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This is great news for the fans!! But how does ODU gain financially? It does not help the deficit we face in competing against schools like UNC/ECU/Tech/UVA. There games continue to be aired on television as well as streamed, plus they get a financial benefit from their conference affiliations.
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Still some missing details. Who is producing the games? If it's ASN (or stadium), then that's not going to be all games. Only the ones they get. Or are they going to pay the schools for the rights to THEIR (cusatv-style) broadcasts. An influx of $$ could help greatly improve the quality of those broadcasts; and you know you'd get every conference game. It's a step in the right direction, but seems like another season of sifting through a handful of partners to see who is broadcasting / streaming which games and where.
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I'm not sure there will be much sifting and searching. All the games will be on Twitter, so all we have to do is go there and find Old Dominion. I assume the broadcasts will be C-USA TV style, except this time it's free for us.

I assume schools will be compensated via ad revenue, but I think the days of having a lucrative TV contract and assuming we get money from views is long gone. The schools will have to continue to be creative and agile to find ways to make money.

There is and always will be a gap of the revenue between P5 and G5 and FCS, and this doesn't change that. What this changes is our ability to see all (or most) of our games, which is a quality of life improvement for us. The viewers and twitter are the winners of this deal.
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The ODU vs UMass game will be televised.

From twitter and also mentioned last month during the Q & A with our AD Ryan Bamford.

Quote:Yes @StevieLeaves...working on that now. With ASN out, working on linear (regional/national) and digital platforms for all six home games.

Quote:@UMassADBamford loved the NESN football coverage of #umassfootball last year. Anything in the works to replace ASN network?

This is the facebook Q & A and starting around the 43-44 minute mark is mention of the HD production studio and cable to McGuirk.

https://www.facebook.com/UMassAthletics/...580151662/
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What they're talking about on the conference board: http://www.wvgazettemail.com/sports-mars...nteresting

Quote:C-USA is undergoing a new round of negotiations for 2018, trying to recover from the collapse of rights fees in 2016. I’m hearing Sinclair wants out, which puts the whole ASN/Stadium thing in doubt, and beIN Sports wants out.

The league could land a game or two more from the ESPN empire, and all the ESPN3 games it can stand (with most of it university-produced, by the way). Expect CBS Sports to stick around; will another partner pop up?

Exposure should pick up in C-USA’s next contract, but will the money perk up? Don’t hold your breath.
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(05-05-2017 04:52 PM)odu09 Wrote:  I'm not sure there will be much sifting and searching. All the games will be on Twitter, so all we have to do is go there and find Old Dominion. I assume the broadcasts will be C-USA TV style, except this time it's free for us.

I assume schools will be compensated via ad revenue, but I think the days of having a lucrative TV contract and assuming we get money from views is long gone. The schools will have to continue to be creative and agile to find ways to make money.

There is and always will be a gap of the revenue between P5 and G5 and FCS, and this doesn't change that. What this changes is our ability to see all (or most) of our games, which is a quality of life improvement for us. The viewers and twitter are the winners of this deal.
We agree on this. Twitter is better than no options, which has been the case in basketball since we left the CAA.

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(05-08-2017 09:46 PM)Cyniclone Wrote:  What they're talking about on the conference board: http://www.wvgazettemail.com/sports-mars...nteresting

Quote:C-USA is undergoing a new round of negotiations for 2018, trying to recover from the collapse of rights fees in 2016. I’m hearing Sinclair wants out, which puts the whole ASN/Stadium thing in doubt, and beIN Sports wants out.

The league could land a game or two more from the ESPN empire, and all the ESPN3 games it can stand (with most of it university-produced, by the way). Expect CBS Sports to stick around; will another partner pop up?

Exposure should pick up in C-USA’s next contract, but will the money perk up? Don’t hold your breath.

I think, at this point, exposure needs to be the driving force behind any contract negotiation. Let's face it, the amount of money CUSA schools are getting from media is negligible, and I don't think anyone sees that changing in the near future, so giving up a little cash to gain a lot of exposure seems a wise decision to me.
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If C-USA gets shafted again on TV/streaming service, I think that could spur a realignment event
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But that's only if they pay for / piggyback the school's (cusa.tv) feed. If they don't you will only be able to twitter the games ASN would have done (which is not all of them...and according to that WV article may be none of them). Either way you won't be able to twitter any game that someone else has rights to (CBS, ESPN 3)
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I am all for online stream of games! Online stream of entertainment and sports is evolving rapidly right in front of us. TV is dying as most of us have a online device within reach of us 24/7. CUSA/ ODU have to find away to capitalize on the future of the online stream market. There were countless times last year I was streaming espn on my phone during ODU halftime shows and watching the VT vs APP St. game during the opening acts of the Chris Stapleton concert. Twitter is more accessible to the public than espn cable tv and over the air tv.
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Since Sinclair owns ASN, I thought I'd post this here. Not sure if it makes any difference at all, but if the talk about Sinclair not wanting to be a part of the ASN/Stadium thing, maybe this has something to do with it.

"Sinclair to buy Tribune Media, expanding its local TV reach"

https://www.washingtonpost.com/business/...8e0030e7b7
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(05-09-2017 11:22 AM)AimHigh Wrote:  I am all for online stream of games! Online stream of entertainment and sports is evolving rapidly right in front of us. TV is dying as most of us have a online device within reach of us 24/7. CUSA/ ODU have to find away to capitalize on the future of the online stream market. There were countless times last year I was streaming espn on my phone during ODU halftime shows and watching the VT vs APP St. game during the opening acts of the Chris Stapleton concert. Twitter is more accessible to the public than espn cable tv and over the air tv.

The problem with just having all of your games on some online streaming service that is not owned by ESPN is the lack of visibility. Twitter is great for people who are actively seeking the game, but does nothing to enhance the brand of CUSA and its universities. Sadly, the reality is that the only way CUSA will rebuild its brand to something that isn't seen as less than, is by being on ESPN as much as possible. If you aren't on ESPN you don't get shown on SportsCenter you don't get all of the cross promotion... ESPN will inflate the perception of anything that it owns, and kill the brand of anything that it does not own. It is a sad state of affairs, but I would be begging ESPN to take as many games as possible, and I would give it to them for free. Do that for a little while, rehab the image, build the infrastructure for a streaming network, and hope your brand is strong enough to explore other options a few years down the road.
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(05-09-2017 01:18 PM)Monarchblue Wrote:  
(05-09-2017 11:22 AM)AimHigh Wrote:  I am all for online stream of games! Online stream of entertainment and sports is evolving rapidly right in front of us. TV is dying as most of us have a online device within reach of us 24/7. CUSA/ ODU have to find away to capitalize on the future of the online stream market. There were countless times last year I was streaming espn on my phone during ODU halftime shows and watching the VT vs APP St. game during the opening acts of the Chris Stapleton concert. Twitter is more accessible to the public than espn cable tv and over the air tv.

The problem with just having all of your games on some online streaming service that is not owned by ESPN is the lack of visibility. Twitter is great for people who are actively seeking the game, but does nothing to enhance the brand of CUSA and its universities. Sadly, the reality is that the only way CUSA will rebuild its brand to something that isn't seen as less than, is by being on ESPN as much as possible. If you aren't on ESPN you don't get shown on SportsCenter you don't get all of the cross promotion... ESPN will inflate the perception of anything that it owns, and kill the brand of anything that it does not own. It is a sad state of affairs, but I would be begging ESPN to take as many games as possible, and I would give it to them for free. Do that for a little while, rehab the image, build the infrastructure for a streaming network, and hope your brand is strong enough to explore other options a few years down the road.

You can forget about national visibility. Alabama, Clemson, Ohio State, and even UVA and VT fans see us as no different than they see W&M, JMU, and Delaware. There just isn't enough interest for our games to be on national TV and there is really no CUSA "brand" to enhance. Football is seen as 3rd tier and basketball is just not consistently good enough for national TV to gamble and commit to covering any of our games before the season starts. I have given up on national visibility. There won't even be much regional visibility since our CUSA games only have one team (us) in the region. MASN and CSN used to cover our games when we were playing other teams in the region, but I can't remember the last time we were on either of those channels so now I have come to terms to be concerned solely with personal visibility (without having to shell out $10 every week for a new recurring monthly subscription for a schitty buffering feed) and this should help with that. Even if the feed still sucks, at least we aren't wasting money on it.
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(05-09-2017 01:34 PM)EverRespect Wrote:  
(05-09-2017 01:18 PM)Monarchblue Wrote:  
(05-09-2017 11:22 AM)AimHigh Wrote:  I am all for online stream of games! Online stream of entertainment and sports is evolving rapidly right in front of us. TV is dying as most of us have a online device within reach of us 24/7. CUSA/ ODU have to find away to capitalize on the future of the online stream market. There were countless times last year I was streaming espn on my phone during ODU halftime shows and watching the VT vs APP St. game during the opening acts of the Chris Stapleton concert. Twitter is more accessible to the public than espn cable tv and over the air tv.

The problem with just having all of your games on some online streaming service that is not owned by ESPN is the lack of visibility. Twitter is great for people who are actively seeking the game, but does nothing to enhance the brand of CUSA and its universities. Sadly, the reality is that the only way CUSA will rebuild its brand to something that isn't seen as less than, is by being on ESPN as much as possible. If you aren't on ESPN you don't get shown on SportsCenter you don't get all of the cross promotion... ESPN will inflate the perception of anything that it owns, and kill the brand of anything that it does not own. It is a sad state of affairs, but I would be begging ESPN to take as many games as possible, and I would give it to them for free. Do that for a little while, rehab the image, build the infrastructure for a streaming network, and hope your brand is strong enough to explore other options a few years down the road.

You can forget about national visibility. Alabama, Clemson, Ohio State, and even UVA and VT fans see us as no different than they see W&M, JMU, and Delaware. There just isn't enough interest for our games to be on national TV and there is really no CUSA "brand" to enhance. Football is seen as 3rd tier and basketball is just not consistently good enough for national TV to gamble and commit to covering any of our games before the season starts. I have given up on national visibility. There won't even be much regional visibility since our CUSA games only have one team (us) in the region. MASN and CSN used to cover our games when we were playing other teams in the region, but I can't remember the last time we were on either of those channels so now I have come to terms to be concerned solely with personal visibility (without having to shell out $10 every week for a new recurring monthly subscription for a schitty buffering feed) and this should help with that. Even if the feed still sucks, at least we aren't wasting money on it.

I think MASN was picking up ASN's games. CSN is its own thing though. Regardless, you're right. There is no point in hoping for an ESPN slot at any point on a Saturday...I wouldn't mind the CUSA.tv if the other schools had to meet a standard for it. Unfortunately there is no quality control even though we have to pay for it.
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You guys are right. The sad part is, an athletics program is supposed to be the "front porch" of the university. Its what the average person first associates with a school in most instances. We had that going for us regionally in the CAA, and once we made the move to FBS it was supposed to enhance the ODU brand and visibility to a more national level. That plan has completely crashed and burned. If the school isn't getting a huge PR and Marketing return on its sports investment that results in better students, better teachers and larger donations then in reality it isn't worth it just to make 25,000 hard core Monarch fans happy. Maybe we are, but if not, we should be or we need to re-evaluate.
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Well while certainly not the pinnacle of a national ranking, I don't believe we were #210 on US News when we were in the CAA and I believe it has been well-documented that levels of giving are much higher than they were during the CAA days. These are just a couple of data points but what do I know?? I also believe that student scores and graduation rates in 4 years have moved up but I'm not real sure about those.

I agree that the national branding has not moved much but everyone says they want national branding and I'm not sure anyone beyond the AAU achieves that.

Personally I think ODU's profile has much less to do with CUSA and much more to do with ODU accepting the path of access for all Virginians at the lowest tuition rates possible. Now we find ourselves trying to sell an improved university without being able to raise the cost beyond the third lowest in the State.

I can't think of many business case studies where the lowest-priced widget was also seen as the highest value. But that's an entirely different story. Nothing to do with CUSA.
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(05-09-2017 04:33 PM)FearTheLion Wrote:  Well while certainly not the pinnacle of a national ranking, I don't believe we were #210 on US News when we were in the CAA and I believe it has been well-documented that levels of giving are much higher than they were during the CAA days. These are just a couple of data points but what do I know?? I also believe that student scores and graduation rates in 4 years have moved up but I'm not real sure about those.

I agree that the national branding has not moved much but everyone says they want national branding and I'm not sure anyone beyond the AAU achieves that.

Personally I think ODU's profile has much less to do with CUSA and much more to do with ODU accepting the path of access for all Virginians at the lowest tuition rates possible. Now we find ourselves trying to sell an improved university without being able to raise the cost beyond the third lowest in the State.

I can't think of many business case studies where the lowest-priced widget was also seen as the highest value. But that's an entirely different story. Nothing to do with CUSA.

ODU has reached max capacity for enrollment. Its time to start improving services and academic quality while raising admission standards. Getting more focused full time students will increase our graduation rate giving us a higher ranking. Raising tuition would give us better facilities and a better faculty/student ratio and tenured faculty raising our ranking. Better rankings draw students with greater potential to make big money and give back to the school. It can be a big beautiful snowball. The crime perception problem needs to be addressed for any of that to come to fruition.
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(05-11-2017 07:30 PM)monarx Wrote:  
(05-09-2017 04:33 PM)FearTheLion Wrote:  Well while certainly not the pinnacle of a national ranking, I don't believe we were #210 on US News when we were in the CAA and I believe it has been well-documented that levels of giving are much higher than they were during the CAA days. These are just a couple of data points but what do I know?? I also believe that student scores and graduation rates in 4 years have moved up but I'm not real sure about those.

I agree that the national branding has not moved much but everyone says they want national branding and I'm not sure anyone beyond the AAU achieves that.

Personally I think ODU's profile has much less to do with CUSA and much more to do with ODU accepting the path of access for all Virginians at the lowest tuition rates possible. Now we find ourselves trying to sell an improved university without being able to raise the cost beyond the third lowest in the State.

I can't think of many business case studies where the lowest-priced widget was also seen as the highest value. But that's an entirely different story. Nothing to do with CUSA.

ODU has reached max capacity for enrollment. Its time to start improving services and academic quality while raising admission standards. Getting more focused full time students will increase our graduation rate giving us a higher ranking. Raising tuition would give us better facilities and a better faculty/student ratio and tenured faculty raising our ranking. Better rankings draw students with greater potential to make big money and give back to the school. It can be a big beautiful snowball. The crime perception problem needs to be addressed for any of that to come to fruition.

They just raised tuition effective this month.
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(05-12-2017 01:07 PM)bigblueodu Wrote:  
(05-11-2017 07:30 PM)monarx Wrote:  
(05-09-2017 04:33 PM)FearTheLion Wrote:  Well while certainly not the pinnacle of a national ranking, I don't believe we were #210 on US News when we were in the CAA and I believe it has been well-documented that levels of giving are much higher than they were during the CAA days. These are just a couple of data points but what do I know?? I also believe that student scores and graduation rates in 4 years have moved up but I'm not real sure about those.

I agree that the national branding has not moved much but everyone says they want national branding and I'm not sure anyone beyond the AAU achieves that.

Personally I think ODU's profile has much less to do with CUSA and much more to do with ODU accepting the path of access for all Virginians at the lowest tuition rates possible. Now we find ourselves trying to sell an improved university without being able to raise the cost beyond the third lowest in the State.

I can't think of many business case studies where the lowest-priced widget was also seen as the highest value. But that's an entirely different story. Nothing to do with CUSA.

ODU has reached max capacity for enrollment. Its time to start improving services and academic quality while raising admission standards. Getting more focused full time students will increase our graduation rate giving us a higher ranking. Raising tuition would give us better facilities and a better faculty/student ratio and tenured faculty raising our ranking. Better rankings draw students with greater potential to make big money and give back to the school. It can be a big beautiful snowball. The crime perception problem needs to be addressed for any of that to come to fruition.

They just raised tuition effective this month.

Yep, they do it annually.
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Hopefully this increase get us above the 3rd cheapest of VA's 15 or so public four year colleges and universities? Frankly I'd be surprised.
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