Why is the Duke game a better indication of his coaching abilities than losing to Notre Dame by 30 (without their two best players)?

(01-07-2018 08:31 AM)bricksnivy Wrote:  Why is the Duke game a better indication of his coaching abilities than losing to Notre Dame by 30 (without their two best players)?

Have to agree with Bricks here. Let’s remember State historically plays well against Duke at PNC, they beat them there last year too. They got throttled two nights ago by an undermanned ND team.

You have to agree with Bricks here based on trend analysis. You can’t pull one point of data and call that your conclusion.


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(01-06-2018 01:29 PM)Seahawk2010 Wrote:  Looking forward to Duke trouncing State tonight! I hope they run up the score.

Cool post bro...

(01-07-2018 11:14 PM)GrayHawk Wrote:  

(01-06-2018 01:29 PM)Seahawk2010 Wrote:  Looking forward to Duke trouncing State tonight! I hope they run up the score.

Cool post bro...

Thanks Bro...

Keatts finally gets his first ACC win, about 10 months too late.

(01-07-2018 08:31 AM)bricksnivy Wrote:  Why is the Duke game a better indication of his coaching abilities than losing to Notre Dame by 30 (without their two best players)?

I think one thing that has been overlooked for this State team the past month or so is the fact that starting PG Markell Johnson has not played since it was announced he was suspended prior to the UNCG game. In the six games since then, you could truly see the growing pains that comes with playing two true freshman guards who are main ball-handlers for 20-35 minutes in your backcourt rotation and are still learning the game at this level. Johnson is both State's best passer and best overall defender, and without much depth to begin with it was going to take time for this team's chemistry to gel together without him. That Duke game Saturday night was one of the first times this lineup has truly played unselfish offensively and always looked for that extra pass, and you can tell Keatts stressed that leading up to Saturday night. Another thing that was apparent was that Keatts got those young guys to believe they could win and beat a team that was playing five future NBA draft picks, and they did it despite Bagley having 31 and 10.

(01-08-2018 12:21 PM)BigPack1517 Wrote:  

(01-07-2018 08:31 AM)bricksnivy Wrote:  Why is the Duke game a better indication of his coaching abilities than losing to Notre Dame by 30 (without their two best players)?

I think one thing that has been overlooked for this State team the past month or so is the fact that starting PG Markell Johnson has not played since it was announced he was suspended prior to the UNCG game. In the six games since then, you could truly see the growing pains that comes with playing two true freshman guards who are main ball-handlers for 20-35 minutes in your backcourt rotation and are still learning the game at this level. Johnson is both State's best passer and best overall defender, and without much depth to begin with it was going to take time for this team's chemistry to gel together without him. That Duke game Saturday night was one of the first times this lineup has truly played unselfish offensively and always looked for that extra pass, and you can tell Keatts stressed that leading up to Saturday night. Another thing that was apparent was that Keatts got those young guys to believe they could win and beat a team that was playing five future NBA draft picks, and they did it despite Bagley having 31 and 10.

State had more time to prepare for life without Markell than Notre Dame did to prepare for a game without Bonzie Colson and Matt Farrell...and they got beat by 30. Without going into detail, I'm using Keatts to make a point about our own situation with a first year head coach. I don't care for State at all, but I think you have a good person and a good coach at the helm. I think I'll leave it at that...

(01-05-2018 09:50 PM)Seahawkhoops Wrote:  

(01-05-2018 09:28 PM)CG_Hawk06 Wrote:  

(01-05-2018 08:44 PM)herdfifteen Wrote:  

(01-05-2018 08:10 PM)CG_Hawk06 Wrote:  

(01-05-2018 07:57 PM)herdfifteen Wrote:  You can't play at that level if you don't play defense, I have seen no evidence Keatts has the patience for it. I realize he presently doesn't have the talent to competent but in reading the State board his 'pressing ' style has not changed. Unlike UNCW he will not have superior talent at State.

Just to clarify, are you saying he was able to attract top mid-major talent to UNCW (and we could out-athlete our conference foes), but won't be able to do the same at State due to programs like UNC, Duke, etc?

Yes

Okay. I don't think we attracted talent beyond the capability of any other CAA team. Not similar in relation to how UNC and Duke bring in talent far superior to the rest of the ACC. Let's face it, Keatts got lucky concerning Flemmings. That one fell into his lap. Outside of that, I think Keatts just executed better at UNCW than he has thus far at State. A lot of that does amount to talent level, but part of that is because of the guys he has to play right now. He's playing with a team that wasn't built for his "system".

He immediately won at Uncw with a team that wasn’t built for his system... so there’s that

Keatts had pretty good talent here in his first year and they were a veteran club. His real strength is recruiting IMO and if he is able to recruit top talent at NCSU they will win . I don't see him as any type of x and o wizard,talent development guy but a system coach who can win with the right type of player. The Duke win was no surprise to me and simply because they don't guard the iso or 2 man game at all. Duke either has to play one big or play all zone.

(01-08-2018 01:07 PM)bricksnivy Wrote:  

(01-08-2018 12:21 PM)BigPack1517 Wrote:  

(01-07-2018 08:31 AM)bricksnivy Wrote:  Why is the Duke game a better indication of his coaching abilities than losing to Notre Dame by 30 (without their two best players)?

I think one thing that has been overlooked for this State team the past month or so is the fact that starting PG Markell Johnson has not played since it was announced he was suspended prior to the UNCG game. In the six games since then, you could truly see the growing pains that comes with playing two true freshman guards who are main ball-handlers for 20-35 minutes in your backcourt rotation and are still learning the game at this level. Johnson is both State's best passer and best overall defender, and without much depth to begin with it was going to take time for this team's chemistry to gel together without him. That Duke game Saturday night was one of the first times this lineup has truly played unselfish offensively and always looked for that extra pass, and you can tell Keatts stressed that leading up to Saturday night. Another thing that was apparent was that Keatts got those young guys to believe they could win and beat a team that was playing five future NBA draft picks, and they did it despite Bagley having 31 and 10.

State had more time to prepare for life without Markell than Notre Dame did to prepare for a game without Bonzie Colson and Matt Farrell...and they got beat by 30. Without going into detail, I'm using Keatts to make a point about our own situation with a first year head coach. I don't care for State at all, but I think you have a good person and a good coach at the helm. I think I'll leave it at that...

I completely agree, and it was more of to show the effect of what was already a patchwork roster for a first-year coach to lose one of its main pieces (as I know UNCW is in the same boat with their first year head coach with a new roster).

While losing Colson and Farrell for the second half of our game was certainly a gargantuan blow to Notre Dame (and to their season), Mike Brey is still a fantastic coach who has a lot of depth, particularly when you have underlooked guys like TJ Gibbs and Rex Pflueger who don't get the shine on a typical game day but are still both great players with huge roles on that team.

Good luck to y'all the rest of the season.

(01-08-2018 03:11 PM)BigPack1517 Wrote:  

(01-08-2018 01:07 PM)bricksnivy Wrote:  

(01-08-2018 12:21 PM)BigPack1517 Wrote:  

(01-07-2018 08:31 AM)bricksnivy Wrote:  Why is the Duke game a better indication of his coaching abilities than losing to Notre Dame by 30 (without their two best players)?

I think one thing that has been overlooked for this State team the past month or so is the fact that starting PG Markell Johnson has not played since it was announced he was suspended prior to the UNCG game. In the six games since then, you could truly see the growing pains that comes with playing two true freshman guards who are main ball-handlers for 20-35 minutes in your backcourt rotation and are still learning the game at this level. Johnson is both State's best passer and best overall defender, and without much depth to begin with it was going to take time for this team's chemistry to gel together without him. That Duke game Saturday night was one of the first times this lineup has truly played unselfish offensively and always looked for that extra pass, and you can tell Keatts stressed that leading up to Saturday night. Another thing that was apparent was that Keatts got those young guys to believe they could win and beat a team that was playing five future NBA draft picks, and they did it despite Bagley having 31 and 10.

State had more time to prepare for life without Markell than Notre Dame did to prepare for a game without Bonzie Colson and Matt Farrell...and they got beat by 30. Without going into detail, I'm using Keatts to make a point about our own situation with a first year head coach. I don't care for State at all, but I think you have a good person and a good coach at the helm. I think I'll leave it at that...

I completely agree, and it was more of to show the effect of what was already a patchwork roster for a first-year to coach lost one of its main pieces (as I know UNCW is in the same boat with their first year head coach with a new roster).

While losing Colson and Farrell for the second half of our game was certainly a gargantuan blow to Notre Dame (and to their season), Mike Brey is still a fantastic coach who has a lot of depth, particularly when you have underlooked guys like TJ Gibbs and Rex Pflueger who don't get the shine on a typical game day but are still both great players with huge roles on that team.

Good luck to y'all the rest of the season.

Thanks for stopping by. There's always room here for those that want to discuss basketball.

Good points Big Pack. Nice job.

Looks like Keatts just added another nice piece to the NC State puzzle by landing 6'3" former 4 star Word of God guard Blake Harris, a transfer from Missouri.

(01-10-2018 12:27 PM)GrayHawk Wrote:  Looks like Keatts just added another nice piece to the NC State puzzle by landing 6'3" former 4 star Word of God guard Blake Harris, a transfer from Missouri.

Jeez, another good get. Since he'll be eligible to play January 2019, midway thru the 18-19 season, I guess he essentially has 3.5 years of eligibility left.

Shaun Kirk, a Whiteville native that Keatts almost got to UNCW before UK and NCSU got in the mix late decided to transfer to UNC-Pembroke today... He hasn't got much of a chance while in Raleigh but is a 6'8 Wing that is very athletic. Surprised UNCW wasn't an option. I guess not having to sit out a year going down from D1-D2 was what he was looking for.

(01-10-2018 02:47 PM)Gary Miller Wrote:  Shaun Kirk, a Whiteville native that Keatts almost got to UNCW before UK and NCSU got in the mix late decided to transfer to UNC-Pembroke today... He hasn't got much of a chance while in Raleigh but is a 6'8 Wing that is very athletic. Surprised UNCW wasn't an option. I guess not having to sit out a year going down from D1-D2 was what he was looking for.

His younger brother is playing at UNCP this season,that is the deal. Could help a UNCW for sure but was sold on NCSU by 2 coaches and never played. Kinda sad that he wasted his time there.

(01-11-2018 12:56 PM)jumpinmullet Wrote:  

(01-10-2018 02:47 PM)Gary Miller Wrote:  Shaun Kirk, a Whiteville native that Keatts almost got to UNCW before UK and NCSU got in the mix late decided to transfer to UNC-Pembroke today... He hasn't got much of a chance while in Raleigh but is a 6'8 Wing that is very athletic. Surprised UNCW wasn't an option. I guess not having to sit out a year going down from D1-D2 was what he was looking for.

His younger brother is playing at UNCP this season,that is the deal. Could help a UNCW for sure but was sold on NCSU by 2 coaches and never played. Kinda sad that he wasted his time there.

Kinda surprising Keatts wouldn't be utilizing an athletic 6'8" wing more often.

Keatts will have four point guards next year. He has said he likes to have two on the floor all the time.

ESPN highlighting Brownell and Keatts as past UNCW coaches. Nice little feature on them both.

Keatts might just get his first win against Brownell tonight after losses with UNCW and State. Yertseven is playing out of his mind.

Keatts can flat out coach....