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Deborah Crowder responds re: UNC investigation
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University of North Carolina
Key Figure in NCAA's UNC Investigation Deborah Crowder Responds
Greg Barnes
GREG BARNES
Thursday at 5:02 PM
Department administrator made her first public comments on Thursday.

CHAPEL HILL, N.C. --- Four days before North Carolina is due to respond to the NCAA's latest notice of allegations, Deborah Crowder has issued a response, contending her statements and actions were misrepresented in the Wainstein Report.
"I believe that our university owes a duty to educate and assist students," Crowder said in her affidavit, a copy of which was provided to Inside Carolina on Thursday afternoon by her lawyer, Elliot Abrams of the Cheshire Group. "When institutional problems threatened to harm our students and to prevent them from getting an education, or when advisors made mistakes that threatened to harm students’ futures, I believed we had a duty to protect the students and their futures—not by giving away grades, but by providing customized educational opportunities for students to solve problems created by the institutional bureaucracy.
"That is what these courses were about—they were about educating students, irrespective of whether they were athletes; all students were treated equal."
The former University of North Carolina AFAM department administrator has been a key figure in the lengthy investigation for her role in the department and its classes. Her unwillingness to cooperate with the NCAA's enforcement staff comprises allegation No. 3 in the second amended notice of allegations. She had not made any public comments or responded to any prior notice of allegations since the investigation began.
Crowder spoke privately with Wainstein for the report that was released in 2014, though no recordings or transcripts of the interviews were kept of that interview.
Wainstein claimed Crowder created a “shadow curriculum” with independent study classes “that awarded high grades with little to no regard for the quality of the student’s work in the course” that lasted for nearly two decades.
"Her conduct was neither dishonest nor unethical, and she did not engage in any systematic effort to provide special treatment to student athletes," Crowder's response says. "Rather, all students were treated equal with respect to course access, course requirements, and course grading.
"Finally, it must be noted that the claim inherent in Allegation 1 that the classes in question were not academically substantive is not only false; it is also exceedingly harmful to the thousands of students who worked hard to write thoughtful term papers. This unfounded devaluation of these students’ education—and by extension their degrees—is irresponsible, and the NCAA should stop maligning former students’ reputations by continuing to bring factually unsupported claims related to the quality of their course work."
Crowder's response also indicates the possibility of cooperating with the investigation, which would likely negate Allegation 3, which charges UNC with a Level 1 infraction due to her failure to cooperate.
Crowder becomes the latest Wainstein interview subject to dispute the report's interpretations of their comments and efforts to fit them into a determined narrative.
The NCAA Committee on Infractions’ decision earlier this year to violate its bylaws in order to admit the full Wainstein Report into the case has subjected the report to scrutiny.
View Crowder's Affidavit https://img.scout.com/sites/default/file...20SENT.PDF
View The Response from Crowder's Lawyer https://img.scout.com/sites/default/file...SENT_1.PDF
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I personally can't go more than a couple of days without a half dozen or so really convenient rationalizations.
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I find this really hard to believe:

"Her conduct was neither dishonest nor unethical, and she did not engage in any systematic effort to provide special treatment to student athletes," Crowder's response says. "Rather, all students were treated equal with respect to course access, course requirements, and course grading.
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There have been multiple investigations that provided evidence to counter virtually every statement in Ms. Crowders response. Welcome to 2017. All you have to do is say, "It didn't happen," and it will go away.
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Sounds like they are throwing the AFAM department administrator under the bus.
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What's happening here is that UNC is using Crowder's affidavit to justify another delay. Do I detect a whiff of desperation? I think I do. They have to find some way, any way, to hold off responding until after the NCAA Tournament is over for UNC.
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(03-15-2017 02:17 PM)Hallcity Wrote:  What's happening here is that UNC is using Crowder's affidavit to justify another delay. Do I detect a whiff of desperation? I think I do. They have to find some way, any way, to hold off responding until after the NCAA Tournament is over for UNC.
03-lmfao03-lmfao03-lmfao

That's what you were saying last year.

Looks like we'll see the NCAA in court.
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I'm shocked that UNCG, UNCA, and UNCA are being allowed to play in the postseason give this scandal. I guess this is just delaying the inevitable.
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As much as UNC is clearly playing the stall game, I'm shocked that a sitting university president would make these comments in an environment where you know they'll go public.

"For the things that happened in North Carolina, it's abysmal. I would think that this would lead to the implementation of the death penalty by the NCAA. But I'm not in charge of that."

Maryland president: Would expect shutdown of UNC over academic allegations
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FSU turned itself in (first mistake) for having students (not just athletes) cheating on an online music quiz. It lost national titles (track) and Bowden had wins vacated in a matter of months.

Literally NCAA punished FSU for turning itself it.

The moral of the story, rape children in ala Penn State....you are free to go. Spend decades cheating the system.....NCAA has decided to take its time mysteriously (Swofford protecting them??????....wonder how Clemson feels about this possibility) in finding justice.

It is all so bizarre.
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(04-11-2017 08:31 AM)nole Wrote:  FSU turned itself in (first mistake) for having students (not just athletes) cheating on an online music quiz. It lost national titles (track) and Bowden had wins vacated in a matter of months.

Literally NCAA punished FSU for turning itself it.

The moral of the story, rape children in ala Penn State....you are free to go. Spend decades cheating the system.....NCAA has decided to take its time mysteriously (Swofford protecting them??????....wonder how Clemson feels about this possibility) in finding justice.

It is all so bizarre.

Just threaten to sue & the NCAA will apparently back down.
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(04-11-2017 08:20 AM)CollegeCard Wrote:  As much as UNC is clearly playing the stall game, I'm shocked that a sitting university president would make these comments in an environment where you know they'll go public.

"For the things that happened in North Carolina, it's abysmal. I would think that this would lead to the implementation of the death penalty by the NCAA. But I'm not in charge of that."

Maryland president: Would expect shutdown of UNC over academic allegations

I am by no means sticking up for UNC, but Maryland is in the BIG now. Why dont those folks stop making these silly comments about the ACC and worry about their fellow BIG institutions, and let the ACC folks worry about their own. It would be better for Maryland folks to to focus their efforts worrying about their own AD financial pitfalls than worrying about what the NCAA does to UNC.
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(04-11-2017 11:45 AM)cuseroc Wrote:  
(04-11-2017 08:20 AM)CollegeCard Wrote:  As much as UNC is clearly playing the stall game, I'm shocked that a sitting university president would make these comments in an environment where you know they'll go public.

"For the things that happened in North Carolina, it's abysmal. I would think that this would lead to the implementation of the death penalty by the NCAA. But I'm not in charge of that."

Maryland president: Would expect shutdown of UNC over academic allegations

I am by no means sticking up for UNC, but Maryland is in the BIG now. Why dont those folks stop making these silly comments about the ACC and worry about their fellow BIG institutions, and let the ACC folks worry about their own. It would be better for Maryland folks to to focus their efforts worrying about their own AD financial pitfalls than worrying about what the NCAA does to UNC.

Because they can't help themselves?
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(04-11-2017 08:37 AM)Lenvillecards Wrote:  
(04-11-2017 08:31 AM)nole Wrote:  FSU turned itself in (first mistake) for having students (not just athletes) cheating on an online music quiz. It lost national titles (track) and Bowden had wins vacated in a matter of months.

Literally NCAA punished FSU for turning itself it.

The moral of the story, rape children in ala Penn State....you are free to go. Spend decades cheating the system.....NCAA has decided to take its time mysteriously (Swofford protecting them??????....wonder how Clemson feels about this possibility) in finding justice.

It is all so bizarre.

Just threaten to sue & the NCAA will apparently back down.

The school doesn't even have to sue, just a group of boosters and fans. They'll fold like a tent.
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(04-11-2017 12:36 PM)Hokie Mark Wrote:  
(04-11-2017 11:45 AM)cuseroc Wrote:  
(04-11-2017 08:20 AM)CollegeCard Wrote:  As much as UNC is clearly playing the stall game, I'm shocked that a sitting university president would make these comments in an environment where you know they'll go public.

"For the things that happened in North Carolina, it's abysmal. I would think that this would lead to the implementation of the death penalty by the NCAA. But I'm not in charge of that."

Maryland president: Would expect shutdown of UNC over academic allegations

I am by no means sticking up for UNC, but Maryland is in the BIG now. Why dont those folks stop making these silly comments about the ACC and worry about their fellow BIG institutions, and let the ACC folks worry about their own. It would be better for Maryland folks to to focus their efforts worrying about their own AD financial pitfalls than worrying about what the NCAA does to UNC.

Because they can't help themselves?
I personally am not really a fan of what he said. I understand the sentiment but he should be above it. Should have just gone with coach speak. I can only control my university. Let the NCAA had the situation at UNC. I believe he was asked a question and not just came out with this statement. If he just came out with this statement...There is no defending that.
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