(03-17-2017 01:48 PM)Southaven Wrote:  

(03-17-2017 01:42 PM)Whale of a Guy Wrote:  

(03-17-2017 01:23 PM)Southaven Wrote:  

(03-17-2017 01:18 PM)Whale of a Guy Wrote:  

(03-17-2017 12:21 PM)VinnieVegas Wrote:  I liked you better as Mick light and Matoon

I liked you better as a drunk evangelist

You guys know each other?

Yea, we used to kick it 30 years ago in his moms basement. He still lives there

So he doesn't live in Vegas?

He ain't bout dat life

(03-17-2017 01:57 PM)Whale of a Guy Wrote:  

(03-17-2017 01:48 PM)Southaven Wrote:  

(03-17-2017 01:42 PM)Whale of a Guy Wrote:  

(03-17-2017 01:23 PM)Southaven Wrote:  

(03-17-2017 01:18 PM)Whale of a Guy Wrote:  I liked you better as a drunk evangelist

You guys know each other?

Yea, we used to kick it 30 years ago in his moms basement. He still lives there

So he doesn't live in Vegas?

He ain't bout dat life

I'd say I like you better as Homefry20 but he's a big goofy POS too

(03-17-2017 01:23 PM)Southaven Wrote:  

(03-17-2017 01:18 PM)Whale of a Guy Wrote:  

(03-17-2017 12:21 PM)VinnieVegas Wrote:  

(03-17-2017 12:20 PM)BuccTiger Wrote:  

(03-17-2017 11:59 AM)VinnieVegas Wrote:  Thanks Rick

My name is Rick, so a swing and a miss. I doubt anyone on here knows me?

I liked you better as Mick light and Matoon

I liked you better as a drunk evangelist

You guys know each other?

Hey Rick! You slipped that one by me

(03-17-2017 06:47 AM)ncrdbl1 Wrote:  

(03-16-2017 07:12 PM)former guest Wrote:  I tend to agree with a couple of the posters here. I think after not getting a big desirable fish to bite, they went with a hire that didn't need adult supervision like we had the previous 7 years. Basically Bowen was tired of having to clean up the messes (like all the transfer drama every year and the scheduling details and other such pains) of his fledgling basketball coach. Hiring Tubby relieved him of those duties to focus his efforts on football and the Big 12 chase.

Now to address the team that took the floor, I think Tubby decided to take a chance to evaluate the players he had and how they react under pressure and how they take to his coaching style and such, since it was a honeymoon season anyway. I also figure (just a guess on my part) that he didn't take too much to having to take Keelon as part of the deal. So he wanted to see if the ends justified the means. I think that as the season wore on, he saw that maybe they weren't his cup of tea, from a skills or tolerance fit. Having no bench depth to put in when the team started going south (his own doing, I know...) or to sit someone that needed straightened out, all he could do is watch.

I'm in the "let him do it his way" camp, even if it takes 2 or 3 years to get there. Unfortunately, a lot of our fan base is of the instant gratification mindset, so they will be all pissed off about it until they get their way. Here's hoping Tubby rights the ship in a couple of years, retires and we have a program that once again can attract the kind of coach most around here are screaming for.

The transfer rules have changed the face of the game. Losing players to transfer has NOT stopped since the new hire. Orlando has lost two and has barely been here a year. Not counting losing a top recruit already committed to the program. So the so called "mes" you talk about is still here.

The only problem he had with having to take Keelon is that it made him have to shuffle things around in order to get his own son on the staff. Let's see should i choose between a coach who has proven himself by winning a state title and who has connections to several high quality local players including his four sons who are all top 50 players. Or do i hire my own son whose only news worthy event was a drunk driving conviction.

Since you cannot get out of the past then let's look at it. We got rid of someone who has NEVER lost three games in a row no matter how many injuries and who has TWICE swept the defending National Champion. For someone who has not finished above .500 in conference since leaving UK. One who has not only lost FIVE in a row but lost 6 out of last 7 games and lost the last two games by a total of 71 points. While having to deal with a single injury which caused a player to miss significant playing time. All of this while playing one of the weakest schedules the Tigers have had in 10 years.

Statistical data has shown NO improvement over the past two years and in many ways have seen a step backwards. All with 3 FOUR star players and 2 THREE star in the starting lineup. Whose best recruit so far would be consider a class filling 4 year prospect from previous years.

Senior night attendance last year was at 84% capacity. This year 51%. Final 2 home games last year 79.5% of capacity. This year 59.5%.

The transfer mention is in terms of the AD involvement in the administrative aspect of more crap to have to do on top of his other jobs. And at the rate they were transferring out, I'm sure it was a constant thorn in his side. And then the way the Nichols drama went down just put the cherry on top. Have there been transfers, yes - for both coaches. That was not the intent of the mention in my post.

Show me where having won a state HS title has meant anything in the world of NCAA D1 basketball coaching. I do not see a correlation there. As a matter of fact, if his sons are top 50 players, then why aren't we winning more with them? The only reason he has the state title is because his sons were great HS players. What have they done since HS? Just because they have these great stats, what has that done for the team? Being the high scorer and/or rebounder on a team that can't make the postseason is somewhat akin to being named the Prom Queen of the trailer park - big fat deal. It's just a continuation of the AAU "me first" aspect of the style of play that runs rampant there. And as for Keelon, who else has he recruited to the team in his stint in that position, if he is such a masterful recruiter? And as for anyone who has made a mistake in their life, I don't really care for your personal bashing of Saul for a DUI in his past. Are you perfect in your life? There's only one entity that I have heard of that was perfect. I may not care for Tubby putting his son on staff, but he is in charge and if he wants him it's his call.

Talk about me living in the past, but if you think the players are still 3- and 4-star players - FROM HIGH SCHOOL. Judging from what I've seen so far, their glory days may have been in the past, but that doesn't stop anyone around here from using that as the gold standard to measure basketball talent. When the level of competition steps up substantially from HS to DI college ball, are they still producing 3- and 4- star results?

I agree, we stunk it up at the end of the year. Three straight losses doesn't sit well with me, I just hope the players care enough to want to atone for it by putting in the work in the off-season to prove it next year.

(03-17-2017 11:19 AM)memtiger1987 Wrote:  

(03-17-2017 11:09 AM)TigersRuleAll Wrote:  

(03-17-2017 10:48 AM)memtiger1987 Wrote:  

(03-17-2017 10:34 AM)hsvtiger Wrote:  

(03-17-2017 08:40 AM)TigersRuleAll Wrote:  I didn't like the hire from day one. Nothing that has happened over the past year has changed my opinion. And it has very little to do with the results this season.

Just because someone didnt like the hire, doesnt mean that you shouldnt support the hire and the program. If people only support the program when they agree with the hire, it is difficult to EVER get the support needed to move the program forward.

Fans help to propel the program forward. If we'd had 12K at each game, we'd have won another game, or two, & helped with recruiting efforts. Bashing the coach & players WILL NOT help the program. If you want Tubby to fail to prove that your opinion of the hire was correct, then you are NOT a fan/supporter of the program.

Not program or Tubby bashing. Memphis will only support winners. This forum is full of die hard fans, but we aren't the norm.. The only way to get fans to come is winning. If football goes 2-10 next year, attendance will implode. We do this with all sports. Memphis rode the Calipari days for a several years, then people stopped going.

It's simple. Put out a winning product and you'll see 12k in the stands....

Good lord. Memphis fans are no different than any other. And, I bought season tickets and attended most of the games this past year....so I support the PROGRAM.

Nope... we have more fair weather fans than most..

We're top 30 in attendance - even stuck in mediocrity like we are now. That's out of 300ish schools.

Yea, there's some fair weatherness. Even with that, we've got a good fan base.

(03-17-2017 12:17 PM)salukiblue Wrote:  

(03-17-2017 11:27 AM)BuccTiger Wrote:  

(03-17-2017 10:59 AM)Tampa Bay Tiger Wrote:  I think to compare Pearl's lack of success at Auburn to what we would/wouldn't have done at Memphis is shortsighted and not realistic.

My point is that Memphis is not a job that lends itself to coaches with Tubby's ethics/recruiting style/lack of salesmanship. It just doesn't. A coach LIKE Pearl, Marshall, or Forbes is what many feel this program needs instead of someone like Tubby or Josh (a goody-goody).

Whether or not the fanbase gets behind Tubby is irrelevant to the fact that the administration seems out of touch with the Memphis basketball culture and the needs of the program.

Pearl has more resources at Auburn, and he's still stinking up the place. Year 4, final 4 baby. Pasties, tassels and all. Going to be a good time down in auburn, year 4, that's the ticket. Just say no to a g-string.

I bet you they are a 8 seed or better in the NCAAs next year.

I don't think that's the point he's hammering home - maybe he's not even disagreeing with that. The point is that it will have taken him 4 years.

(03-17-2017 08:04 PM)Tiger87 Wrote:  

(03-17-2017 11:19 AM)memtiger1987 Wrote:  

(03-17-2017 11:09 AM)TigersRuleAll Wrote:  

(03-17-2017 10:48 AM)memtiger1987 Wrote:  

(03-17-2017 10:34 AM)hsvtiger Wrote:  Just because someone didnt like the hire, doesnt mean that you shouldnt support the hire and the program. If people only support the program when they agree with the hire, it is difficult to EVER get the support needed to move the program forward.

Fans help to propel the program forward. If we'd had 12K at each game, we'd have won another game, or two, & helped with recruiting efforts. Bashing the coach & players WILL NOT help the program. If you want Tubby to fail to prove that your opinion of the hire was correct, then you are NOT a fan/supporter of the program.

Not program or Tubby bashing. Memphis will only support winners. This forum is full of die hard fans, but we aren't the norm.. The only way to get fans to come is winning. If football goes 2-10 next year, attendance will implode. We do this with all sports. Memphis rode the Calipari days for a several years, then people stopped going.

It's simple. Put out a winning product and you'll see 12k in the stands....

Good lord. Memphis fans are no different than any other. And, I bought season tickets and attended most of the games this past year....so I support the PROGRAM.

Nope... we have more fair weather fans than most..

We're top 30 in attendance - even stuck in mediocrity like we are now. That's out of 300ish schools.

Yea, there's some fair weatherness. Even with that, we've got a good fan base.

Yeah, but we have some fans (if you want to call them that) that will only attend and support if they had hired one of about three coaches.

(03-17-2017 08:04 PM)Tiger87 Wrote:  

(03-17-2017 11:19 AM)memtiger1987 Wrote:  

(03-17-2017 11:09 AM)TigersRuleAll Wrote:  

(03-17-2017 10:48 AM)memtiger1987 Wrote:  

(03-17-2017 10:34 AM)hsvtiger Wrote:  Just because someone didnt like the hire, doesnt mean that you shouldnt support the hire and the program. If people only support the program when they agree with the hire, it is difficult to EVER get the support needed to move the program forward.

Fans help to propel the program forward. If we'd had 12K at each game, we'd have won another game, or two, & helped with recruiting efforts. Bashing the coach & players WILL NOT help the program. If you want Tubby to fail to prove that your opinion of the hire was correct, then you are NOT a fan/supporter of the program.

Not program or Tubby bashing. Memphis will only support winners. This forum is full of die hard fans, but we aren't the norm.. The only way to get fans to come is winning. If football goes 2-10 next year, attendance will implode. We do this with all sports. Memphis rode the Calipari days for a several years, then people stopped going.

It's simple. Put out a winning product and you'll see 12k in the stands....

Good lord. Memphis fans are no different than any other. And, I bought season tickets and attended most of the games this past year....so I support the PROGRAM.

Nope... we have more fair weather fans than most..

We're top 30 in attendance - even stuck in mediocrity like we are now. That's out of 300ish schools.

Yea, there's some fair weatherness. Even with that, we've got a good fan base.

You have season tickets this year? Those attendance figures are whacked..

(03-17-2017 10:15 PM)memtiger1987 Wrote:  

(03-17-2017 08:04 PM)Tiger87 Wrote:  

(03-17-2017 11:19 AM)memtiger1987 Wrote:  

(03-17-2017 11:09 AM)TigersRuleAll Wrote:  

(03-17-2017 10:48 AM)memtiger1987 Wrote:  Not program or Tubby bashing. Memphis will only support winners. This forum is full of die hard fans, but we aren't the norm.. The only way to get fans to come is winning. If football goes 2-10 next year, attendance will implode. We do this with all sports. Memphis rode the Calipari days for a several years, then people stopped going.

It's simple. Put out a winning product and you'll see 12k in the stands....

Good lord. Memphis fans are no different than any other. And, I bought season tickets and attended most of the games this past year....so I support the PROGRAM.

Nope... we have more fair weather fans than most..

We're top 30 in attendance - even stuck in mediocrity like we are now. That's out of 300ish schools.

Yea, there's some fair weatherness. Even with that, we've got a good fan base.

You have season tickets this year? Those attendance figures are whacked..

I do, and they are. But so is pretty much everyone else - other than the bluebloods with hard sellouts.

(03-17-2017 10:41 PM)Tiger87 Wrote:  

(03-17-2017 10:15 PM)memtiger1987 Wrote:  

(03-17-2017 08:04 PM)Tiger87 Wrote:  

(03-17-2017 11:19 AM)memtiger1987 Wrote:  

(03-17-2017 11:09 AM)TigersRuleAll Wrote:  Good lord. Memphis fans are no different than any other. And, I bought season tickets and attended most of the games this past year....so I support the PROGRAM.

Nope... we have more fair weather fans than most..

We're top 30 in attendance - even stuck in mediocrity like we are now. That's out of 300ish schools.

Yea, there's some fair weatherness. Even with that, we've got a good fan base.

You have season tickets this year? Those attendance figures are whacked..

I do, and they are. But so is pretty much everyone else - other than the bluebloods with hard sellouts.

http://fs.ncaa.org/Docs/stats/m_basketba...d/2016.pdf

12,000/game... no way

(03-16-2017 12:36 PM)Claw Wrote:  Don't forget we all believed we were Big XII bound.

This. This. This.

(03-17-2017 10:54 PM)80sTiger Wrote:  

(03-16-2017 12:36 PM)Claw Wrote:  Don't forget we all believed we were Big XII bound.

This. This. This.

Very few 'believed' such.

(03-17-2017 11:03 PM)HoopDreams Wrote:  

(03-17-2017 10:54 PM)80sTiger Wrote:  

(03-16-2017 12:36 PM)Claw Wrote:  Don't forget we all believed we were Big XII bound.

This. This. This.

Very few 'believed' such.

The ones that matter did. They even blocked time off their calendars the day it was supposed to be announced

Memphis job is 5x better than Auburn

They may make more money due to sec etc but the Memphis basketball job is WAY BETTER then Auburn

Pearl would KILL it at Memphis

It's the perfect fit

That said I still believe in Coach Smith. Still think he needs an Ace Recruiter but there's no doubting his coaching ability. Our bench was so thin this year it simply caught up with us at the end of the year. Our guys just ran out for gas

The way tubby has coasted into the NCAA tournament at Minnesota and then at Texas tech won't work here. He beats some crap teams out of conference to make record look good. He loses a lot of conference games but due to being in a strong conference his rpi and strength of schedule get dragged up by conference affiliation. He then gets several quality wins because he gets 8-9 chances for a quality win at home and takes maybe 3-4. Gets 8-9 chances for "quality win" on the road and takes 1-2 of them. That's enough to skate into the tournament most years. Except it won't work here because you have to win 12 games in conference and take the 3-4 chances you get. Tubby got to take free shots at Kansas, Baylor, Oklahoma, Kansas state, Oklahoma state etc etc. if he lost it never counted against him for NCAA tournament selection. If he won it was a huge boost.

That formula doesn't work in the AAC. He doesn't win consistently enough to be successful here. 23-10 is going to get you CBI here. You have to go 26-7 or better probably

Tubby is a good coach, the problem is he doesn't have the players. We have to see his recruits, it will take him three to five yrs. to turn this mess around, now if a true WOW coach is hired it could be a two yr. turn around. Paging Bruce Pearl. and others

(03-18-2017 08:24 AM)jgardne Wrote:  The way tubby has coasted into the NCAA tournament at Minnesota and then at Texas tech won't work here. He beats some crap teams out of conference to make record look good. He loses a lot of conference games but due to being in a strong conference his rpi and strength of schedule get dragged up by conference affiliation. He then gets several quality wins because he gets 8-9 chances for a quality win at home and takes maybe 3-4. Gets 8-9 chances for "quality win" on the road and takes 1-2 of them. That's enough to skate into the tournament most years. Except it won't work here because you have to win 12 games in conference and take the 3-4 chances you get. Tubby got to take free shots at Kansas, Baylor, Oklahoma, Kansas state, Oklahoma state etc etc. if he lost it never counted against him for NCAA tournament selection. If he won it was a huge boost.

That formula doesn't work in the AAC. He doesn't win consistently enough to be successful here. 23-10 is going to get you CBI here. You have to go 26-7 or better probably

1. Tubby coached at Minnesota, TTU, and Memphis for six, three, and one year(s), respectively.

2. His overall record in the past ten years was 188-144 (56.6%).

3. His conference record in the past ten years was 73-107 (40.6%)

4. The range of final conference standings over the past ten years was tied for 5th (Memphis) and 10th (TTU in 2014-2015). His average final conference standing was 7.5.

5. Tubby won the Big 12 COY in the 2015-2016 season. His team finished 19-13 overall and 9-9 in conference for 7th place. He earned an NCAA bid where he promptly lost to Butler by double digits.

6. His 2015-2016 RPI record follows: 6-9 against RPI 1-50; 2-2 against RPI 51-100, 8-2 against RPI 101-200; and 3-0 against RPI 201+. His RPI SOS was #16.

The data supports your post statements. Tubby will have to find a way to enter and win in the NCAA Tourney without being propped up by a P-5 conference. The past season results (especially the last two games) and likely less talent next season does not indicate to me that he knows how to do it.

(03-18-2017 08:39 AM)memphisike Wrote:  Tubby is a good coach, the problem is he doesn't have the players. We have to see his recruits, it will take him three to five yrs. to turn this mess around, now if a true WOW coach is hired it could be a two yr. turn around. Paging Bruce Pearl. and others

It may take him three to five years, but it should only take two to three years. Tiger coaches for the past 45 years have inherited an equal or greater mess. Bartow followed Moe Iba, Finch followed probation, Calipari followed Tic Price/Johnny Jones, and Paster followed after Calipari's roster raid and NCAA violations. Each was able to bring our schools to the NCAA Tourney within two to three years upon hire.

Personally, I will not accept diminished expectations for Tubby. He should be held to the same standard as past Tiger coaches. JMHO....

(03-17-2017 10:34 AM)hsvtiger Wrote:  

(03-17-2017 08:40 AM)TigersRuleAll Wrote:  

(03-16-2017 04:24 PM)Hoots Wrote:  More Tubby-bashing. How nice. No one knows yet if this was a "bad hire" or not. Yet there are plenty in the fan base who are ready to cut bait because this team didn't go undefeated.

Please. Can we wake up?

I didn't like the hire from day one. Nothing that has happened over the past year has changed my opinion. And it has very little to do with the results this season.

Just because someone didnt like the hire, doesnt mean that you shouldnt support the hire and the program. If people only support the program when they agree with the hire, it is difficult to EVER get the support needed to move the program forward.

Fans help to propel the program forward. If we'd had 12K at each game, we'd have won another game, or two, & helped with recruiting efforts. Bashing the coach & players WILL NOT help the program. If you want Tubby to fail to prove that your opinion of the hire was correct, then you are NOT a fan/supporter of the program.

I love when some genius tells others if they qualify to be a fan...lol

(03-17-2017 02:48 PM)VinnieVegas Wrote:  

(03-17-2017 01:57 PM)Whale of a Guy Wrote:  

(03-17-2017 01:48 PM)Southaven Wrote:  

(03-17-2017 01:42 PM)Whale of a Guy Wrote:  

(03-17-2017 01:23 PM)Southaven Wrote:  You guys know each other?

Yea, we used to kick it 30 years ago in his moms basement. He still lives there

So he doesn't live in Vegas?

He ain't bout dat life

I'd say I like you better as Homefry20 but he's a big goofy POS too

Pretty rich you calling anyone else big after you ate Whitey...RIP