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RE: Reason why Tubby was chosen?
(03-16-2017 04:24 PM)Hoots Wrote:  More Tubby-bashing. How nice. No one knows yet if this was a "bad hire" or not. Yet there are plenty in the fan base who are ready to cut bait because this team didn't go undefeated.

Please. Can we wake up?

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(03-16-2017 04:24 PM)Hoots Wrote:  More Tubby-bashing. How nice. No one knows yet if this was a "bad hire" or not. Yet there are plenty in the fan base who are ready to cut bait because this team didn't go undefeated.

Please. Can we wake up?

I didn't like the hire from day one. Nothing that has happened over the past year has changed my opinion. And it has very little to do with the results this season.
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RE: Reason why Tubby was chosen?
If our top concern is not getting into trouble with NCAA this program will be nationally irrelevant, period. Tubby isn't playing the recruiting games despite the fact that to land guys in our own backyard he's got to.

Xavier, Wichita St., and Dayton can attract a certain type of player that Memphis will never be able to so those comps are unfair. Cincinnati is a solid comp but even Cinci has a better reputation academically than Memphis and certainly doesn't have the stigma Memphis has.

Fact is Memphis needed someone like a Marshall or a Buzz type to come in and jolt the program. Even a Forbes or Kennedy would have been a solid choice. Instead Bowen went with someone who will further his own AD career and keep Memphis from NCAA trouble.

With Tubby, we're going to have to wait 3-4 years and hope it all comes together when we could have dished out another 2 million dollars a year, filled up the forum, and been back to relevancy in 2 years tops. That is what this program needed. They botched it.
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RE: Reason why Tubby was chosen?
(03-17-2017 08:47 AM)Tampa Bay Tiger Wrote:  If our top concern is not getting into trouble with NCAA this program will be nationally irrelevant, period. Tubby isn't playing the recruiting games despite the fact that to land guys in our own backyard he's got to.

Xavier, Wichita St., and Dayton can attract a certain type of player that Memphis will never be able to so those comps are unfair. Cincinnati is a solid comp but even Cinci has a better reputation academically than Memphis and certainly doesn't have the stigma Memphis has.

Fact is Memphis needed someone like a Marshall or a Buzz type to come in and jolt the program. Even a Forbes or Kennedy would have been a solid choice. Instead Bowen went with someone who will further his own AD career and keep Memphis from NCAA trouble.

With Tubby, we're going to have to wait 3-4 years and hope it all comes together when we could have dished out another 2 million dollars a year, filled up the forum, and been back to relevancy in 2 years tops. That is what this program needed. They botched it.

There really is no other school that compares to us demographically.
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RE: Reason why Tubby was chosen?
(03-17-2017 09:18 AM)VinnieVegas Wrote:  
(03-17-2017 08:47 AM)Tampa Bay Tiger Wrote:  If our top concern is not getting into trouble with NCAA this program will be nationally irrelevant, period. Tubby isn't playing the recruiting games despite the fact that to land guys in our own backyard he's got to.

Xavier, Wichita St., and Dayton can attract a certain type of player that Memphis will never be able to so those comps are unfair. Cincinnati is a solid comp but even Cinci has a better reputation academically than Memphis and certainly doesn't have the stigma Memphis has.

Fact is Memphis needed someone like a Marshall or a Buzz type to come in and jolt the program. Even a Forbes or Kennedy would have been a solid choice. Instead Bowen went with someone who will further his own AD career and keep Memphis from NCAA trouble.

With Tubby, we're going to have to wait 3-4 years and hope it all comes together when we could have dished out another 2 million dollars a year, filled up the forum, and been back to relevancy in 2 years tops. That is what this program needed. They botched it.

There really is no other school that compares to us demographically.

You're not far off from the truth there. Louisville, Cincinnati, Dayton, and maybe VCU come closest, but there are still significant differences.

I really feel like Memphis has to have a coach like a Dana Kirk or a Cal to be successful. Probably painful for some to hear but history suggest it's true.
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RE: Reason why Tubby was chosen?
(03-17-2017 06:55 AM)450bench Wrote:  
(03-16-2017 04:24 PM)Hoots Wrote:  More Tubby-bashing. How nice. No one knows yet if this was a "bad hire" or not. Yet there are plenty in the fan base who are ready to cut bait because this team didn't go undefeated.

Please. Can we wake up?

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Please - you normally seem level-headed, 450.

No one is ready to cut bait because he didn't go undefeated. That's an utterly absurd statement.

Folks want to see some urgency from the man and the program.

The reason it MAY turn out to be a bad hire is it just wasn't the time to hire someone for a patient 4-5 year rebuild. Not at Memphis and not at this point in time.

I do believe that message has been somewhat received by now though.

Time will tell though.
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RE: Reason why Tubby was chosen?
(03-17-2017 09:47 AM)HoopDreams Wrote:  
(03-17-2017 06:55 AM)450bench Wrote:  
(03-16-2017 04:24 PM)Hoots Wrote:  More Tubby-bashing. How nice. No one knows yet if this was a "bad hire" or not. Yet there are plenty in the fan base who are ready to cut bait because this team didn't go undefeated.

Please. Can we wake up?

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Please - you normally seem level-headed, 450.

No one is ready to cut bait because he didn't go undefeated. That's an utterly absurd statement.

Folks want to see some urgency from the man and the program.

The reason it MAY turn out to be a bad hire is it just wasn't the time to hire someone for a patient 4-5 year rebuild. Not at Memphis and not at this point in time.

I do believe that message has been somewhat received by now though.

Time will tell though.

Excellent post
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RE: Reason why Tubby was chosen?
(03-17-2017 09:47 AM)HoopDreams Wrote:  
(03-17-2017 06:55 AM)450bench Wrote:  
(03-16-2017 04:24 PM)Hoots Wrote:  More Tubby-bashing. How nice. No one knows yet if this was a "bad hire" or not. Yet there are plenty in the fan base who are ready to cut bait because this team didn't go undefeated.

Please. Can we wake up?

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Please - you normally seem level-headed, 450.

No one is ready to cut bait because he didn't go undefeated. That's an utterly absurd statement.

Folks want to see some urgency from the man and the program.

The reason it MAY turn out to be a bad hire is it just wasn't the time to hire someone for a patient 4-5 year rebuild. Not at Memphis and not at this point in time.

I do believe that message has been somewhat received by now though.

Time will tell though.

At the risk of being captain hindsight, year 5 of Pastner was time to cut bait. Urgency now is due to that colossally stupid contract.

Had we cut bait with Pastner earlier and gotten Tubby then, he might have had more fan patience in year 1. All speculative, of course.
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RE: Reason why Tubby was chosen?
(03-17-2017 10:20 AM)tiger2000 Wrote:  
(03-17-2017 09:47 AM)HoopDreams Wrote:  
(03-17-2017 06:55 AM)450bench Wrote:  
(03-16-2017 04:24 PM)Hoots Wrote:  More Tubby-bashing. How nice. No one knows yet if this was a "bad hire" or not. Yet there are plenty in the fan base who are ready to cut bait because this team didn't go undefeated.

Please. Can we wake up?

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Please - you normally seem level-headed, 450.

No one is ready to cut bait because he didn't go undefeated. That's an utterly absurd statement.

Folks want to see some urgency from the man and the program.

The reason it MAY turn out to be a bad hire is it just wasn't the time to hire someone for a patient 4-5 year rebuild. Not at Memphis and not at this point in time.

I do believe that message has been somewhat received by now though.

Time will tell though.

At the risk of being captain hindsight, year 5 of Pastner was time to cut bait. Urgency now is due to that colossally stupid contract.

Had we cut bait with Pastner earlier and gotten Tubby then, he might have had more fan patience in year 1. All speculative, of course.

Timing seems to be one of the UofMs biggest issues.
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RE: Reason why Tubby was chosen?
(03-17-2017 10:20 AM)tiger2000 Wrote:  
(03-17-2017 09:47 AM)HoopDreams Wrote:  
(03-17-2017 06:55 AM)450bench Wrote:  
(03-16-2017 04:24 PM)Hoots Wrote:  More Tubby-bashing. How nice. No one knows yet if this was a "bad hire" or not. Yet there are plenty in the fan base who are ready to cut bait because this team didn't go undefeated.

Please. Can we wake up?

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Please - you normally seem level-headed, 450.

No one is ready to cut bait because he didn't go undefeated. That's an utterly absurd statement.

Folks want to see some urgency from the man and the program.

The reason it MAY turn out to be a bad hire is it just wasn't the time to hire someone for a patient 4-5 year rebuild. Not at Memphis and not at this point in time.

I do believe that message has been somewhat received by now though.

Time will tell though.

At the risk of being captain hindsight, year 5 of Pastner was time to cut bait. Urgency now is due to that colossally stupid contract.

Had we cut bait with Pastner earlier and gotten Tubby then, he might have had more fan patience in year 1. All speculative, of course.
Pearl then? He's turned Auburn around in 4 years?

He would have at least excited the fan base with pasties with tassels.
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(03-17-2017 08:40 AM)TigersRuleAll Wrote:  
(03-16-2017 04:24 PM)Hoots Wrote:  More Tubby-bashing. How nice. No one knows yet if this was a "bad hire" or not. Yet there are plenty in the fan base who are ready to cut bait because this team didn't go undefeated.

Please. Can we wake up?

I didn't like the hire from day one. Nothing that has happened over the past year has changed my opinion. And it has very little to do with the results this season.

Just because someone didnt like the hire, doesnt mean that you shouldnt support the hire and the program. If people only support the program when they agree with the hire, it is difficult to EVER get the support needed to move the program forward.

Fans help to propel the program forward. If we'd had 12K at each game, we'd have won another game, or two, & helped with recruiting efforts. Bashing the coach & players WILL NOT help the program. If you want Tubby to fail to prove that your opinion of the hire was correct, then you are NOT a fan/supporter of the program.
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(03-17-2017 10:34 AM)hsvtiger Wrote:  
(03-17-2017 08:40 AM)TigersRuleAll Wrote:  
(03-16-2017 04:24 PM)Hoots Wrote:  More Tubby-bashing. How nice. No one knows yet if this was a "bad hire" or not. Yet there are plenty in the fan base who are ready to cut bait because this team didn't go undefeated.

Please. Can we wake up?

I didn't like the hire from day one. Nothing that has happened over the past year has changed my opinion. And it has very little to do with the results this season.

Just because someone didnt like the hire, doesnt mean that you shouldnt support the hire and the program. If people only support the program when they agree with the hire, it is difficult to EVER get the support needed to move the program forward.

Fans help to propel the program forward. If we'd had 12K at each game, we'd have won another game, or two, & helped with recruiting efforts. Bashing the coach & players WILL NOT help the program. If you want Tubby to fail to prove that your opinion of the hire was correct, then you are NOT a fan/supporter of the program.

These guys want smoke up their dress tail, and Pearl pasties with tassels. Not that there is anything wrong with that, not my cup of tea, but to each his own.
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RE: Reason why Tubby was chosen?
Lots of doom and gloom here. Been watching the tourney, and it's clear that we don't have the talent now to compete. It seems like every team has a couple of shooters, and we really didn't have one that could get off a quick release. They have bigs that are can make space and rebound. We had the Dedric show, they'd give him the ball and watch him. Crawford has flashes, then completely disappears. I actually liked Martin, at times he seemed to be the only player with any intensity.

The last month of the season was brutal, but it should be clear to everyone that we were just not a complete team. No true point guard, no muscle, and poor shooting. Lots of issues for sure.

Hopefully Tubby will find some help for next year, we definitely need it...
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(03-17-2017 10:34 AM)hsvtiger Wrote:  
(03-17-2017 08:40 AM)TigersRuleAll Wrote:  
(03-16-2017 04:24 PM)Hoots Wrote:  More Tubby-bashing. How nice. No one knows yet if this was a "bad hire" or not. Yet there are plenty in the fan base who are ready to cut bait because this team didn't go undefeated.

Please. Can we wake up?

I didn't like the hire from day one. Nothing that has happened over the past year has changed my opinion. And it has very little to do with the results this season.

Just because someone didnt like the hire, doesnt mean that you shouldnt support the hire and the program. If people only support the program when they agree with the hire, it is difficult to EVER get the support needed to move the program forward.

Fans help to propel the program forward. If we'd had 12K at each game, we'd have won another game, or two, & helped with recruiting efforts. Bashing the coach & players WILL NOT help the program. If you want Tubby to fail to prove that your opinion of the hire was correct, then you are NOT a fan/supporter of the program.

Not program or Tubby bashing. Memphis will only support winners. This forum is full of die hard fans, but we aren't the norm.. The only way to get fans to come is winning. If football goes 2-10 next year, attendance will implode. We do this with all sports. Memphis rode the Calipari days for a several years, then people stopped going.

It's simple. Put out a winning product and you'll see 12k in the stands....
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RE: Reason why Tubby was chosen?
(03-17-2017 10:33 AM)BuccTiger Wrote:  
(03-17-2017 10:20 AM)tiger2000 Wrote:  
(03-17-2017 09:47 AM)HoopDreams Wrote:  
(03-17-2017 06:55 AM)450bench Wrote:  
(03-16-2017 04:24 PM)Hoots Wrote:  More Tubby-bashing. How nice. No one knows yet if this was a "bad hire" or not. Yet there are plenty in the fan base who are ready to cut bait because this team didn't go undefeated.

Please. Can we wake up?

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Please - you normally seem level-headed, 450.

No one is ready to cut bait because he didn't go undefeated. That's an utterly absurd statement.

Folks want to see some urgency from the man and the program.

The reason it MAY turn out to be a bad hire is it just wasn't the time to hire someone for a patient 4-5 year rebuild. Not at Memphis and not at this point in time.

I do believe that message has been somewhat received by now though.

Time will tell though.

At the risk of being captain hindsight, year 5 of Pastner was time to cut bait. Urgency now is due to that colossally stupid contract.

Had we cut bait with Pastner earlier and gotten Tubby then, he might have had more fan patience in year 1. All speculative, of course.
Pearl then? He's turned Auburn around in 4 years?

He would have at least excited the fan base with pasties with tassels.

Never was a big Perl fan - didn't outright hate him, but wasn't cheering him as the next hire.

One thing I was vocal about was the Pastner contract. That was plain ole bad business.
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RE: Reason why Tubby was chosen?
I think to compare Pearl's lack of success at Auburn to what we would/wouldn't have done at Memphis is shortsighted and not realistic.

My point is that Memphis is not a job that lends itself to coaches with Tubby's ethics/recruiting style/lack of salesmanship. It just doesn't. A coach LIKE Pearl, Marshall, or Forbes is what many feel this program needs instead of someone like Tubby or Josh (a goody-goody).

Whether or not the fanbase gets behind Tubby is irrelevant to the fact that the administration seems out of touch with the Memphis basketball culture and the needs of the program.
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RE: Reason why Tubby was chosen?
Other coaches werent knocking down the door to come here
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(03-17-2017 11:00 AM)Dynamos Wrote:  Other coaches werent knocking down the door to come here

That's because the administration was looking in the wrong places and they were unwilling to give certain coaches control of the program like they would have wanted.
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(03-17-2017 10:48 AM)memtiger1987 Wrote:  
(03-17-2017 10:34 AM)hsvtiger Wrote:  
(03-17-2017 08:40 AM)TigersRuleAll Wrote:  
(03-16-2017 04:24 PM)Hoots Wrote:  More Tubby-bashing. How nice. No one knows yet if this was a "bad hire" or not. Yet there are plenty in the fan base who are ready to cut bait because this team didn't go undefeated.

Please. Can we wake up?

I didn't like the hire from day one. Nothing that has happened over the past year has changed my opinion. And it has very little to do with the results this season.

Just because someone didnt like the hire, doesnt mean that you shouldnt support the hire and the program. If people only support the program when they agree with the hire, it is difficult to EVER get the support needed to move the program forward.

Fans help to propel the program forward. If we'd had 12K at each game, we'd have won another game, or two, & helped with recruiting efforts. Bashing the coach & players WILL NOT help the program. If you want Tubby to fail to prove that your opinion of the hire was correct, then you are NOT a fan/supporter of the program.

Not program or Tubby bashing. Memphis will only support winners. This forum is full of die hard fans, but we aren't the norm.. The only way to get fans to come is winning. If football goes 2-10 next year, attendance will implode. We do this with all sports. Memphis rode the Calipari days for a several years, then people stopped going.

It's simple. Put out a winning product and you'll see 12k in the stands....

Good lord. Memphis fans are no different than any other. And, I bought season tickets and attended most of the games this past year....so I support the PROGRAM.
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RE: Reason why Tubby was chosen?
(03-17-2017 11:09 AM)TigersRuleAll Wrote:  
(03-17-2017 10:48 AM)memtiger1987 Wrote:  
(03-17-2017 10:34 AM)hsvtiger Wrote:  
(03-17-2017 08:40 AM)TigersRuleAll Wrote:  
(03-16-2017 04:24 PM)Hoots Wrote:  More Tubby-bashing. How nice. No one knows yet if this was a "bad hire" or not. Yet there are plenty in the fan base who are ready to cut bait because this team didn't go undefeated.

Please. Can we wake up?

I didn't like the hire from day one. Nothing that has happened over the past year has changed my opinion. And it has very little to do with the results this season.

Just because someone didnt like the hire, doesnt mean that you shouldnt support the hire and the program. If people only support the program when they agree with the hire, it is difficult to EVER get the support needed to move the program forward.

Fans help to propel the program forward. If we'd had 12K at each game, we'd have won another game, or two, & helped with recruiting efforts. Bashing the coach & players WILL NOT help the program. If you want Tubby to fail to prove that your opinion of the hire was correct, then you are NOT a fan/supporter of the program.

Not program or Tubby bashing. Memphis will only support winners. This forum is full of die hard fans, but we aren't the norm.. The only way to get fans to come is winning. If football goes 2-10 next year, attendance will implode. We do this with all sports. Memphis rode the Calipari days for a several years, then people stopped going.

It's simple. Put out a winning product and you'll see 12k in the stands....

Good lord. Memphis fans are no different than any other. And, I bought season tickets and attended most of the games this past year....so I support the PROGRAM.
Nope... we have more fair weather fans than most..
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