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AARP is strongly opposed to the American Health Care Act (AHCA)
Proposed Health Care Law Hammers People Over 50

How can a 64-year-old making $26,500 a year afford to have his health care premiums jump from $1,700 to $14,600 a year (a whopping 758 percent increase)? He can’t.

That’s the reason AARP is strongly opposed to the American Health Care Act (AHCA) and why we’re doubling down on efforts to stop it in its tracks.

It’s an outrage that anyone in the U.S. Congress could expect people over age 50 to pay thousands more for health coverage. Even more outrageous? The fact that the very same bill gives big pharmaceutical firms and large insurance companies a massive $200 billion tax break.

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http://www.aarp.org/politics-society/adv...miums.html
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RE: AARP is strongly opposed to the American Health Care Act (AHCA)
I'm not arguing with your basic point but I would point out that AARP isn't an objective source and does not always look out for the best interests of seniors.

AARP makes the majority of its income from selling Medigap policies. Those are the policies that someone on traditional Medicare would use to pay for the 20% that Medicare doesn't cover.

The chief competitor to Medigap is the Medicare Advantage (MA) program, that is now selected by a third of all Medicare recipients. Anyone on Medicare Advantage( moi included ) has no need for Medigap. So when the original Obamacare was set to drastically reduce the MA program (it was the $750 billion Medicare savings that Obamacare projected) there was a deafening silence from AARP. They weren't at all concerned that a third of all seniors could lose their chosen Medicare because it would likely improve AARP's bottom line.

So once again, you should follow the money.
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The AARP basically got on their knees and blew Obama and Obamacare, which caused them to bleed members.
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RE: AARP is strongly opposed to the American Health Care Act (AHCA)
The projected cost in the article are fact. 50 to 64 year olds are out. No coverage. That's $1100 per month for a single person. Many red states go blue next election.
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RE: AARP is strongly opposed to the American Health Care Act (AHCA)
The CBO analysis found that premiums would rise 20 percent to 25 percent for a 64-year-old. That means premiums for a 64-year-old earning $26,500 would increase by $12,900 in 2026, from $1,700 to $14,600. That puts health insurance out of reach for far too many.
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AARP is not an unbiased resource. They have major skin in the game and will suffer huge blows with health insurance reforms. They are looking out for numero uno...their organization.
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(03-18-2017 09:33 AM)mptnstr@44 Wrote:  AARP is not an unbiased resource. They have major skin in the game and will suffer huge blows with health insurance reforms. They are looking out for numero uno...their organization.

I'm not sure I'm seeing anything in the Ryan/Trump proposal that would hurt the AARP very much.
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(03-18-2017 09:27 AM)ODU BLUE Wrote:  The CBO analysis found that premiums would rise 20 percent to 25 percent for a 64-year-old. That means premiums for a 64-year-old earning $26,500 would increase by $12,900 in 2026, from $1,700 to $14,600. That puts health insurance out of reach for far too many.

I have no comment other than to say $1,700 to $14,000 is not a representation of a 20-25% increase. That represents a 700% increase. Unless they are saying a 25% increase per year for the next 9 years. I don't feel like doing that math.
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(03-18-2017 09:38 AM)BatonRougeEscapee Wrote:  
(03-18-2017 09:27 AM)ODU BLUE Wrote:  The CBO analysis found that premiums would rise 20 percent to 25 percent for a 64-year-old. That means premiums for a 64-year-old earning $26,500 would increase by $12,900 in 2026, from $1,700 to $14,600. That puts health insurance out of reach for far too many.

I have no comment other than to say $1,700 to $14,000 is not a representation of a 20-25% increase. That represents a 700% increase. Unless they are saying a 25% increase per year for the next 9 years. I don't feel like doing that math.

I don't have the report in front of me...
only going off of the wording included above...

"The CBO analysis found that premiums would rise 20 percent to 25 percent for a 64-year-old."

Clarity on the timeframe is required... is if 20-25% increase annually?
or total increase of 20-25% over the 9 year period?

Is this part: "That means premiums for a 64-year-old earning $26,500 would increase by $12,900 in 2026, from $1,700 to $14,600." directly out of the CBO report or is that the AARP interpretation?

The AARP math would indicate a 25% increase per year but that isn't what the CBO analysis as included said...it says a 20 to 25% increase. No "per year" included.

If it is a 20-25% increase over 9 years that is <3% per year (basically COL) in increases, increase about $50-60 annually and in 9 years would cost: roughly $2200-2300.

If the AARP is an extrapolation not included in the report...I wonder if they are misinterpreting the report… to scare seniors.
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"The CBO also said the AHCA would cut Medicaid funding by $880 billion, which would jeopardize essential care for 17 million seniors and people with disabilities and shift the cost to states, which could end up hurting their budgets and costing billions to state taxpayers."

In general seniors aren't on Medicaid. They get Medicare at age 65...
unless the AARP is defining a senior as above 50 but below 65.

Is a 50 year old a senior? Not in my world.
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The AARP also tilts left so their agenda with regard to anything done by the Trump administration is suspect.

"Similarly, AARP employees gave 85 percent of their roughly $214,000 in total donations to Democrats, and just 14 percent to Republicans over the last 25 years."

"The AARP lobbied heavily on behalf of congressional approval of Obamacare in 2010 and in 2013 for passage of the Fix Gun Checks Act of 2013."

http://dailycaller.com/2015/08/03/employ...tilt-left/

In short the AARP is hardly an unbiased reviewer of fact.
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(03-18-2017 08:46 AM)ODU BLUE Wrote:  Proposed Health Care Law Hammers People Over 50

How can a 64-year-old making $26,500 a year afford to have his health care premiums jump from $1,700 to $14,600 a year (a whopping 758 percent increase)? He can’t.

That’s the reason AARP is strongly opposed to the American Health Care Act (AHCA) and why we’re doubling down on efforts to stop it in its tracks.

It’s an outrage that anyone in the U.S. Congress could expect people over age 50 to pay thousands more for health coverage. Even more outrageous? The fact that the very same bill gives big pharmaceutical firms and large insurance companies a massive $200 billion tax break.

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http://www.aarp.org/politics-society/adv...miums.html

That's political suicide. Which means that the numbers being used are likely incorrect. If they are using 25% compounded annually---it's interesting. The reason it's interesting is Obama Care premiums are rising at a higher rate than that. Thus, the picture painted by AARP is coming regardless--with or without dumping Obama Care.
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The premiums will go up 25% and then their subsidy drops from $900 per month (ACA) to $300 per month. They will be looking at a 700% plus monthly increase?
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(03-18-2017 08:56 AM)LeFlâneur Wrote:  I'm not arguing with your basic point but I would point out that AARP isn't an objective source and does not always look out for the best interests of seniors.

AARP makes the majority of its income from selling Medigap policies. Those are the policies that someone on traditional Medicare would use to pay for the 20% that Medicare doesn't cover.

The chief competitor to Medigap is the Medicare Advantage (MA) program, that is now selected by a third of all Medicare recipients. Anyone on Medicare Advantage( moi included ) has no need for Medigap. So when the original Obamacare was set to drastically reduce the MA program (it was the $750 billion Medicare savings that Obamacare projected) there was a deafening silence from AARP. They weren't at all concerned that a third of all seniors could lose their chosen Medicare because it would likely improve AARP's bottom line.

So once again, you should follow the money.

AARP is involved with Medicare Advantage, as well. Obamacare cuts to Medicare Advantage wouldn't have caused seniors to lose anything.
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(03-18-2017 10:36 AM)mptnstr@44 Wrote:  "The CBO also said the AHCA would cut Medicaid funding by $880 billion, which would jeopardize essential care for 17 million seniors and people with disabilities and shift the cost to states, which could end up hurting their budgets and costing billions to state taxpayers."

In general seniors aren't on Medicaid. They get Medicare at age 65...
unless the AARP is defining a senior as above 50 but below 65.

Is a 50 year old a senior? Not in my world.

I love how they refer to 50 year olds as seniors, a person who has to put in two more decades of work to qualify for full SS benefits.
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(03-18-2017 02:38 PM)UofMstateU Wrote:  
(03-18-2017 10:36 AM)mptnstr@44 Wrote:  "The CBO also said the AHCA would cut Medicaid funding by $880 billion, which would jeopardize essential care for 17 million seniors and people with disabilities and shift the cost to states, which could end up hurting their budgets and costing billions to state taxpayers."

In general seniors aren't on Medicaid. They get Medicare at age 65...
unless the AARP is defining a senior as above 50 but below 65.

Is a 50 year old a senior? Not in my world.

I love how they refer to 50 year olds as seniors, a person who has to put in two more decades of work to qualify for full SS benefits.

That particular hyperbole from AARP is part of why I call BS on their extrapolation of increases for this imaginary 64 year old making $26,400.

Pure unsupported scare tactics.
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I wish it was a lie, but it's not.
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(03-18-2017 09:38 AM)BatonRougeEscapee Wrote:  
(03-18-2017 09:27 AM)ODU BLUE Wrote:  The CBO analysis found that premiums would rise 20 percent to 25 percent for a 64-year-old. That means premiums for a 64-year-old earning $26,500 would increase by $12,900 in 2026, from $1,700 to $14,600. That puts health insurance out of reach for far too many.

I have no comment other than to say $1,700 to $14,000 is not a representation of a 20-25% increase. That represents a 700% increase. Unless they are saying a 25% increase per year for the next 9 years. I don't feel like doing that math.

Well apparently AARP didn't do the math either.
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It's a pretty straight forward equation. Just like Obamacare, there will be winners and losers. The 64 year old making just enough money not to qualify for Medicaid will be the biggest loser. Their subsidies will be drastically cut, and thus their costs will sky rocket.
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