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RE: Biggest Threat to UAB football and basketball is occuring
This thread is hilarious. There has always been a weird contingent among UAB supporters from the right side of the political spectrum, from the small government, lower taxes crowd. That's a valid political view to hold. One I do not subscribe to, but it's weird that we have so many right leaning and fanatically right wing supporters of an institution whose sole existence is due to massive federal subsidies.

The Trump administration is eviscerating the NIH. If you think that means anything other than the devastation of UAB, including athletics, you've got your head in the sand. I don't care how much money gets donated.
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(03-19-2017 09:35 PM)mixduptransistor Wrote:  This thread is hilarious. There has always been a weird contingent among UAB supporters from the right side of the political spectrum, from the small government, lower taxes crowd. That's a valid political view to hold. One I do not subscribe to, but it's weird that we have so many right leaning and fanatically right wing supporters of an institution whose sole existence is due to massive federal subsidies.

The Trump administration is eviscerating the NIH. If you think that means anything other than the devastation of UAB, including athletics, you've got your head in the sand. I don't care how much money gets donated.

NIH is getting a projected 5.6 billion cut off of 31.7 billion annual budget . Everybody's budget is getting tightened.

The sky isn't falling.
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(03-17-2017 10:24 AM)uabbean Wrote:  No not Ray Watts at this time But the federal budget cutback in research. UAB athletic operating budget of rounded 30 million is funded roughly 10 million in revenues, 5 million from students and 15 million from presidents discretionary fund(PDF). The PDF primary source of revenue is indirect cost recovery - roughly 45 cents for each dollar of federal grant for overhead. For example, Harvard with a 65,000 a year janitor they lose money but 10 a hour UAB janitors we make money. PDF also funds a lot of the Campus building

According to the article the proposed budget could cut $ 65 million from UAB research dollars. A few years ago would translate to about 15 million drop in PDF. (after real expenses)

http://www.al.com/news/birmingham/index....river_home

The good news is that a proposed budget is not yet passed. We also have time because grants usually last for years. The bad news is the cap on spending will at a minimum survive Ray Watts. But if we do not increase revenues in football and Basketball we can expect cut backs.

This could end the dreams of an OCS, 45new basketball facilities or even the budget necessary for a better league. I predicted the SOM pressure on the budget that led to unexpected Ray Watts debacle but in the long run this may be worse because it is based on reality

less rats will die , most of the researchs dont have clinical value (bench research) and are for the researcher and his staff only
The clinical research will survive and the bench research will be more clinical
UAB will survive
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Just as I would think. The BS stuff gets cut out & you are working on stuff that truly matters.
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uabbean,

Perhaps under the scenario you expressed, we will finally see universities stop the crying about athletics money they are "spending"!

Let's discuss the $15 million PDF amount that Watts is spending (I thought he agreed to $20 million, but we'll use $15 million). The main expense covered by the discretionary funds are scholarships. But UAB charges the UAB Athletic Department the price of FULL tutition!!! I'll repeat that: UAB charges UAB! Those aren't real expenses!

Let's use an example:
Football Player A signs a scholarship to play at UAB. So, UAB charges UAB Athletics $14,000 for his education. How much of that money goes to an intitity that is outside of UAB? The number is about $4,000 (according to some who have studied this, i.e. Andy Schwartz). So, the university says that fielding a football team costs $14,000 X 85 (actually more because they charge more for out of state athletes even though they don't require any more expense). That is a minimum of about $1.2 million (again with out of staters, it is much more).

However, the actual number should be $4,000 X 85, which is $340,000. That's what football scholarships actually cost UAB the institution. Now, UAB will field about 30 walk-on football players, students who are only attending UAB because of football! Without football there, these kids would be students somewhere else. So UAB football has recruited these 30 kids at full price! So, those students are costing UAB about $4,000, but they are paying $14,000, so that's a difference of $10,000 each. So, 30 X $10,000 = $300,000. So, now UAB Football is in the hole $40,000 on scholarships. Blazer Club raises WAY more than that. Plus, there are girlfriends, friends, band members, and cheerleaders that come to UAB because they have a footballl program. If not, they would go somewhere else.

UAB Football does NOT lose money!!! It never has!

Let's look at Women's soccer. Surely they lose money. There are 24 girls on their roster. The NCAA allows 12 full scholarships. 12 X $4,000 = $48,000

The other 12 girls are paying $10,000 more than they cost. So, 12 X $10,000 = $120,000!!! They are $72,000 to the good right off the bat!! Now, with coaching salaries and travel, they may lose money, but it's not millions.

The idea of college athletics costing universities tens of millions every year is a bold face lie, and they need to stop telling that lie! The universities want to sing you a sad song, but the way they calculate things is dishonest.
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(03-19-2017 09:35 PM)mixduptransistor Wrote:  This thread is hilarious. There has always been a weird contingent among UAB supporters from the right side of the political spectrum, from the small government, lower taxes crowd. That's a valid political view to hold. One I do not subscribe to, but it's weird that we have so many right leaning and fanatically right wing supporters of an institution whose sole existence is due to massive federal subsidies.

The Trump administration is eviscerating the NIH. If you think that means anything other than the devastation of UAB, including athletics, you've got your head in the sand. I don't care how much money gets donated.

Hyperbole is within your grasp.

Any submitted budget is a starting point for negotiation. Obama submitted budgets too but they were so far out of kilter they weren't taken seriously even by his own staff. Every representative and senator has constituents that would take a hit if this were passed as is and these guys like to get reelected. This is all part of the process. We haven't seen a real budget process in so long we don't recognize it anymore
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This is why I've suggested for years that we raise money to endow the scholarships for a two or three of the biggest bleeders in "Olympic" (i.e. non revenue) sports. A small investment (in comparison to football and hoops) could pay large dividends
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(03-20-2017 09:20 AM)linus Wrote:  This is why I've suggested for years that we raise money to endow the scholarships for a two or three of the biggest bleeders in "Olympic" (i.e. non revenue) sports. A small investment (in comparison to football and hoops) could pay large dividends

Who is bleeding? The scholarships in those programs are often covered by walk-ons. Of course, university accounting doesn't consider that. It assumes that if the program went away, those walk-ons would still be students at UAB. When Football, Bowling, and Rifle went away, we saw freshmen enrollment drop considerably. We didn't just lose those scholarship athletes. We lost the walk-ons, prospective band members, prospective cheerleaders, and just regular students who wanted a football program.
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(03-19-2017 10:36 PM)BlazerPhil Wrote:  
(03-19-2017 09:35 PM)mixduptransistor Wrote:  This thread is hilarious. There has always been a weird contingent among UAB supporters from the right side of the political spectrum, from the small government, lower taxes crowd. That's a valid political view to hold. One I do not subscribe to, but it's weird that we have so many right leaning and fanatically right wing supporters of an institution whose sole existence is due to massive federal subsidies.

The Trump administration is eviscerating the NIH. If you think that means anything other than the devastation of UAB, including athletics, you've got your head in the sand. I don't care how much money gets donated.

NIH is getting a projected 5.6 billion cut off of 31.7 billion annual budget . Everybody's budget is getting tightened.

The sky isn't falling.

That's just the year 1 cut. Brace for impact.

The price of "the wall" will inflate and even more money will be shifted for military spending in the coming years. But, as biglizard said, we'll have to see how the final budget shakes out.
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+1 The Dragon and Frenchy.
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"One man's trash is another man's treasure" applies as well to research programs. Much basic research is very prosaic - unexciting and boring in telling - but can have major payoff in applications ("this ingredient was found in jellyfish" drug ad).

All this ASSUMES that all state university research is funded by federal and private grants equally, but when Congress votes money it does so with an eye to helping get their party's candidates elected next time. Alabama will be competing for funding with other (red?) states anxious to improve their own share of these funds. Some states will get cut more than others, not necessarily to our liking.
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I'm not convinced Trump gets out of the first year intact. If the Congress gets really aggressive he's got plenty of wiggle room now to pad the budget with goodies and get them to back off
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Trump can propose a budget that changes the face of the Statue of Liberty to his own face and then covers the statue in gold leaf. It does not matter what his budget says, any more than it did what Obama's budgets said. What matters is the budget bill that Congress actually passes. They know that there will be another election in 2018, and there are plenty of them who don't want some of this nonsense hung around their neck while their primary and general election opponents throw rotting fruit at them.

What makes it tough for some of them is that the fruit will come from both directions. Navigating their course is going to get interesting.
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Most of you guys haven't been on the inside. First, Frenchy's dismissal of basic science research is incredibly disappointing. My old department does a ton of that kind of research and they're not just "killing rats" and wasting money. They're doing research into MS, alzheimers, and more. Secondly, if you aren't burning up your phone to your representatives to stop even one penny of decrease in federal funding to UAB, you should just delete your account here and go home. The medical side will eat the west end alive, and at that point the Tuscaloosa crowd will have their cover to do what they want.

Don't think that a covered pavilion means that UAB football is now invulnerable.
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(03-20-2017 09:42 AM)the Dragon Wrote:  
(03-20-2017 09:20 AM)linus Wrote:  This is why I've suggested for years that we raise money to endow the scholarships for a two or three of the biggest bleeders in "Olympic" (i.e. non revenue) sports. A small investment (in comparison to football and hoops) could pay large dividends

Who is bleeding? The scholarships in those programs are often covered by walk-ons. Of course, university accounting doesn't consider that. It assumes that if the program went away, those walk-ons would still be students at UAB. When Football, Bowling, and Rifle went away, we saw freshmen enrollment drop considerably. We didn't just lose those scholarship athletes. We lost the walk-ons, prospective band members, prospective cheerleaders, and just regular students who wanted a football program.

try telling that to the BOT or Fat Ray.
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I think the BOT & Fat Ray got the message when enrollment dropped & funding for the Campaign For UAB dried up.
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(03-20-2017 09:10 PM)linus Wrote:  
(03-20-2017 09:42 AM)the Dragon Wrote:  
(03-20-2017 09:20 AM)linus Wrote:  This is why I've suggested for years that we raise money to endow the scholarships for a two or three of the biggest bleeders in "Olympic" (i.e. non revenue) sports. A small investment (in comparison to football and hoops) could pay large dividends

Who is bleeding? The scholarships in those programs are often covered by walk-ons. Of course, university accounting doesn't consider that. It assumes that if the program went away, those walk-ons would still be students at UAB. When Football, Bowling, and Rifle went away, we saw freshmen enrollment drop considerably. We didn't just lose those scholarship athletes. We lost the walk-ons, prospective band members, prospective cheerleaders, and just regular students who wanted a football program.

try telling that to the BOT or Fat Ray.

They know it very well.
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The question about consequences of financial decisions always revolves around the priorities of those making the final decisions. If their priorities don't suffer from what appears to be bad decisions to some, it might not matter to them what others see as a disaster. This is true whether the decision maker is federal, state or local in power. Such power brokers are willing to inflict damage on whatever they consider acceptable or expendable. They don't care as long as THEIR objectives remain unaffected or at least protected.

Killing UAB football was such a decision that the BOT and their "hired gun" felt was worth the costs to the school, the local economy and the state. When things like public perception of the UA System BOT and the UAB administration caused financial losses, the sports were reinstated -- on a trial basis.
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