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Largest school with no intercollegiate sports.
The University of Colorado Denver has an enrollment of 33,707. That is only 18 students less than CU Boulder. But the Lynx have no athletic department.
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Do they not even have intramurals?
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They do have some club sports and intramurals. There are 12 club teams. In addition to traditional sports such as basketball, soccer and hockey, they also have ultimate, taekwondo and badminton. The sports emphasis at the school is fitness and lifestyle recreation.
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According to Wikipedia, they do.
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(03-11-2017 12:15 PM)lew240z Wrote:  The University of Colorado Denver has an enrollment of 33,707. That is only 18 students less than CU Boulder. But the Lynx have no athletic department.

I attended UC-D for a year and Metro State for the rest of my undergraduate time. (They, along with the Community College of Denver) occupy a single campus just outside of downtown Denver.

You need to know something about the history of all three institutions, which stems from the 1960's... They were intended to form a singular unit; in theory, one could start at CCD and get their GED and Associate's level degree. They could then either proceed into the field or continue on with their Bachelor's level degree at Metro (MSC, then MSCD, and now MSU-D). CU was looking to get into the Denver market and was worried that the new Metro State would lock them out, so they agreed to open up UC-D, which was supposed to offer Masters and Doctoral studies. UC-D students were part of the University of Colorado system and could transfer with full credits up to the main Boulder campus. UC-D originally offered degrees that were more "Professionally Oriented"...MBA's, Psychology, etc...that professionals in Denver could take while working.

As time went on, Metro State impinged a little on CCD, offering more classes for non-traditional students. UC-D started offering undergrad courses (I studied EE there for a year...). Now Metro State is also a full "University," offering Graduate and post-grad studies. Metro State competes on the NCAA-Div 2 level, but by charter is prohibited from offering football. (They have won an NCAA D2 men's BB national championship, and when I was a student, they studied going D1...) It was never intended that UC-D would ever offer scholarship, varsity sports.

Over the years there have been various schemes to merge all three schools into a single institution. One name bantered about in the late 90's was "Denver State." But these have never gained traction...in particular, the UC Board of Regents...who really drive the Colorado State Higher Education Commission...have always opposed it because they would lose UC-D AND would have another major competitor to UC in one moment. Metro has something like 28.000 students, UC-D another 30k or so...including part-time, on-line, and graduate programs...so you'd have a pretty massive school right there. But also a key part of Metro's mission was to provide a track for students who would not otherwise have access to Higher Ed. either because of economic reasons, academic reasons, or other reasons. So to become yet another, residential, "typical" university just doesn't work there either...
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CU Denver only has 18k students, total.

And a significant portion of that is for the medical & health science research campus, which is like a UCSF: entirely devoted to graduate medical training and health science research, with no other components of a comprehensive university. This is a separate campus that is not really located in Denver.

The other part shares a campus with another university and a community college, and is well described in the previous post.
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(03-11-2017 12:34 PM)_C2_ Wrote:  According to Wikipedia, they do.


From the "Student Life" section of that Wikipedia article:
Quote:CU Denver provides a variety of sports and recreation activities to students, faculty and staff, including personal training, intramural basketball, volleyball, soccer, squash, and tennis, and sports equipment check out for on or off campus use.

CU Denver does not have intercollegiate athletics nor does it have an athletic department. The club teams and intramurals are under a student life department with the various fitness and recreation programs and facilities.
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BYU-Idaho? or University of Phoenix
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(03-11-2017 12:45 PM)lew240z Wrote:  
(03-11-2017 12:34 PM)_C2_ Wrote:  According to Wikipedia, they do.


From the "Student Life" section of that Wikipedia article:
Quote:CU Denver provides a variety of sports and recreation activities to students, faculty and staff, including personal training, intramural basketball, volleyball, soccer, squash, and tennis, and sports equipment check out for on or off campus use.

CU Denver does not have intercollegiate athletics nor does it have an athletic department. The club teams and intramurals are under a student life department with the various fitness and recreation programs and facilities.

Yeah, I was replying to the second guy.
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(03-11-2017 12:45 PM)MplsBison Wrote:  CU Denver only has 18k students, total.

And a significant portion of that is for the medical & health science research campus, which is like a UCSF: entirely devoted to graduate medical training and health science research, with no other components of a comprehensive university. This is a separate campus that is not really located in Denver.

The other part shares a campus with another university and a community college, and is well described in the previous post.

CU Denver reports enrollment by campus and not the total for the school. The Auraria Campus, near downtown, has an enrollment of 18,937, and the Anschutz Medical Campus, a few miles to the east, has an enrollment of 14,770. Total enrollment is 33,707. These numbers are as of the fall 2016 semester and are taken from the CU Denver website.
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If it's the school with the largest on-campus undergraduate enrollment (i.e., not counting online-only students) without varsity athletics, it might still be CU-Denver. As far as I can find, every U.S. college with at least 20,000 on-campus undergrads offers varsity sports.
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This says ~19k for CU Denver Anschutz:
http://www.ucdenver.edu/about-us/facts/P...fault.aspx

and ~15k for "the real" CU Denver:
http://www.ucdenver.edu/about/WhoWeAre/D..._facts.pdf

Thanks for the correction. The CUD Wikipedia pages just says 18k.


IMO the two campuses should be separate within the CU system. They carry out completely different missions and aren't located near each other.
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(03-11-2017 02:28 PM)MplsBison Wrote:  This says ~19k for CU Denver Anschutz:
http://www.ucdenver.edu/about-us/facts/P...fault.aspx

and ~15k for "the real" CU Denver:
http://www.ucdenver.edu/about/WhoWeAre/D..._facts.pdf

Thanks for the correction. The CUD Wikipedia pages just says 18k.


IMO the two campuses should be separate within the CU system. They carry out completely different missions and aren't located near each other.

Agreed on this one... I left Colorado over 20 years ago, but I thought the Anschutz Campus (formerly the old Fitzsimmons Army Hospital, I believe) was part of the CU-Health Sciences Center. Which is part of the University of Colorado Medical School, which has it's own admissions process and administration.

UC-D (yeah, yeah, I get that it's "CU" even though it's "University of Colorado", but the folks at "CU-Denver" always went by "UCD" (probably sounds better than "CUD") is part of the University of Colorado system, which is different than the Medical School, which is a separate entity.
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Texas A&M - San Antonio will be a large school without athletics here soon. Being that it is a new college, they are building the campus to around 25k. Currently, they are around 8k and growing fast.
Looking forward to seeing when they will add sports.
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(03-11-2017 12:15 PM)lew240z Wrote:  The University of Colorado Denver has an enrollment of 33,707. That is only 18 students less than CU Boulder. But the Lynx have no athletic department.

I attended UC-D for a year and Metro State for the rest of my undergraduate time. (They, along with the Community College of Denver) occupy a single campus just outside of downtown Denver.

You need to know something about the history of all three institutions, which stems from the 1960's... They were intended to form a singular unit; in theory, one could start at CCD and get their GED and Associate's level degree. They could then either proceed into the field or continue on with their Bachelor's level degree at Metro (MSC, then MSCD, and now MSU-D). CU was looking to get into the Denver market and was worried that the new Metro State would lock them out ...


Not doubting you at all, since you were there, but Boulder is right next to Denver. Practically on the outer interstate loop of the city now, but even in the 60's, it's not far away at all. How were they concerned about losing the Denver market? It's not like it's Colorado Springs or anything. Seems kinda silly.
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BYU Idaho lists 18,110
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(03-11-2017 03:13 PM)Pervis_Griffith Wrote:  
(03-11-2017 12:38 PM)BearcatJerry Wrote:  
(03-11-2017 12:15 PM)lew240z Wrote:  The University of Colorado Denver has an enrollment of 33,707. That is only 18 students less than CU Boulder. But the Lynx have no athletic department.

I attended UC-D for a year and Metro State for the rest of my undergraduate time. (They, along with the Community College of Denver) occupy a single campus just outside of downtown Denver.

You need to know something about the history of all three institutions, which stems from the 1960's... They were intended to form a singular unit; in theory, one could start at CCD and get their GED and Associate's level degree. They could then either proceed into the field or continue on with their Bachelor's level degree at Metro (MSC, then MSCD, and now MSU-D). CU was looking to get into the Denver market and was worried that the new Metro State would lock them out ...


Not doubting you at all, since you were there, but Boulder is right next to Denver. Practically on the outer interstate loop of the city now, but even in the 60's, it's not far away at all. How were they concerned about losing the Denver market? It's not like it's Colorado Springs or anything. Seems kinda silly.

Historically, Boulder has always been it's own little place. "In the old days," there was actually a fair bit of distance between Denver and Boulder. Add in the fact that Boulder was principally a "University Town," there was a whole lot of cultural differences between the two. Boulder was the place you "went away to" to go to school. Having a Denver Campus allowed the University of Colorado not just be "someplace you went to for four/six/eight years 'to get' your degree..." but also to get into the market for professionals who were looking to augment their undergraduate degrees from other institutions.

Nowadays, the Denver megalopolis stretches almost uninterrupted from Fort Collins in the North, down past Castle Rock (almost to Colorado Springs) in the South, and into the hills above Boulder, to beyond Golden (in the west) and then stretching out onto the plains on the east. My family moved to the (then) edge of Aurora in 1979, and Golden was still considered "outside" the city.

So...yeah...

Oh, and FWIW, the only major University in Denver, before the 60's, was the University of Denver, which was a smaller private (and very expensive) University. (There were a handful of smaller colleges including Loretto Heights, but they were tiny...) So, when UC-D and Metro State were formed, as Public colleges, it was a big deal for Denver. Up until that point, you needed to either "go away" for a state school (CU, C A&M...now CSU..., UNC, or a host of other smaller State Colleges around the state) or pay big $$$ for a private.
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MplsBison, I got my enrollment numbers here: http://www.ucdenver.edu/about-us/facts/P...fault.aspx The two campuses or only about 8.5 miles apart straight out Colfax Ave. Don't even have to make a turn.

There is a style guide somewhere in the CU Denver or CU System websites which states that the University of Colorado Denver should never be referred to as UC Denver, but only as CU Denver. But the school fails to follow that guide for its website. It also says that the school should never be called CUD but only UCD.
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(03-11-2017 05:04 PM)lew240z Wrote:  MplsBison, I got my enrollment numbers here: http://www.ucdenver.edu/about-us/facts/P...fault.aspx The two campuses or only about 8.5 miles apart straight out Colfax Ave. Don't even have to make a turn.

There is a style guide somewhere in the CU Denver or CU System websites which states that the University of Colorado Denver should never be referred to as UC Denver, but only as CU Denver. But the school fails to follow that guide for its website. It also says that the school should never be called CUD but only UCD.

I always thought it was a bit schizophrenic... I currently live in Morgantown, WV, home of WVU. When I first moved in, I said something about "The University of West Virginia" and was hastily corrected: West Virginia University...just like the letters say.

But in Colorado, it is "The University of Colorado" but it is NEVER called "UC." It is ALWAYS "CU." But the "system" has always been UC-D or UC-CS...just like the letters say: "The University of Colorado at Denver" or "The University of Colorado-Colorado Springs." I understand why they want "CU-Denver" but not "CU-D," but the proper institutional name is "The University of Colorado at Denver" hence the shorthand: UC-D. (Or without the hyphen... Whatever.)

Oh, and you never refer to "CU-Boulder." THE University of Colorado IS the Boulder campus...so just CU when referring to the Principal campus. But UCD students are members of the University of Colorado system and used to be (I would think still are) entitled to cross register at the various campuses and faculties as space and qualifications allow.
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NYU is huge, and the guy working the book store wasn't sure if they fielded team when I visited back in the day.

I'm not sure if that was true - is true, but it might be.
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