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Are any changes needed for basketball conference tourney?
Just curious if everyone supports all 12 teams in the tourney and keeping it in NO
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(03-12-2017 12:39 PM)GaSoEagle Wrote:  Just curious if everyone supports all 12 teams in the tourney and keeping it in NO

Having it at a neutral site is a....what's the word...DISASTER.

The higher seed should host each round.
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RE: Are any changes needed for basketball conference tourney?
(03-12-2017 12:41 PM)CoastalAlum2011 Wrote:  
(03-12-2017 12:39 PM)GaSoEagle Wrote:  Just curious if everyone supports all 12 teams in the tourney and keeping it in NO

Having it at a neutral site is a....what's the word...DISASTER.

The higher seed should host each round.

04-jawdrop That would be a disaster . . . If you don't like the neutral site, then let the site rotate each year among the conference members . . . But to have the "surviving" higher seed of each round host would be a logistics nightmare . . . .
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RE: Are any changes needed for basketball conference tourney?
(03-12-2017 12:41 PM)CoastalAlum2011 Wrote:  
(03-12-2017 12:39 PM)GaSoEagle Wrote:  Just curious if everyone supports all 12 teams in the tourney and keeping it in NO

Having it at a neutral site is a....what's the word...DISASTER.

The higher seed should host each round.

You wouldn't be able to complete the conference tournament in time.

Every conference in every sport with a conference tournament uses a neutral site.

Go back to the old tournament format, and go back to Thursday and Saturday double-headers, please.
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RE: Are any changes needed for basketball conference tourney?
The Atlantic 10 used to do a hybrid format. The opening rounds were at a neutral site, then a break for 2 days then the conference championship was at the higher seed. Not sure that would work for the Belt.

Or why not just have the teams rotate hosting the tournament?
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RE: Are any changes needed for basketball conference tourney?
With imbalanced schedules, having everyone make the tournament is the best solution.

There's no great solution to hosting due to how spread out the league is.

New Orleans is a decent spot due to how accessible it is flying in, but attendance has been miserable.

An East/West rotation of hosting could be good. The most logical East location is Atlanta, but it would get swallowed up by the SEC.

Does Pensacola have an arena?
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(03-12-2017 03:13 PM)T-Dog Wrote:  With imbalanced schedules, having everyone make the tournament is the best solution.

There's no great solution to hosting due to how spread out the league is.

New Orleans is a decent spot due to how accessible it is flying in, but attendance has been miserable.

An East/West rotation of hosting could be good. The most logical East location is Atlanta, but it would get swallowed up by the SEC.

Does Pensacola have an arena?

Atlanta is the hometown of one institution.

Pensacola has an old arena.

Lets not pretend that any neutral venue is really going to draw a lot of fans, barring some major upgrade to our programs.

If we can't make New Orleans, work....there's not anyplace that will work as a neutral site.

So, is it just that we don't get a lot of fans?
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RE: Are any changes needed for basketball conference tourney?
I would like to see a few changes in the tournament. But those changes are only under the control of Appalachian State.
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RE: Are any changes needed for basketball conference tourney?
(03-12-2017 03:19 PM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  
(03-12-2017 03:13 PM)T-Dog Wrote:  With imbalanced schedules, having everyone make the tournament is the best solution.

There's no great solution to hosting due to how spread out the league is.

New Orleans is a decent spot due to how accessible it is flying in, but attendance has been miserable.

An East/West rotation of hosting could be good. The most logical East location is Atlanta, but it would get swallowed up by the SEC.

Does Pensacola have an arena?

Atlanta is the hometown of one institution.

Pensacola has an old arena.

Lets not pretend that any neutral venue is really going to draw a lot of fans, barring some major upgrade to our programs.

If we can't make New Orleans, work....there's not anyplace that will work as a neutral site.

So, is it just that we don't get a lot of fans?

Yeah...any neutral site will be sad. On campus will only draw for that teams games until they eliminated which seems to happen early. So...if you can go go...if not it is what it is.
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RE: Are any changes needed for basketball conference tourney?
Hot springs was a better site than New Orleans. More people came and even the locals actually cared about it! I like the idea of giving the 1 seed a bye to the championship to make a bigger impact in the NCAA tournament but that's only a dream, it won't happen.
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(03-12-2017 01:46 PM)EigenEagle Wrote:  
(03-12-2017 12:41 PM)CoastalAlum2011 Wrote:  
(03-12-2017 12:39 PM)GaSoEagle Wrote:  Just curious if everyone supports all 12 teams in the tourney and keeping it in NO

Having it at a neutral site is a....what's the word...DISASTER.

The higher seed should host each round.

You wouldn't be able to complete the conference tournament in time.

Every conference in every sport with a conference tournament uses a neutral site.

Go back to the old tournament format, and go back to Thursday and Saturday double-headers, please.

In reference to your last statement, I'm fairly certain that the men and women switch next season. Men play on Thursday, double up on Saturday, women on Monday. After the women take their turn on Monday nights I wouldn't be surprised to see the league ditch that plan.
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RE: Are any changes needed for basketball conference tourney?
What about Birmingham? It is closer to the geographic center. I don't know anything about available facilities though.
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I don't really hate on New Orleans hosting, but I'm not a big fan of Lakefront Arena's location.
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RE: Are any changes needed for basketball conference tourney?
I like all 12 teams in the tournament, but think we should consider playing the first four games at the home court of the higher seeded team on Tuesday. Then Thur/Fri/Sat at the destination. I know the argument of letting everyone enjoy the "Tournament Experience", but the reality is the tournament isn't drawing flies and its even less for the 1st round.

I'd also like to see the conference look at Columbus GA's nice 10K arena. The tournament gets lost in NO, but it'll a big deal in Columbus. Airport is serviced by Delta from any conference city. Other than San Marcos Columbus is within 8 hours of every school and 4 within 4 hrs. NO is 10-12 hrs from 3 schools, but the remaining are within 8 hrs and only 2 schools within 4 hours.

Either way something needs to be changed.

http://www.columbusciviccenter.org/arena/
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RE: Are any changes needed for basketball conference tourney?
(03-12-2017 01:46 PM)EigenEagle Wrote:  
(03-12-2017 12:41 PM)CoastalAlum2011 Wrote:  
(03-12-2017 12:39 PM)GaSoEagle Wrote:  Just curious if everyone supports all 12 teams in the tourney and keeping it in NO

Having it at a neutral site is a....what's the word...DISASTER.

The higher seed should host each round.

You wouldn't be able to complete the conference tournament in time.

Every conference in every sport with a conference tournament uses a neutral site.

Go back to the old tournament format, and go back to Thursday and Saturday double-headers, please.

Not at all. Most Mid Major Leagues use a host school for their conference tournament. Multiple Leagues actually use higher seed hosting each round. (Patriot, Northeast, American East, Atlantic Sun)

Going through the other leagues this year:

Southland: At Sam Houston State
CUSA: At UAB
Summit: At South Dakota
AAC: At UCONN
Big South: At Winthrop


In fact, if you go through the mid major leagues, most are moving to a higher seed hosts format. Used to no one ever hosted all campus sites, now 4 different conferences use that approach, while many others use a host school.

The leagues that didn't were leagues like the WCC, MVC, and MAC, who have traditionally held their tournaments at the same site every year, and draw really well. We don't have that.
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I don't mind a neutral site but NO doesn't seem to be working very well in terms of attendance. My guess is this year's tournament is the worst attended of any conference.
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(03-12-2017 05:24 PM)AppManDG Wrote:  I like all 12 teams in the tournament, but think we should consider playing the first four games at the home court of the higher seeded team on Tuesday. Then Thur/Fri/Sat at the destination. I know the argument of letting everyone enjoy the "Tournament Experience", but the reality is the tournament isn't drawing flies and its even less for the 1st round.

I'd also like to see the conference look at Columbus GA's nice 10K arena. The tournament gets lost in NO, but it'll a big deal in Columbus. Airport is serviced by Delta from any conference city. Other than San Marcos Columbus is within 8 hours of every school and 4 within 4 hrs. NO is 10-12 hrs from 3 schools, but the remaining are within 8 hrs and only 2 schools within 4 hours.

Either way something needs to be changed.

http://www.columbusciviccenter.org/arena/

The Sun Belt's issue is that every potential future host site looks at how we're drawing in New Orleans, and asks the question of whether we would bring any fans there.

Every year that we host a tournament with no fans, we hurt our chances of finding Neutral sites not named Lakefront in the future.

We simply have to consider a more inventive format. Either higher seed hosts all the way through, or going back to individual schools hosting. I'd rather play the tournament at freaking Panther Arena than Lakefront every year.
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Don't be surprised to see the Myrtle Beach area make a run at hosting especially if it keeps the ACC women's the weekend before back to back conference tourneys would be cool
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(03-12-2017 06:17 PM)Tealblood Wrote:  Don't be surprised to see the Myrtle Beach area make a run at hosting especially if it keeps the ACC women's the weekend before back to back conference tourneys would be cool

What's the capacity of the convention center?
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A change needs made, but more than for any other reason, to protect the top seed. My opinion, as far as attendence/atmosphere goes, is that neutral sites suck. But the main concern is trying to get a top seed (or #2) through.

Basing semis/finals at highest seeds would help. Also, returning to a double bye like last year would help. Whether or not every team gets a shot is less important to the conference growth/perception than winning games in the Big Dance.

I take nothing away from Troy, I hope both their teams have great experiences. But the goal at this level is win NCAA games. That's a greater possibility with your top dog representing us, rather than Cindarella. If we want a Cindarella, our top dog at a likely 12/13 seed can play that role once there too.

I get that the conference can achieve some measure of growth during the regular season, via winning strong OOC games. But if you don't like the idea of everyone not getting into the Sun Belt tourney, or having to overcome things like home court advantage or double byes, then use that same regular season to do something about it and win.
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