(03-12-2017 09:16 PM)ClemVegas Wrote:  can anyone explain how playing the tournament in other cities increases the 'conference position' on any front. ACC games are already on television, the biggest stage.

the tournament is supposed to be about the teams and the fans.

As been shown over and over and over again, John Swofford's opinion on the strategic benefits of playing in NY and other cities is well known, and according to him, the presidents and ADs are in agreement.(1) (2) So too is Jim Delany's opinion well known.(3)

You obviously think you know better than either of these two men who have devoted their professional careers to college athletics. Since I know you aren't capable of anything but strawman retorts, and certainly can't answer my original question, I won't waste my time responding to you further. If anyone else can logically present any sort of reason beyond nostalgia and and fan convenience for holding the tournament in Greensboro, I'd love to be enlightened, and I am sincere in that request.

Swofford says so isn't evidence. i don't see how Swofford who has done nothing to UNC for their scandal has more crediblity than anybody else. if that was CLemson, he would have punished the program.

i think fan convenience is the best reason for holding the tournament somewhere. lol that's what is funny about you, you don't think it is about the fans. they are the customers of the product but you think it is good to play away from the fans.

the tournament is going to be in Gboro some years. you might as well accept it.

what is interesting is Swofford and the other ACC leaders have no problem with tournament being in Gboro some years and you disagree with them on that. you say it has no advantage, but then you cite them as proof that playing in NYC is great for the ACC. you want to have it both ways.

This board was a lot better when someone was taking a break, when we didn't have all of these childish rants.

(03-12-2017 08:59 PM)CrazyPaco Wrote:  The ACC has essentially no competition for its basketball brand south of Maryland and north of South Carolina. It has 4 schools in North Carolina with blanked coverage and zero power conference competition. South of North Carolina, there is one other power conference, which is arguably the weakest basketball power conference, and essentially no multi-bid mid-majors (unless you count the increasingly weak multi-region American). North of North Carolina, two other basketball power conferences are competing against it, and three if you count WVU's intrusion into the region, plus the regular multi-bid A10.

Can anyone explain how playing in Greensboro strategically advances the conference's position on any front?

Pick your cliche........I like "dance with the one that brought you" (The principle that someone should pay proper fealty to those who have gone out of their way to look after them....urban dictonary).

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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2015_ACC_M...Tournament

6 out of the 7 sessions had 22,026 fans in attendance.

(03-13-2017 08:22 AM)XLance Wrote:  

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Attendance at the last tournament played in Greensboro (2015)

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2015_ACC_M...Tournament

6 out of the 7 sessions had 22,026 fans in attendance.

an article from last week from the Long Island daily....

http://www.newsday.com/sports/college/co...1.13217328

Quote:Resale ticket prices for the first ACC men’s basketball tournament to be held in Brooklyn are trending higher than those for recent tournaments more geographically in line with the conference’s traditional base.

According to TicketIQ.com, which tracks a variety of secondary market sites, the average asking price across the tournament was $185 as of Monday, up from $121 in Washington, D.C., last year and a range of $135 to $179 the previous three years in Greensboro, North Carolina.

Asking prices for Friday’s semifinals at Barclays Center were averaging $354, with a low of $88, and for Saturday’s final were averaging $256, with a low of $54.

There were extreme bargains for games earlier in the week, including Wednesday’s sessions, for which tickets can be had for under $10.

Asking prices for the Big East Tournament at Madison Square Garden were averaging $205, according to Ticket IQ.com, roughly in line with recent seasons.

Tickets for Wednesday’s session, which includes St. John’s, start at only $4 on the resale market.

(03-12-2017 10:38 PM)CrazyPaco Wrote:  

(03-12-2017 09:16 PM)ClemVegas Wrote:  can anyone explain how playing the tournament in other cities increases the 'conference position' on any front. ACC games are already on television, the biggest stage.

the tournament is supposed to be about the teams and the fans.

As been shown over and over and over again, John Swofford's opinion on the strategic benefits of playing in NY and other cities is well known, and according to him, the presidents and ADs are in agreement.(1) (2) So too is Jim Delany's opinion well known.(3)

You obviously think you know better than either of these two men who have devoted their professional careers to college athletics. Since I know you aren't capable of anything but strawman retorts, and certainly can't answer my original question, I won't waste my time responding to you further. If anyone else can logically present any sort of reason beyond nostalgia and and fan convenience for holding the tournament in Greensboro, I'd love to be enlightened, and I am sincere in that request.

Greensboro has been a loyal supporter of the ACC for years. Loyalty isn't to be ignored just because circumstances change. You might make alterations but you don't dump them.

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(03-13-2017 08:22 AM)XLance Wrote:  

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Attendance at the last tournament played in Greensboro (2015)

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2015_ACC_M...Tournament

6 out of the 7 sessions had 22,026 fans in attendance.

an article from last week from the Long Island daily....

http://www.newsday.com/sports/college/co...1.13217328

Quote:Resale ticket prices for the first ACC men’s basketball tournament to be held in Brooklyn are trending higher than those for recent tournaments more geographically in line with the conference’s traditional base.

According to TicketIQ.com, which tracks a variety of secondary market sites, the average asking price across the tournament was $185 as of Monday, up from $121 in Washington, D.C., last year and a range of $135 to $179 the previous three years in Greensboro, North Carolina.

Asking prices for Friday’s semifinals at Barclays Center were averaging $354, with a low of $88, and for Saturday’s final were averaging $256, with a low of $54.

There were extreme bargains for games earlier in the week, including Wednesday’s sessions, for which tickets can be had for under $10.

Asking prices for the Big East Tournament at Madison Square Garden were averaging $205, according to Ticket IQ.com, roughly in line with recent seasons.

Tickets for Wednesday’s session, which includes St. John’s, start at only $4 on the resale market.

What does price for people reselling their tickets have to do with the price of tea in China?

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(03-12-2017 06:13 AM)green Wrote:  

(03-12-2017 01:04 AM)WakeForestRanger Wrote:  I'm aware of that. The attendance in Florida for that tournament was embarrassingly awful. That is why it should never be played there again.

All 22,269 tickets were sold for each of the six sessions (11 games)
-- pressboxonline.com

document ...
or it didn't happen ...

FLO RIDA

http://www.gettyimages.com/event/mens-ba...id73709046

https://twitter.com/MiamiHurricanes/stat...3852412928

Swofford said that absent a HB2 repeal, the ACC is prepared to move the 2019 and ’20 tournaments, with a firm decision no later than the league’s annual meetings this May. The most likely destinations for 2019 and ’20 would be some combination of Washington, D.C., Atlanta and Tampa, Fla.
-- David Teel (dean of ACC beat writers)

playing keep away stunts the sport's discernible growth in the 3rd most populous state ...
in layman's terms ...
a proverbial middle finger to Miami & fsu ...

ROME WASN'T BUILT IN A DAY

(03-13-2017 10:29 AM)dawgitall Wrote:  Greensboro has been a loyal supporter of the ACC for years. Loyalty isn't to be ignored just because circumstances change. You might make alterations but you don't dump them.

nor should it be kowtowed to ...

IT'S BUSINESS NOT PERSONAL

(03-11-2017 09:52 PM)CrazyPaco Wrote:  there is more money in NYC than anywhere else because it is bigger than anywhere else and the financial capital of the continent. That's why any conference with a school near its footprint is trying to plant flags in it, trying to push media deal into it, which also means trying to increase awareness and interest in their brand there.

I think it’s important for the league going forward to continue to have some rotation that touches the entire footprint to some degree. And by that I’m talking about the southern part, the Mid-Atlantic and the northeast part, because we’re a league now that runs the entire Eastern Seaboard.

This has been our signature event for a long time. Our football championship game is becoming more and more a signature event, but that’s two teams, that’s two schools. This is everybody, and in order to be a true league, you’ve got to be fair to every segment of the league. And that’s also what builds fan bases throughout the footprint.
-- Commissioner John Swofford

how big is the atlantic ocean ...

CAN'T STEM THE TIDE

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(03-13-2017 01:09 AM)Lenvillecards Wrote:  This board was a lot better when someone was taking a break, when we didn't have all of these childish rants.

says the petulant sore loser Card fan. you can't handle anybody who says something you disagree with and you basically just disagree with everything I say because I said Lville was overrated last season in football. you take things so personally which is childish.

what is it you are so angry about now? I've said the tournament should move around some, and I've said I don't think simply playing the tournament in NYC helps recruiting or is needed for exposure for ACC. these are valid opinions, not controversial at all, yet you are stilll attacking me becaue you are irrational. I'm not opposed to them having the tournament in NYC from time to time, and that's only because we have some northern teams in our conference now and that makes some of the tournaments more convenient for them.

it is my understanding that the NY TImes barely even mentioned the ACC tournament.

i think it would have been better overall if Cuse, Pitt, BC, ND and Lville stayed in the Big East at least for basketball.

(03-12-2017 07:36 PM)XLance Wrote:  

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(03-12-2017 03:42 PM)jaminandjachin Wrote:  If it has to be outside of NC, I think DC is the best compromise. It's relatively in the middle and there's tons of stuff to do around the stadium.

You are absolutely correct. DC would be a good place to have the tournament maybe 20% of the time (max).

Wow, XLance, so you must be coming around to NYC for the other 80% (since Greensboro is still in NC which we are assuming in the first line is off limits)?

DC 20%
Atl 10%
NY 20%
Greensboro 50%

The best part of Atlanta is almost always leaving Atlanta. Split the ATL 10% between NYC and D.C., and we agree.

(03-13-2017 12:44 PM)ClemVegas Wrote:  

(03-13-2017 01:09 AM)Lenvillecards Wrote:  This board was a lot better when someone was taking a break, when we didn't have all of these childish rants.

says the petulant sore loser Card fan. you can't handle anybody who says something you disagree with and you basically just disagree with everything I say because I said Lville was overrated last season in football. you take things so personally which is childish.

what is it you are so angry about now? I've said the tournament should move around some, and I've said I don't think simply playing the tournament in NYC helps recruiting or is needed for exposure for ACC. these are valid opinions, not controversial at all, yet you are stilll attacking me becaue you are irrational. I'm not opposed to them having the tournament in NYC from time to time, and that's only because we have some northern teams in our conference now and that makes some of the tournaments more convenient for them.

it is my understanding that the NY TImes barely even mentioned the ACC tournament.

i think it would have been better overall if Cuse, Pitt, BC, ND and Lville stayed in the Big East at least for basketball.

Me too. Lets disband the conference, then.

Kill that ACC Network deal while you are at it.

Cut back on the ESPN money the other ACC schools are receiving since the conference expanded in 2011.

Who gets the NCAA basketball credits those teams earned in this community property partition following the divorce?

the basketball coaches in the former BIg East ACC schools clearly wish they were still in the big east. obviously football is the only reason the programs came to ACC. i think most Cuse fans miss playing the BIg east teams like Gtown and Uconn.

(03-13-2017 01:25 PM)ClemVegas Wrote:  the basketball coaches in the former BIg East ACC schools clearly wish they were still in the big east. obviously football is the only reason the programs came to ACC. i think most Cuse fans miss playing the BIg east teams like Gtown and Uconn.

Syracuse still plays Georgetown and UConn. In fact, Syracuse lost to both of them this season.

Did you know that?

ok. is this you finally showing up to provide evidence that you know more about basketball than me? lol i don't believe Cuse has been playing them every year since leaving the big east.

do you deny that the Cuse coach still wishes he was in the Big East? b/c the big east plays the tournament at MSG every year.

(03-13-2017 01:29 PM)ClemVegas Wrote:  ok. is this you finally showing up to provide evidence that you know more about basketball than me? lol

do you deny that the Cuse coach still wishes he was in the Big East?

are you the dude of wv ...

WISH IN ONE HAND, SPIT IN THE OTHER