12 if the ACC and other conferences jumped to take the teams that were in the running for the Big 12. If the P4 take schools from the MWC, AAC, SBC, MAC and C-USA that are top notch programs? Big 12 will have nobody to choose from, and could be torn apart.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Death_knell

I think David St intentionally used the term death nail over the more established death knell.
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(03-18-2017 02:37 PM)domer1978 Wrote:  
(03-18-2017 02:29 PM)Wolfman Wrote:  
(03-18-2017 02:19 PM)DefCONNOne Wrote:  Also, to the clown(s) who suggested Navy will be getting #16 in the very unlikely event ND decides to forsake their (faux) independence...the Cleveland Browns have a better chance of winning Super Bowl 51 than Navy getting an ACC invite.

Add me to the clown list. I don't think Navy will be #16 but I don't think they are a bad choice. National reputation. Good academics. Located in the MD/DC area. Relationship with Notre Dame. Military academy. Army/Navy game(s).

I don't think they are on the top of the list but I believe they are on the list.
If we wanted them they would be the choice. UConn guy won't except that. I understand why because they know UConn will not be the choice if we have a pick.

If Notre Dame made Navy a condition of joining, then yes. If Notre Dame wanted Navy after joining, uhhh..NO!!
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(03-18-2017 07:57 PM)Bigdog731 Wrote:  So ESPN is going to pay 45 million each year and more (going forward) at the same time Disney has ordered another round of cost cutting..make no mistake about it...this isn't the last round of cost cutting either. I still predict ESPN News abd Classic will both be shuttered at some point.

Neither of these programs add enough value to even break even for what the cost would be.

Keep in mind and think about it....It's the Alabama/Florida/LSU/Ohio State/Michigan/Penn State/USC/UCLA/Flawda St and a handful of other FB programs and very few BB (like NC/Duke/Kansas) that more or less justify these Teevee deals.....The Big Brands are the value not the middle of the pack and cellar dwellers. Without these historically Flagship FB programs to carry the conference there would be no Teevee deals the likes we see. Yes, I know abut Rutgers and whatever but those days seem to have passed... ESPN has lost 12% of its subscriber base in recent years s the days of charging more because whatever state is added isn't gonna work anymore..that ship has sailed....Now i'm sure some will say otherwise but the numbers and cost cutting are FACT no matter how anyone spins it. I do know for FACT as recent and 4 or 5 years ago many many many many many people said what's going on now in regards to ESPN would never happen.

In closing...UCONN and Cincy are not top tier programs in the big revenue sport of FB...keep in mind these Teevee deals are crafted in terms of value 80% FB 20% BB. The most fortunate schools in college sports are some of the charter members of the Power Conferences that historically have done nothing and have very little tradition in the revenue sports..some basically have no tradition at all..they live off the Big Dogs..it is what it is.

Considering how ESPN considers themselves leaders in sports journalism, I can see ESPN talking to Disney about doing an experiment with ESPN News-putting all of its sports talk shows on ESPN News, and getting back to sports coverage on the other ESPN channels. I can definitely see ESPN Classic getting shuttered on tv, but being revived as a streaming online subscription option.
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(03-19-2017 02:07 AM)DawgNBama Wrote:  
(03-18-2017 07:57 PM)Bigdog731 Wrote:  So ESPN is going to pay 45 million each year and more (going forward) at the same time Disney has ordered another round of cost cutting..make no mistake about it...this isn't the last round of cost cutting either. I still predict ESPN News abd Classic will both be shuttered at some point.

Neither of these programs add enough value to even break even for what the cost would be.

Keep in mind and think about it....It's the Alabama/Florida/LSU/Ohio State/Michigan/Penn State/USC/UCLA/Flawda St and a handful of other FB programs and very few BB (like NC/Duke/Kansas) that more or less justify these Teevee deals.....The Big Brands are the value not the middle of the pack and cellar dwellers. Without these historically Flagship FB programs to carry the conference there would be no Teevee deals the likes we see. Yes, I know abut Rutgers and whatever but those days seem to have passed... ESPN has lost 12% of its subscriber base in recent years s the days of charging more because whatever state is added isn't gonna work anymore..that ship has sailed....Now i'm sure some will say otherwise but the numbers and cost cutting are FACT no matter how anyone spins it. I do know for FACT as recent and 4 or 5 years ago many many many many many people said what's going on now in regards to ESPN would never happen.

In closing...UCONN and Cincy are not top tier programs in the big revenue sport of FB...keep in mind these Teevee deals are crafted in terms of value 80% FB 20% BB. The most fortunate schools in college sports are some of the charter members of the Power Conferences that historically have done nothing and have very little tradition in the revenue sports..some basically have no tradition at all..they live off the Big Dogs..it is what it is.

Considering how ESPN considers themselves leaders in sports journalism, I can see ESPN talking to Disney about doing an experiment with ESPN News-putting all of its sports talk shows on ESPN News, and getting back to sports coverage on the other ESPN channels. I can definitely see ESPN Classic getting shuttered on tv, but being revived as a streaming online subscription option.


It is cheaper to run Classic than it is with News. You don't have live shows on classic.
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(03-19-2017 01:49 AM)DawgNBama Wrote:  
(03-18-2017 02:37 PM)domer1978 Wrote:  
(03-18-2017 02:29 PM)Wolfman Wrote:  
(03-18-2017 02:19 PM)DefCONNOne Wrote:  Also, to the clown(s) who suggested Navy will be getting #16 in the very unlikely event ND decides to forsake their (faux) independence...the Cleveland Browns have a better chance of winning Super Bowl 51 than Navy getting an ACC invite.

Add me to the clown list. I don't think Navy will be #16 but I don't think they are a bad choice. National reputation. Good academics. Located in the MD/DC area. Relationship with Notre Dame. Military academy. Army/Navy game(s).

I don't think they are on the top of the list but I believe they are on the list.
If we wanted them they would be the choice. UConn guy won't except that. I understand why because they know UConn will not be the choice if we have a pick.

If Notre Dame made Navy a condition of joining, then yes. If Notre Dame wanted Navy after joining, uhhh..NO!!
That's what I am saying.
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It would be Navy in the group as well. Navy would make 18. Navy would be the magic 6 number for them to join.
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(03-18-2017 10:49 PM)nzmorange Wrote:  
(03-18-2017 09:48 PM)Huskies12 Wrote:  
(03-18-2017 07:48 PM)nzmorange Wrote:  
(03-18-2017 07:20 PM)CougarRed Wrote:  
(03-18-2017 06:51 PM)nzmorange Wrote:  Fan interest drives media value, not random and arbitrary geographic lines.

Good thing that UH kicks ass in TV ratings in the city of Houston. Which has about 5-6 million citizens and expected to double by 2050.

Remember how the SEC was praised for expanding with Mizzou. 6 million people live in Missouri. Remember how the Big 10 was praised for exanding into Maryland. 6 million people live in Maryland.

Houston is almost the same size as those two states.

You're talking about arbitrary geographic lines.

Houston doesn't have Penn State's fan support (part of the reason UMD was added), nor does it have UMD's.

It also probably doesn't have MIZZOU's, and it has the added baggage of being in an area that would cut into SEC/TAMU recruiting. There's no way that Aky, LSU, and TAMU would want to elevate Houston.

But back to my original comments: revenue is a factor of how many people will buy a product and the price that they will pay to buy it. That calculation is entirely based off of fan interest.

Ehh... Those geographic lines are and they aren't arbitrary. Even here inNew England where college sports aren't die hard like the Midwest or South. Id be willing to bet there are more "t-shirt" Providence College fans in Westerly, RI and "t-shirt" UConn fans in Stonington, CT ever if they live a few miles apart.

You're changing the discussion to fan support (where the discussion should be). The original claim was that geography mattered in and of itself (i.e. school A is B miles from market C, which has D number of people in it and is therefore worth E dollars). That claim isn't true. Otherwise Yale would equal UConn, which would equal Western Connecticut State University, and so on and so forth.

Yeah but it usually is localized outside of Notre Dame Army and Navy. Syracuse has fan support its not in Michigan, it's in Upstate New York, Colgate also has fan support, not in Michigan, it's in upstate New York. Syracuse has more, but nobody's arguing in New Hampshire if it's Syracuse country vs Colgate county because nobody in New Hampshire cares about either, they only care about college hockey, geography does matter.

It you go to Plattsburgh people might be taking about Syracuse, if you go across the lake to Burlington they are probably talking about how Vermont upset Syracuse 15 years ago.
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On the surface I look at this as a totally fake rumor with a faulty premise but if the ACC is looking at revenues based upon subscriber fees to their new network it might be advantageous to add a couple of respectable former Power Conference members to their club in order to pick up subscriber fees (as well as broadcast inventory). Maybe the math works out that the addition is worth it.

Another thing it could do is create Pod scheduling that could give them greater scheduling flexibility and perhaps a more clear path to get the best two teams to the title game.
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(03-19-2017 08:38 AM)Fighting Muskie Wrote:  On the surface I look at this as a totally fake rumor with a faulty premise but if the ACC is looking at revenues based upon subscriber fees to their new network it might be advantageous to add a couple of respectable former Power Conference members to their club in order to pick up subscriber fees (as well as broadcast inventory). Maybe the math works out that the addition is worth it.

Another thing it could do is create Pod scheduling that could give them greater scheduling flexibility and perhaps a more clear path to get the best two teams to the title game.

If it's about subscribers, the ACC network probably won't be on in Connecticut, but the state of of Connecticut probably doesn't have enough subscribers for the ACC network to care.

This whole thread is based on a guy from another messageboard who talked to an "insider"
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How about uconn, cincy, gtown, nova and St. John's than create two divisions of 10 with 16 team football league. Big east and aac take a hit, big 12 loses expansion picks and acc gives espn basically two prime leagues under the acc banner.

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Atlantic: uva, v tech, unc, duke, nc st, wf, Clem, gt, fsu, Miami

Hoops format: 18-2
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