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Biggest Threat to UAB football and basketball is occuring
No not Ray Watts at this time But the federal budget cutback in research. UAB athletic operating budget of rounded 30 million is funded roughly 10 million in revenues, 5 million from students and 15 million from presidents discretionary fund(PDF). The PDF primary source of revenue is indirect cost recovery - roughly 45 cents for each dollar of federal grant for overhead. For example, Harvard with a 65,000 a year janitor they lose money but 10 a hour UAB janitors we make money. PDF also funds a lot of the Campus building

According to the article the proposed budget could cut $ 65 million from UAB research dollars. A few years ago would translate to about 15 million drop in PDF. (after real expenses)

http://www.al.com/news/birmingham/index....river_home

The good news is that a proposed budget is not yet passed. We also have time because grants usually last for years. The bad news is the cap on spending will at a minimum survive Ray Watts. But if we do not increase revenues in football and Basketball we can expect cut backs.

This could end the dreams of an OCS, 45new basketball facilities or even the budget necessary for a better league. I predicted the SOM pressure on the budget that led to unexpected Ray Watts debacle but in the long run this may be worse because it is based on reality
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i think you are taking the budget to the extreme. We all know if we want anything in athletics it will have to come from private money anyway. .
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We are paying for facilities out of our own pockets. Agree with 4th down.
Supposed budget cuts have nothing to do with how much we donate to run football bowling rifle and fund new facilities. They said you want it you pay for it and we are.
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AB and 4th down - you are right of course - no new support could be expected from the current reign for capital budget/facilities that why I mentioned operating budget. However the reason I mentioned the new league and the OCS both are dependent on increased operating revenues that may in the future needed to maintain or prevent decreases to our current budget. Basketball I am aware of no fundraising current or even planned but they should have not been included

Perhaps I should have kept to the harder to envision examples of increases for coaches salaries or to say hire a basketball coach or reward Bill Clark or recruiting budgets.

In the near term future even go to Athletics for cuts. Remember we currently have a much higher budget than most of CUSA. The SOM IMHO will not be happy with additional budget cuts without "the athletic budget increases being rolled back like the rest of UAB" (from powerful research doc)
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The whole state government in Alabama operates on the substantial $3 back from Uncle Sam for each $1 paid to him. If these dollars are cut, the unforeseen consequences could be great unanticipated cuts throughout all levels of the Alabama public school system and show up in many areas.

Just last month, this state's infrastructure requests were zeroed out of the federal budget for road building and maintenance. Is this a message to our state power brokers? The recently announced new budget cuts medical research funding and other educational investment spending.

Can we realistically expect that Washington's new and Alabama's continued (down $500 million from the SETF since 2007) cut backs won't have any effect on how state universities spend their scarce funding? Our UAB athletic programs do not operate in an untouchable sphere within the university. If financial pain from federal and state cuts is felt by an important part of the whole, can we expect the administration to ignore it in our favor?
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We are funding the operating budget for football bowling and rifle as well. They can't take away what they are not giving. Our threat is Jr Finis and Espy. Most of us know why we were shut down.
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(03-17-2017 12:03 PM)uabbean Wrote:  In the near term future even go to Athletics for cuts. Remember we currently have a much higher budget than most of CUSA. The SOM IMHO will not be happy with additional budget cuts without "the athletic budget increases being rolled back like the rest of UAB" (from powerful research doc)

It's pretty much impossible to overstate the disdain of some powerful research docs for athletics and jealousy over every dollar (even the donated ones). Not all - it was the SOM that moved the Motion of No Confidence against Ray L. Watts and SOM senators heroically defied back-door pressure. But again: even the donated dollars are the object of jealousy.

Our Rep, Gary Palmer, actually sits on BOTH the Budget and Science, Space and Technology committees. He does not strike me as one very aware of much outside movement ideology. We would probably do well to prepare an informational campaign to make sure he understands what is at stake here for his district and his continued employment in that great DC gig. This is a pressure point we can affect.

Our state-level reps of all parties (except that one chick with the grudge for getting fired) stood up for Birmingham and UAB: Jabo and Roger Smitherman were heroic. Palmer must do the same. Big Luther is not our friend. Shelby appears to have entered later-stage dementia. Palmer is going to have to be our instrument.
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(03-17-2017 12:43 PM)ATTALLABLAZE Wrote:  We are funding the operating budget for football bowling and rifle as well. They can't take away what they are not giving. Our threat is Jr Finis and Espy. Most of us know why we were shut down.

In the Bean scenario, we would be forced to roughly double that budget load to cover a huge portion of the departmental overhead on top of football, bowling and rifle.

He is absolutely correct that this is an enormous danger.
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& who is to say that UAB doesn't need to clean up some crap outside of athletics as a university anyway?

Whatever happened to the looking at all departments for efficiency deal by Watts?

Isn't it funny how the Campaign For UAB now includes UAB Athletics stuff in it?

Wonder why?

Because they were losing their asses when they made the previous decisions.

No, you don't have to worry about them cutting athletics anytime soon.

You still have to worry though about idiots like Mark.
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(03-17-2017 01:07 PM)the_blazerman Wrote:  Whatever happened to the looking at all departments for efficiency deal by Watts?

Well, he did take care of the Clean Air Initiative just like Drummond wanted.

Kind of hard to look for efficiency when you have so many enemies who need to be rooted out. Priorities!
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Like others have said the current contribution from the university is capped and will not increase. It's important to remember that football hasn't generated ANY revenue for more than 2 years now. Those of us that are paying the freight for football operations currently made 5 year commitments so there will be significant overlap between those commitments and football generating significant revenue. I feel safe in saying that the next 2 academic years will be by far the biggest revenue years football has ever seen.

The take home for the east end of campus from the last 2+ years is that when you bite a porcupine you get a mouthful of quills. The Campaign for UAB actually started contracting as people cancelled their gifts. They can either be the beneficiary of all the good will that football has generated (not to mention cash) or they can be seen as the ones trying to undercut it. If I'm a researcher I'm doing everything I can to make sure the west side is successful because it just makes good business sense.
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uabbean, you say no new support can be expected... well they already made that a law. University funding will not increase beyond the current level. All the facilities that were promised to the athletic programs should be covered within the current level of giving, according to the "Carr Report" since FB&R was brought back at the expense of donors. Also does your $30M take into account the new giving through for FB&R?
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(03-17-2017 12:43 PM)ATTALLABLAZE Wrote:  We are funding the operating budget for football bowling and rifle as well. They can't take away what they are not giving.
totally true but totally irreverent. If the whole athletic budget including administration and overhead and womens sports is cut-almost all ADs (even incompetent ones) would more than likely cut the largest department as well. Plus most of us are still more than football fans.


(03-17-2017 12:43 PM)ATTALLABLAZE Wrote:  Our threat is Jr Finis and Espy. Most of us know why we were shut down.
I agree do not trust them. But you can have more than one threat. UAB athletics can no longer be expected to be exempt from real world finances (since Carol left)
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(03-17-2017 02:34 PM)biglizard Wrote:  Like others have said the current contribution from the university is capped and will not increase. . . . I feel safe in saying that the next 2 academic years will be by far the biggest revenue years football has ever seen.

Correct. What I believe concerns the Bean is this scenario: "Football has brought in an additional $4 million? Excellent, we can reduce the presidential subsidy by $4 million." Or more. The subsidy is capped, but Bean appears to fear it being reduced to a level below the cap.

That federal budget proposal is unlikely to survive in its current form, but the desire for deep cuts in research funding is now on the table. We should be prepared to counter it, via pressure on Palmer. If a real budget proposal (a full one, not an outline like this one) comes out with deep NIH cuts, we need to be ready to make our displeasure known and see that if it can't be reversed, it targets someone else. We have a Rep of the ruling party who's on the right committees and we need to cash that chip in when the time comes.

Second, Ray Watts will be gone relatively soon, to take his retirement parachute back to Park Slope where he can garden and Ravi can bake cookies for him. We will want to be sure that the next president is well aware of the vital role athletics played in restoring the crashing Campaign for UAB.

We have won great victories. But our work is not complete. The Bean's warning shouldn't be laughed off.
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Like others have said the current contribution from the university is capped and will not increase. . . . I feel safe in saying that the next 2 academic years will be by far the biggest revenue years football has ever seen.

Correct. What I believe concerns the Bean is this scenario: "Football has brought in an additional $4 million? Excellent, we can reduce the presidential subsidy by $4 million." Or more. The subsidy is capped, but Bean appears to fear it being reduced to a level below the cap.


While I understand the argument there "rubber meets the road" issues such as Title IX that would make any cuts very difficult. Heck if football brings in 30 mil a year I'll carry any returned subsidy down University Blvd back down to Ray's office in pennies myself. I don't see that happening anytime soon.
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(03-17-2017 03:09 PM)58-56 Wrote:  
(03-17-2017 02:34 PM)biglizard Wrote:  Like others have said the current contribution from the university is capped and will not increase. . . . I feel safe in saying that the next 2 academic years will be by far the biggest revenue years football has ever seen.

Correct. What I believe concerns the Bean is this scenario: "Football has brought in an additional $4 million? Excellent, we can reduce the presidential subsidy by $4 million." Or more. The subsidy is capped, but Bean appears to fear it being reduced to a level below the cap.

That federal budget proposal is unlikely to survive in its current form, but the desire for deep cuts in research funding is now on the table. We should be prepared to counter it, via pressure on Palmer. If a real budget proposal (a full one, not an outline like this one) comes out with deep NIH cuts, we need to be ready to make our displeasure known and see that if it can't be reversed, it targets someone else. We have a Rep of the ruling party who's on the right committees and we need to cash that chip in when the time comes.

Second, Ray Watts will be gone relatively soon, to take his retirement parachute back to Park Slope where he can garden and Ravi can bake cookies for him. We will want to be sure that the next president is well aware of the vital role athletics played in restoring the crashing Campaign for UAB.

We have won great victories. But our work is not complete. The Bean's warning shouldn't be laughed off.

The fight over who suffers most or least from the budget cuts now being brought up may illustrate Alabama's census problems coming in 2020. Palmer may be a good Representative, but it may be that his district is the one sacrificed to cut from 7 to 6 if census projections hold up. Since no Republican likely wants to add large numbers of District 7 Democrats to his/her district, one of their own must be sacrificed. Add to that the growth of other states in Congress and you may see Alabama being cut the most.

The reduction from 9 to 8 took Rep. Boykin of Mobile out and Brookley AFB was soon closed. After we dropped from 8 to 7, Fort McClellan was closed. That is the way politics in America works for states that lose representatives in Congress. Money to curry favor goes to other states - and their universities. There are schools in TX, GA, N & S CAR, FL and such "licking their chops" over having more federal money come their way as their representation grows at the expense of "rust belt" states and Alabama, the ONLY Sunbelt state projected to lose in Congress.
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(03-17-2017 04:32 PM)BAMANBLAZERFAN Wrote:  Palmer may be a good Representative

Probably not, but he's the instrument of influence that we have (to be fair, this district has not had an effective Rep in many decades).

UAB needs federal research funding. By extension, healthy grant income helps athletics by securing the subsidy (chiefly in terms of internal politics). We therefore want to see healthy grant income. If Palmer needs encouragement to fight for it, then we encourage - federal agencies know how to play the game, and they know an unhappy Rep in the right committee is a bad thing to have out there.

The proposed budget will change radically, and likely the research cuts will be greatly lessened. If they're not, we have a pressure point to squeeze: if a couple dozen lefties led by a househusband who married a hotel heiress can make him pee in his pants, what #FreeUAB can deliver will be a massive 03-nutkick

Gerrymandering is irrelevant. If UAB is in someone else's district in 2022, then we'll pressure that person.

To secure our gains, we need to make the politicians who supposedly represent us see Green before red, blue, crimson or orange. The Green Revolution has only begun.
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This is just the first stage of proposed cuts. They really have the knives out for science and research.
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The Trump Administration has made an increase in military spending its main priority. These increases will be at the expense of "liberal agenda" programs like the NIH, EPA, Agriculture (which administers the Federal School Lunch programs), etc. The "Guns vs Butter" debate will probably turn on a call for PATRIOTISM in the form of acquiescence to military "needs".

America can have whatever size military it wants to pay for, but whose federal "ox is going to be gored" to make the money available? The administration says it wants larger military spending while reducing taxes on Americans and their businesses.

Remember you don't just get a soldier for 5 or 6 years (enlistment), you get him/her for life as a (entitled) veteran along with their families and full retirement after only 20 years of service. For many low income families, it is almost the only job offering full family medical coverage for life for a person with only a high school diploma. About one in seven ever gets placed in a combat situation.

UAB is at greater risk because Alabama is barely able to pay for anything it wants without depending on federal money or incurring billion $$ bond debt (see prisons).

As to which Congressional district UAB is in, where is the line between Terri Sewell's 7th and Palmer's 6th? Her district runs west to east through B'ham to the Kingston area at the airport. Of course, BOTH have good reasons to be favorable to UAB's welfare, and UAB has many Medicaid patients (70% at Children's).
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