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(03-23-2017 11:55 AM)82hawk Wrote:  
(03-23-2017 11:46 AM)bricksnivy Wrote:  Lot's of absolute statements from 82.

I hear things....

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I like Siddle a lot, and think he's worthy of a spot on the list and perhaps an interview. But ultimately he should only be the guy if our top options say no. And given that we're a very worthy and attractive destination, I highly doubt we'll be told "no" by all of our top options, whoever they may be.

So ultimately I imagine Siddle will either be Keatts' right hand man at NC State or maybe the HC of a low major type team when the dust settles. I wish him the best no matter where he lands, he's a good dude.
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Every decision is a risk vs. reward decision, that's life. Our new hire is governed by those same factors. If you have a failing program, the risk is minimal since you're already at the bottom, so you can't go much lower. So, as a decision maker, it's easy to rid yourself of a known negative in favor of a potential positive. What have you got to lose? Taking big risks is easy.

In this case, we are replacing a known positive. We're at the top, and that top spot is pretty high. The potential to fall is greater than the potential to keep up the same success. It would have been hard for Keatts to maintain this level of success had he remained. So, making a less risky move in this case is a smart move. Apple took a lot of risks when they started. As the best company in the world, they would be foolish to take huge risks now. Status quo is a status at the top.

Yes, we can improve, even over where we were. But the smart move is to maintain what we have, move in the same direction style wise, keep the players and recruits we have, and improve incrementally from this point. THAT is how you build a program instead of hoping to land the next great coach. Like 33 said, Keatts has recruits and transfers on the way that will fix some of our deficiencies. At this point trying to maintain what we have isn't operating from fear, it's operating logically and intelligently. Or, we can operate like most schools without a long range plan and bet our future on the lottery. I hate to think that VCU can have a vision, create a plan, and execute that plan for long term success, and UNCW is sitting on the edge of obtaining that same long term vision, and we can't remain disciplined enough to do so.
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(03-23-2017 01:32 PM)82hawk Wrote:  I hate to think that VCU can have a vision, create a plan, and execute that plan for long term success, and UNCW is sitting on the edge of obtaining that same long term vision, and we can't remain disciplined enough to do so.

Everyone on this board agrees that the style should be maintained. There hasn't been a single vocal dissenter. Siddle is not the only option; likely not first option.
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FYI 82, Apple is not #1 in the fortune 500 list. Just thought i'd point that out. I'd hate for us to be the innovators, and get passed by everyone else when we become content. :)
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(03-23-2017 12:37 PM)Seahawkhoops Wrote:  
(03-23-2017 12:28 PM)SEA33HAWK Wrote:  I want the best hire with the least casualties. I remember vividly when Brownell left and the casualties we suffered and how long it took us to recover. I just want to keep the train rolling.

I don't think the new guy needs to be told to keep Siddle on staff, but i'm sure ANY coach would look at what's here, and see that it would be a good idea to try to retain him. I don't buy the argument Mullet is making.

I understand your thinking but its not how it usually works in college sports or sports in general. If you hire someone to run a program you let him have the guys he wants to work with. If he interviews the guy and keeps him-great. I don't know much about the guy but he seems to be liked by most people around the program. If he is not the HC why would he stay around is another question? I just don't see it working.
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(03-23-2017 01:50 PM)jumpinmullet Wrote:  
(03-23-2017 12:37 PM)Seahawkhoops Wrote:  
(03-23-2017 12:28 PM)SEA33HAWK Wrote:  I want the best hire with the least casualties. I remember vividly when Brownell left and the casualties we suffered and how long it took us to recover. I just want to keep the train rolling.

I don't think the new guy needs to be told to keep Siddle on staff, but i'm sure ANY coach would look at what's here, and see that it would be a good idea to try to retain him. I don't buy the argument Mullet is making.

If he is not the HC why would he stay around is another question? I just don't see it working.
If he's associate HC and continues to do well it sets him up for the next time, or another job. Unless Keatts wants him bad at State, I'm sure they can pay an assistant more. But Keatts needs to get his staff up and running quickly, and he's already hired one.
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Illinois/Underwood are planning to keep the interim coach there. It makes sense to keep the a guy around for continuity, especially if they are known recruiters. Not sure this applies to Siddle, but it isn't a strange/rare concept.

I'm pretty sure NCSU had an assistant that endured two coaching changes prior to Gottfired's hire. It must be the incoming guys decision though. That much is clear.
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keatts already has his right hand man at State
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(03-23-2017 01:44 PM)Seahawkhoops Wrote:  FYI 82, Apple is not #1 in the fortune 500 list. Just thought i'd point that out. I'd hate for us to be the innovators, and get passed by everyone else when we become content. :)

We're still a small midmajor. Let's not become State fans so quickly. I'll gladly "settle" for NCAA tournament appearances every other year at this point.
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(03-23-2017 01:53 PM)Seahawkhoops Wrote:  If he's associate HC and continues to do well it sets him up for the next time, or another job. Unless Keatts wants him bad at State, I'm sure they can pay an assistant more. But Keatts needs to get his staff up and running quickly, and he's already hired one.

And you have to assume Johnson is the head assistant on Keatts' staff now. Siddle may have a position, but it won't be first chair. I hear things.
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The staff should totally be the HC's call. Don't need to get off on the wrong foot between the coach and the AD. The AD is responsible for bringing in the right coach that can trust to make up his staff.
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(03-23-2017 01:32 PM)82hawk Wrote:  Every decision is a risk vs. reward decision, that's life. Our new hire is governed by those same factors. If you have a failing program, the risk is minimal since you're already at the bottom, so you can't go much lower. So, as a decision maker, it's easy to rid yourself of a known negative in favor of a potential positive. What have you got to lose? Taking big risks is easy.

In this case, we are replacing a known positive. We're at the top, and that top spot is pretty high. The potential to fall is greater than the potential to keep up the same success. It would have been hard for Keatts to maintain this level of success had he remained. So, making a less risky move in this case is a smart move. Apple took a lot of risks when they started. As the best company in the world, they would be foolish to take huge risks now. Status quo is a status at the top.

Yes, we can improve, even over where we were. But the smart move is to maintain what we have, move in the same direction style wise, keep the players and recruits we have, and improve incrementally from this point. THAT is how you build a program instead of hoping to land the next great coach. Like 33 said, Keatts has recruits and transfers on the way that will fix some of our deficiencies. At this point trying to maintain what we have isn't operating from fear, it's operating logically and intelligently. Or, we can operate like most schools without a long range plan and bet our future on the lottery. I hate to think that VCU can have a vision, create a plan, and execute that plan for long term success, and UNCW is sitting on the edge of obtaining that same long term vision, and we can't remain disciplined enough to do so.

So you are suggesting that keeping someone who has never been a head coach at any level is better than trying to do a little leg work and hire a seasoned performer? You say maintain what we have, but we don't want to remain status quo. Sounds like all risk and no reward! Of course I could be wrong, but I doubt it.
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Status quo is a good thing when you're at the top. I can see no reason Siddle would change the style he's been a part of that has succeeded wildly for the past three years.

No, he's never been a HC and that is somewhat of a risk. But he's not showing up here from elsewhere trying to implement HIS system without that experience. If he were hired, he would be a complete and utter fool to change anything he's been a part of for the past three years.

Look, if there is a more experienced coach who ALSO comes from a Louisville/VCU background that continues what we've started, that would be great. I'd support hiring Christian in a heartbeat. Minus that kind of option(Caputo for example), i'd favor Siddle.
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Status quo says we make it to the first round and that's it. As a fan, I want more than the first round. I was hoping Keatts would stick around and turn us into another Gonzaga. Pipe dream I know.
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(03-23-2017 03:41 PM)surfsalot Wrote:  Status quo says we make it to the first round and that's it. As a fan, I want more than the first round. I was hoping Keatts would stick around and turn us into another Gonzaga. Pipe dream I know.


That's the mindset that started our downfall with Brownell. The powers that be weren't satisfied with JUST going to the NCAA tournament, we NEEDED some first round wins or it wasn't good enough for UNCW. These CAA championships, winning OOC records, NCAA tournaments are bringing in some much needed cash. Let's get more than two years of established winning under our belts before we start pining to be the "next Gonzaga"...especially when we are already on the path to be the "next VCU".

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I agree with 82. Increasing the bar is not a good think, but you gradually up for bench from 135 to 225. If not the bar will come crashing down and crush you, see the lost decade of 2006 to 2015
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Do you guys tell your kids to get back on the bike after a crash, or do you tell them not to try again since they failed once? After all, we wouldn't want them to get a boo-boo.
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(03-23-2017 06:52 PM)bricksnivy Wrote:  Do you guys tell your kids to get back on the bike after a crash, or do you tell them not to try again since they failed once? After all, we wouldn't want them to get a boo-boo.


Poor analogy.

Here's a better one. You played the lottery and won 20 million dollars. Do you take all your winnings, buy 20 million in lottery tickets and hope you hit again, or do you put most of it in the bank and only gamble what you can afford to lose? Last time we put it all back in the lottery and lost it all, in hopes we could win again. I'd hope we learned a lesson.
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(03-23-2017 07:07 PM)82hawk Wrote:  
(03-23-2017 06:52 PM)bricksnivy Wrote:  Do you guys tell your kids to get back on the bike after a crash, or do you tell them not to try again since they failed once? After all, we wouldn't want them to get a boo-boo.


Poor analogy.

Here's a better one. You played the lottery and won 20 million dollars. Do you take all your winnings, buy 20 million in lottery tickets and hope you hit again, or do you put most of it in the bank and only gamble what you can afford to lose? Last time we put it all back in the lottery and lost it all, in hopes we could win again. I'd hope we learned a lesson.

I would use a majority of it to pay for advisors that would ensure I never encountered any risk, ever. Play it safe, fellas. Bunt in the first inning. Hire the young assistant because he'll come cheap.

Playing it conservative, out of a fear of failure, isn't my style. It's not like Christian is some unknown coach.

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