(01-19-2018 10:57 AM)Seahawkhoops Wrote:  

(01-19-2018 10:54 AM)bricksnivy Wrote:  

(01-19-2018 10:30 AM)Seahawkhoops Wrote:  

(01-19-2018 10:22 AM)GrayHawk Wrote:  

(01-19-2018 07:51 AM)Seahawkhoops Wrote:  82 i had no hate for State, in fact, i used to root for them over all the other local teams. I'm going to let this go again, i have my thoughts and you have yours. (make it a Bush for your support of bush league moves) hahahaha

Wine seems a bit more appropriate in my opinion.....

only in chapel hill

I think they're still drinking champagne in CH.

Is that how they celebrate home losses to Wofford?

No, national championships.

(01-19-2018 11:00 AM)bricksnivy Wrote:  

(01-19-2018 10:57 AM)Seahawkhoops Wrote:  

(01-19-2018 10:54 AM)bricksnivy Wrote:  

(01-19-2018 10:30 AM)Seahawkhoops Wrote:  

(01-19-2018 10:22 AM)GrayHawk Wrote:  Wine seems a bit more appropriate in my opinion.....

only in chapel hill

I think they're still drinking champagne in CH.

Is that how they celebrate home losses to Wofford?

No, national championships.

long in the past my friend.... Let's not go there again :) We have our own thread for that dance.

(01-19-2018 10:54 AM)bricksnivy Wrote:  

(01-19-2018 10:30 AM)Seahawkhoops Wrote:  

(01-19-2018 10:22 AM)GrayHawk Wrote:  

(01-19-2018 07:51 AM)Seahawkhoops Wrote:  

(01-18-2018 10:19 PM)82hawk Wrote:  You do realize Keatts and Bryce KNEW each other, right? If Keatts left, and Bryce wanted to leave, it would be foolish for Bryce to rule out NCSU and equally foolish for Keatts to rule out Bryce.

Not to mention, Keatts took assistants as well, people Bryce also knew. Has it occurred to you the parents of Bryce knew Keatts and supported the decision as well? I think your hate for State is clouding your judgement.

So. Simple question. Was Brownell "slimy" as well?

82 i had no hate for State, in fact, i used to root for them over all the other local teams. I'm going to let this go again, i have my thoughts and you have yours. (make it a Bush for your support of bush league moves) hahahaha

Wine seems a bit more appropriate in my opinion.....

only in chapel hill

I think they're still drinking champagne in CH.

Compliments of the NCAA?

(01-19-2018 11:13 AM)GrayHawk Wrote:  

(01-19-2018 10:54 AM)bricksnivy Wrote:  

(01-19-2018 10:30 AM)Seahawkhoops Wrote:  

(01-19-2018 10:22 AM)GrayHawk Wrote:  

(01-19-2018 07:51 AM)Seahawkhoops Wrote:  82 i had no hate for State, in fact, i used to root for them over all the other local teams. I'm going to let this go again, i have my thoughts and you have yours. (make it a Bush for your support of bush league moves) hahahaha

Wine seems a bit more appropriate in my opinion.....

only in chapel hill

I think they're still drinking champagne in CH.

Compliments of the NCAA?

I think the NCAA only provides the confetti.

(01-19-2018 12:59 PM)bricksnivy Wrote:  

(01-19-2018 11:13 AM)GrayHawk Wrote:  

(01-19-2018 10:54 AM)bricksnivy Wrote:  

(01-19-2018 10:30 AM)Seahawkhoops Wrote:  

(01-19-2018 10:22 AM)GrayHawk Wrote:  Wine seems a bit more appropriate in my opinion.....

only in chapel hill

I think they're still drinking champagne in CH.

Compliments of the NCAA?

I think the NCAA only provides the confetti.

the shredding of all the evidence they had so the FBI won't see it?

Y'all, Bricks did the right thing earlier this morning and took his UNC smack to the Bird Droppings Forum. Please do the same.

This is a Keatts (as it relates to UNCW) thread. Not a UNC fan/UNC bashing thread.

I don't mind making it personal when it comes to Keatts or any other self serving coach. It is classic in the way the guy moves in and cuts kids as his first move in town and ends his time here by taking a player with him that he feels can further his cause. It has nothing to do with the fact that he knows the family or any other sappy,feel good crap but is just all about the man and his agenda. I also don't care if 82 or anybody else here knows the guy or not. We are all grown ass men here and know right from wrong. He won some games here and left the program in a really bad spot for the next guy. He could not have done a worse job with his departure from a school that gave him so much. Show some gratitude and lead with your actions.

(01-22-2018 08:45 AM)jumpinmullet Wrote:  I don't mind making it personal when it comes to Keatts or any other self serving coach. It is classic in the way the guy moves in and cuts kids as his first move in town and ends his time here by taking a player with him that he feels can further his cause. It has nothing to do with the fact that he knows the family or any other sappy,feel good crap but is just all about the man and his agenda. I also don't care if 82 or anybody else here knows the guy or not. We are all grown ass men here and know right from wrong. He won some games here and left the program in a really bad spot for the next guy. He could not have done a worse job with his departure from a school that gave him so much. Show some gratitude and lead with your actions.

^^^^^ THIS^^^^

(01-22-2018 08:45 AM)jumpinmullet Wrote:  I don't mind making it personal when it comes to Keatts or any other self serving coach. It is classic in the way the guy moves in and cuts kids as his first move in town and ends his time here by taking a player with him that he feels can further his cause. It has nothing to do with the fact that he knows the family or any other sappy,feel good crap but is just all about the man and his agenda. I also don't care if 82 or anybody else here knows the guy or not. We are all grown ass men here and know right from wrong. He won some games here and left the program in a really bad spot for the next guy. He could not have done a worse job with his departure from a school that gave him so much. Show some gratitude and lead with your actions.

Yes, Keatts didn't handle his departure great. As a fan base we're going to have to get over it. Buzz Peterson won "some games", Keatts won a lot of games. Most of them as a matter of fact. With that being said he tripled is annual salary, UNCW couldn't compete with that money. The Bryce situation sucks but as people have said on this board before you can't blame the kid for following his coach to a bigger conference and a chance to further his career. I myself see C.J. being a key contributor for the Wolfpack. You can't blame Keatts for the 5 decommits, which is what hurt us the most. I hope Keatts succeeds at State and I hope there is always a good relationship with him and the school. Reading posts like the one above get old, and are ungrateful for what he did. UNCW was literally one of the worst programs in division 1 hoops when he got here, and he immediately turned that around. I know times are tough right now, but don't tarnish a man's legacy that did so much for our university even if it was in a short amount of time.

(01-22-2018 09:47 AM)Gary Miller Wrote:  

(01-22-2018 08:45 AM)jumpinmullet Wrote:  I don't mind making it personal when it comes to Keatts or any other self serving coach. It is classic in the way the guy moves in and cuts kids as his first move in town and ends his time here by taking a player with him that he feels can further his cause. It has nothing to do with the fact that he knows the family or any other sappy,feel good crap but is just all about the man and his agenda. I also don't care if 82 or anybody else here knows the guy or not. We are all grown ass men here and know right from wrong. He won some games here and left the program in a really bad spot for the next guy. He could not have done a worse job with his departure from a school that gave him so much. Show some gratitude and lead with your actions.

Yes, Keatts didn't handle his departure great. As a fan base we're going to have to get over it. Buzz Peterson won "some games", Keatts won a lot of games. Most of them as a matter of fact. With that being said he tripled is annual salary, UNCW couldn't compete with that money. The Bryce situation sucks but as people have said on this board before you can't blame the kid for following his coach to a bigger conference and a chance to further his career. I myself see C.J. being a key contributor for the Wolfpack. You can't blame Keatts for the 5 decommits, which is what hurt us the most. I hope Keatts succeeds at State and I hope there is always a good relationship with him and the school. Reading posts like the one above get old, and are ungrateful for what he did. UNCW was literally one of the worst programs in division 1 hoops when he got here, and he immediately turned that around. I know times are tough right now, but don't tarnish a man's legacy that did so much for our university even if it was in a short amount of time.

No one is ungrateful for what he accomplished, I've stated many times how much i appreciate what he did. But what he accomplished can be tarnished by how he left it. No, we can't blame CJ for leaving, but we CAN blame Keatts for taking him at State!

(01-22-2018 09:47 AM)Gary Miller Wrote:  

(01-22-2018 08:45 AM)jumpinmullet Wrote:  I don't mind making it personal when it comes to Keatts or any other self serving coach. It is classic in the way the guy moves in and cuts kids as his first move in town and ends his time here by taking a player with him that he feels can further his cause. It has nothing to do with the fact that he knows the family or any other sappy,feel good crap but is just all about the man and his agenda. I also don't care if 82 or anybody else here knows the guy or not. We are all grown ass men here and know right from wrong. He won some games here and left the program in a really bad spot for the next guy. He could not have done a worse job with his departure from a school that gave him so much. Show some gratitude and lead with your actions.

Yes, Keatts didn't handle his departure great. As a fan base we're going to have to get over it. Buzz Peterson won "some games", Keatts won a lot of games. Most of them as a matter of fact. With that being said he tripled is annual salary, UNCW couldn't compete with that money. The Bryce situation sucks but as people have said on this board before you can't blame the kid for following his coach to a bigger conference and a chance to further his career. I myself see C.J. being a key contributor for the Wolfpack. You can't blame Keatts for the 5 decommits, which is what hurt us the most. I hope Keatts succeeds at State and I hope there is always a good relationship with him and the school. Reading posts like the one above get old, and are ungrateful for what he did. UNCW was literally one of the worst programs in division 1 hoops when he got here, and he immediately turned that around. I know times are tough right now, but don't tarnish a man's legacy that did so much for our university even if it was in a short amount of time.

You could also argue that Keatts inherited more talent than he left and I don't think anyone could say otherwise. He won games and got the program back on track but he did not leave it in good shape talent wise. He sold out on transfers to some extent,built a class heavy team and left. I like NCSU and I hope they win but I have no love for guys that are cutthroat me,me,me types. I know the guy is a smooth talker/charmer type dude that people like and in the coaching world it is all about selling all the time. It is ok to expect more from men that coach our kids, I sure do.

(01-22-2018 11:46 AM)jumpinmullet Wrote:  

(01-22-2018 09:47 AM)Gary Miller Wrote:  

(01-22-2018 08:45 AM)jumpinmullet Wrote:  I don't mind making it personal when it comes to Keatts or any other self serving coach. It is classic in the way the guy moves in and cuts kids as his first move in town and ends his time here by taking a player with him that he feels can further his cause. It has nothing to do with the fact that he knows the family or any other sappy,feel good crap but is just all about the man and his agenda. I also don't care if 82 or anybody else here knows the guy or not. We are all grown ass men here and know right from wrong. He won some games here and left the program in a really bad spot for the next guy. He could not have done a worse job with his departure from a school that gave him so much. Show some gratitude and lead with your actions.

Yes, Keatts didn't handle his departure great. As a fan base we're going to have to get over it. Buzz Peterson won "some games", Keatts won a lot of games. Most of them as a matter of fact. With that being said he tripled is annual salary, UNCW couldn't compete with that money. The Bryce situation sucks but as people have said on this board before you can't blame the kid for following his coach to a bigger conference and a chance to further his career. I myself see C.J. being a key contributor for the Wolfpack. You can't blame Keatts for the 5 decommits, which is what hurt us the most. I hope Keatts succeeds at State and I hope there is always a good relationship with him and the school. Reading posts like the one above get old, and are ungrateful for what he did. UNCW was literally one of the worst programs in division 1 hoops when he got here, and he immediately turned that around. I know times are tough right now, but don't tarnish a man's legacy that did so much for our university even if it was in a short amount of time.

You could also argue that Keatts inherited more talent than he left and I don't think anyone could say otherwise. He won games and got the program back on track but he did not leave it in good shape talent wise. He sold out on transfers to some extent,built a class heavy team and left. I like NCSU and I hope they win but I have no love for guys that are cutthroat me,me,me types. I know the guy is a smooth talker/charmer type dude that people like and in the coaching world it is all about selling all the time. It is ok to expect more from men that coach our kids, I sure do.

C.B. has done a great job of weathering the storm and we have the talent to play with anybody in the conference. A great foundation is being laid. Obviously, we'd have a higher chance of bringing home another CAA Title if Bryce stayed but I like the talent we have. Fornes, Ty Taylor, Cacok were all of Keatts' guys and will contribute greatly to the program over the next few years. There is still a buzz around the program from back to back NCAA Tourney trips, you can feel it at every home game at Trask. That wasn't there for several years until Keatts' arrival. Ultimately he left the program better than he found it. I don't think there is an argument against that. I just don't understand how his exit will tarnish all of that.

Personally, I'm appreciative of what Keatts did for the program. We were in rough shape when he arrived. Unfortunately, he just didn't stay long enough to really put his stamp on the program. He saved us from drowning, so I'll forever be grateful for that, but he didn't do enough to supplant Wainwright or Brownell as a "favorite". None of that is speaking to his character. Part of me wants to see him succeed, but I don't care as much about his success as I do Brownell.

(01-22-2018 12:29 PM)bricksnivy Wrote:  Personally, I'm appreciative of what Keatts did for the program. We were in rough shape when he arrived. Unfortunately, he just didn't stay long enough to really put his stamp on the program. He saved us from drowning, so I'll forever be grateful for that, but he didn't do enough to supplant Wainwright or Brownell as a "favorite". None of that is speaking to his character. Part of me wants to see him succeed, but I don't care as much about his success as I do Brownell.

BB might be a bit more personal to you. Weren't you in school when he was there? I do agree with you though.

This thread has drug on for far too long. This deceased equine continues to be flogged repeatedly. It is time to cease and move on. As far as Kevin leaving - he left for a boatload of money. No one in their right mind could blame a man with a young family for that. As for CJ AND the recruits that left - it is like this - at the D1 level very, very few young athletes go to a school because of the school. It is often because of the relationship they have with the coaches (i.e., recruiters). If the coach leaves and the relationship with the folks that recruited them is strong, the player often looks to continue the relationship (i.e., they transfer). Case closed.
Please let this overused thread die as it richly deserves.

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(01-22-2018 12:35 PM)Seahawkhoops Wrote:  

(01-22-2018 12:29 PM)bricksnivy Wrote:  Personally, I'm appreciative of what Keatts did for the program. We were in rough shape when he arrived. Unfortunately, he just didn't stay long enough to really put his stamp on the program. He saved us from drowning, so I'll forever be grateful for that, but he didn't do enough to supplant Wainwright or Brownell as a "favorite". None of that is speaking to his character. Part of me wants to see him succeed, but I don't care as much about his success as I do Brownell.

BB might be a bit more personal to you. Weren't you in school when he was there? I do agree with you though.

I had Jerry for 3 years and the final year was with Brad...I got to meet Brownell a few times through the SID office, and through Larry Honeycutt's coaching class.

I was sitting in Hawk's Nest when a reporter approached and asked what me and a friend thought about Wainwright leaving...we had no idea. I think he had turned down DePaul (or he had at least flirted with them). Couldn't believe that he left for Richmond.

(01-22-2018 12:54 PM)bricksnivy Wrote:  

(01-22-2018 12:35 PM)Seahawkhoops Wrote:  

(01-22-2018 12:29 PM)bricksnivy Wrote:  Personally, I'm appreciative of what Keatts did for the program. We were in rough shape when he arrived. Unfortunately, he just didn't stay long enough to really put his stamp on the program. He saved us from drowning, so I'll forever be grateful for that, but he didn't do enough to supplant Wainwright or Brownell as a "favorite". None of that is speaking to his character. Part of me wants to see him succeed, but I don't care as much about his success as I do Brownell.

BB might be a bit more personal to you. Weren't you in school when he was there? I do agree with you though.

I had Jerry for 3 years and the final year was with Brad...I got to meet Brownell a few times through the SID office, and through Larry Honeycutt's coaching class.

I was sitting in Hawk's Nest when a reporter approached and asked what me and a friend thought about Wainwright leaving...we had no idea. I think he had turned down DePaul (or he had at least flirted with them). Couldn't believe that he left for Richmond.

He left for Richmond b/c the old AD left for Richmond.

Shows the importance of a good Coach AD relationship.

We lost Brownell because of the poisonous Coach AD relationship.

(01-22-2018 12:54 PM)bricksnivy Wrote:  

(01-22-2018 12:35 PM)Seahawkhoops Wrote:  

(01-22-2018 12:29 PM)bricksnivy Wrote:  Personally, I'm appreciative of what Keatts did for the program. We were in rough shape when he arrived. Unfortunately, he just didn't stay long enough to really put his stamp on the program. He saved us from drowning, so I'll forever be grateful for that, but he didn't do enough to supplant Wainwright or Brownell as a "favorite". None of that is speaking to his character. Part of me wants to see him succeed, but I don't care as much about his success as I do Brownell.

BB might be a bit more personal to you. Weren't you in school when he was there? I do agree with you though.

I had Jerry for 3 years and the final year was with Brad...I got to meet Brownell a few times through the SID office, and through Larry Honeycutt's coaching class.

I was sitting in Hawk's Nest when a reporter approached and asked what me and a friend thought about Wainwright leaving...we had no idea. I think he had turned down DePaul (or he had at least flirted with them). Couldn't believe that he left for Richmond.

i moved to ILM in 2000, so pretty much the same time frame. Like you many years later, i still care what BB does.

(01-22-2018 01:54 PM)Seahawkhoops Wrote:  

(01-22-2018 12:54 PM)bricksnivy Wrote:  

(01-22-2018 12:35 PM)Seahawkhoops Wrote:  

(01-22-2018 12:29 PM)bricksnivy Wrote:  Personally, I'm appreciative of what Keatts did for the program. We were in rough shape when he arrived. Unfortunately, he just didn't stay long enough to really put his stamp on the program. He saved us from drowning, so I'll forever be grateful for that, but he didn't do enough to supplant Wainwright or Brownell as a "favorite". None of that is speaking to his character. Part of me wants to see him succeed, but I don't care as much about his success as I do Brownell.

BB might be a bit more personal to you. Weren't you in school when he was there? I do agree with you though.

I had Jerry for 3 years and the final year was with Brad...I got to meet Brownell a few times through the SID office, and through Larry Honeycutt's coaching class.

I was sitting in Hawk's Nest when a reporter approached and asked what me and a friend thought about Wainwright leaving...we had no idea. I think he had turned down DePaul (or he had at least flirted with them). Couldn't believe that he left for Richmond.

i moved to ILM in 2000, so pretty much the same time frame. Like you many years later, i still care what BB does.

Back then, you didn't even have to have a ticket to get into the game. All you had to do was show your UNSea card and they'd let you in. I know that hosting Princeton in '98 was a big deal, but the program changed dramatically with another BB in 1999.

(01-22-2018 02:29 PM)bricksnivy Wrote:  

(01-22-2018 01:54 PM)Seahawkhoops Wrote:  

(01-22-2018 12:54 PM)bricksnivy Wrote:  

(01-22-2018 12:35 PM)Seahawkhoops Wrote:  

(01-22-2018 12:29 PM)bricksnivy Wrote:  Personally, I'm appreciative of what Keatts did for the program. We were in rough shape when he arrived. Unfortunately, he just didn't stay long enough to really put his stamp on the program. He saved us from drowning, so I'll forever be grateful for that, but he didn't do enough to supplant Wainwright or Brownell as a "favorite". None of that is speaking to his character. Part of me wants to see him succeed, but I don't care as much about his success as I do Brownell.

BB might be a bit more personal to you. Weren't you in school when he was there? I do agree with you though.

I had Jerry for 3 years and the final year was with Brad...I got to meet Brownell a few times through the SID office, and through Larry Honeycutt's coaching class.

I was sitting in Hawk's Nest when a reporter approached and asked what me and a friend thought about Wainwright leaving...we had no idea. I think he had turned down DePaul (or he had at least flirted with them). Couldn't believe that he left for Richmond.

i moved to ILM in 2000, so pretty much the same time frame. Like you many years later, i still care what BB does.

Back then, you didn't even have to have a ticket to get into the game. All you had to do was show your UNSea card and they'd let you in. I know that hosting Princeton in '98 was a big deal, but the program changed dramatically with another BB in 1999.

I had season tickets the first few years upstairs and sat behind the Cheerleaders downstairs every game. Was much easier to get around then