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RE: Largest school with no intercollegiate sports.
(03-11-2017 07:34 PM)nzmorange Wrote:  
(03-11-2017 06:38 PM)lew240z Wrote:  
(03-11-2017 06:25 PM)nzmorange Wrote:  NYU is huge, and the guy working the book store wasn't sure if they fielded team when I visited back in the day.

I'm not sure if that was true - is true, but it might be.

NYU dropped football in1953 and basketball in 1971. The remaining sports with the exception of fencing were moved from D1 to D3 in 1981. Basketball was resumed as a D3 sport in 1983.

Here is an interesting historic fact:

Quote:In the 1940 season, before a football game between NYU and Missouri in Columbia, Missouri, 2,000 NYU students protested against the "gentlemen's agreement" to exclude African-American athletes (at the University of Missouri's request). At the time, it was the largest protest ever against this practice.

Good on them.

I generally like NYU, but now I like them more than I did.

Since 1986, NYU has been in the University Athletic Association. Otherwise known as the Egghead Eight (formerly known as the Nerdy Nine before Johns Hopkins left in 2001)

UAA Members
Brandeis
Carnegie Mellon
Case Western
Chicago
Emory
NYU
Rochester
Washington U (St. Louis)

Only 4 schools play football, and as a result all 4 schools have an odd arrangement where they are technically in 2 football conferences. Case and Carnegie play in the UAA and the President's Athletic Conference. Chicago and WashU play in the UAA and the Midwest Conference.

All 8 schools play basketball. NYU finished last this year (2-12, 7-18 overall)

The conference has some competitive athletes. A friend of mine had a track scholarship from Wake Forest but chose Case for academic reasons. Case also had a QB that sniffed around at the NFL combine in 2010 hoping to get drafted.
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RE: Largest school with no intercollegiate sports.
Don't know about the other schools, but going to UChicago as a full-time undergrad is a 80-hr a week job, from what I understand.

No idea how those student-athletes make time to train & practice, as well.
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(03-14-2017 10:49 AM)Captain Bearcat Wrote:  
(03-11-2017 07:34 PM)nzmorange Wrote:  
(03-11-2017 06:38 PM)lew240z Wrote:  
(03-11-2017 06:25 PM)nzmorange Wrote:  NYU is huge, and the guy working the book store wasn't sure if they fielded team when I visited back in the day.

I'm not sure if that was true - is true, but it might be.

NYU dropped football in1953 and basketball in 1971. The remaining sports with the exception of fencing were moved from D1 to D3 in 1981. Basketball was resumed as a D3 sport in 1983.

Here is an interesting historic fact:

Quote:In the 1940 season, before a football game between NYU and Missouri in Columbia, Missouri, 2,000 NYU students protested against the "gentlemen's agreement" to exclude African-American athletes (at the University of Missouri's request). At the time, it was the largest protest ever against this practice.

Good on them.

I generally like NYU, but now I like them more than I did.

Since 1986, NYU has been in the University Athletic Association. Otherwise known as the Egghead Eight (formerly known as the Nerdy Nine before Johns Hopkins left in 2001)

UAA Members
Brandeis
Carnegie Mellon
Case Western
Chicago
Emory
NYU
Rochester
Washington U (St. Louis)

Only 4 schools play football, and as a result all 4 schools have an odd arrangement where they are technically in 2 football conferences. Case and Carnegie play in the UAA and the President's Athletic Conference. Chicago and WashU play in the UAA and the Midwest Conference.

All 8 schools play basketball. NYU finished last this year (2-12, 7-18 overall)

The conference has some competitive athletes. A friend of mine had a track scholarship from Wake Forest but chose Case for academic reasons. Case also had a QB that sniffed around at the NFL combine in 2010 hoping to get drafted.



Would be interesting to see all 8 go back to D1. They were considered major schools like in the Big 10 back in the old days.
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(03-11-2017 07:15 PM)BearcatJerry Wrote:  And, just for the Minneapolis Bison guy, the "Of Denver" was added in the late 80's after "Metropolitan State College" in Minneapolis sued the Metropolitan State College that was in Denver over copyright. Seeing as the Denver school was the newer of the two, they lost and had to add the "Denver" to their title as a result.

We also got sued by Warner Brothers because our mascot (the Roadrunner) was...ah...similar...to their cartoon. And it really was...but we had to drop the cartoony version for a different rendition.

In 2011 or 2012 Metro tried to change the name again. This time to Denver State University. As you can guess, the University of Denver (DU, yes just like CU) threw a fit and the State Board of Education blocked the name change from occurring.
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(03-14-2017 10:52 AM)MplsBison Wrote:  Don't know about the other schools, but going to UChicago as a full-time undergrad is a 80-hr a week job, from what I understand.

No idea how those student-athletes make time to train & practice, as well.

The rest of the conference is in the same mold. The conference matches up quite well with the Ivies, although with less of a liberal arts focus and more of a focus on engineering and science (translation - the students have to work even harder than Ivy League students because they have real majors).
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But-but-but-but I thought the Ivies were clearly the best and brightest?
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(03-14-2017 06:06 PM)_C2_ Wrote:  But-but-but-but I thought the Ivies were clearly the best and brightest?

They are - in terms of money and prestige. But when it comes to output, they're roughly tied with the Big Ten and UAA (slightly ahead in some rankings, and slightly behind the Big Ten in any ranking where size plays a role).

Most of it is because Brown and Dartmouth aren't truly elite schools. And Princeton is relatively small and very specialized - it doesn't have a medical school, a law school, or a business school. So those schools drag down the conference averages in a lot of rankings.
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(03-14-2017 11:00 AM)DavidSt Wrote:  
(03-14-2017 10:49 AM)Captain Bearcat Wrote:  
(03-11-2017 07:34 PM)nzmorange Wrote:  
(03-11-2017 06:38 PM)lew240z Wrote:  
(03-11-2017 06:25 PM)nzmorange Wrote:  NYU is huge, and the guy working the book store wasn't sure if they fielded team when I visited back in the day.

I'm not sure if that was true - is true, but it might be.

NYU dropped football in1953 and basketball in 1971. The remaining sports with the exception of fencing were moved from D1 to D3 in 1981. Basketball was resumed as a D3 sport in 1983.

Here is an interesting historic fact:

Quote:In the 1940 season, before a football game between NYU and Missouri in Columbia, Missouri, 2,000 NYU students protested against the "gentlemen's agreement" to exclude African-American athletes (at the University of Missouri's request). At the time, it was the largest protest ever against this practice.

Good on them.

I generally like NYU, but now I like them more than I did.

Since 1986, NYU has been in the University Athletic Association. Otherwise known as the Egghead Eight (formerly known as the Nerdy Nine before Johns Hopkins left in 2001)

UAA Members
Brandeis
Carnegie Mellon
Case Western
Chicago
Emory
NYU
Rochester
Washington U (St. Louis)

Only 4 schools play football, and as a result all 4 schools have an odd arrangement where they are technically in 2 football conferences. Case and Carnegie play in the UAA and the President's Athletic Conference. Chicago and WashU play in the UAA and the Midwest Conference.

All 8 schools play basketball. NYU finished last this year (2-12, 7-18 overall)

The conference has some competitive athletes. A friend of mine had a track scholarship from Wake Forest but chose Case for academic reasons. Case also had a QB that sniffed around at the NFL combine in 2010 hoping to get drafted.

Would be interesting to see all 8 go back to D1. They were considered major schools like in the Big 10 back in the old days.

I went to grad school at one of these schools. They have plenty of money to do so. Here are the endowments

Wash U in St Louis - 6.9 Billion
Emory - 6.7 Billion
U of Chicago - 6.6 Billion
NYU - 3.5 Billion
U of Rochester - 2.1 Billion
Case Western - 1.7 Billion
Carnegie Mellon - 1.7 Billion
Brandeis - 800 Million

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I think that the bigger issue is that the schools have no issue with visibilty without D1. Schools lose money on D1 because either their alumni or their potential students demand it. Or they need the greater visibility of D1 to get their schools PR.
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I was going to say Cal State-Los Angeles with over 27k students but after a quick Google search, they do have sports and their mascot is the Golden Eagles. They're not that far from USC (in distance, traffic wise they might be an hour away) and they play Div II in the CCAA. As an Angeleno, I knew about the existence of Cal State LA but I never heard of their teams. I knew the other Cal States in the area like Long Beach and Fullerton were known for baseball and CSUN or Northridge was near where I grew up but had no idea of the LA campus sponsoring any scholarship level sports.
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Cal. State-Los Angeles is listed as a former member of the Big West, but it was not that name at the time. It was made up of schools that are now part of BWC, MWC and WCC.
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(03-11-2017 12:47 PM)bluesox Wrote:  BYU-Idaho? or University of Phoenix

Obviously the University of Phoenix plans to start a major football program soon, otherwise why else would they have built that giant stadium?

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(03-14-2017 07:43 PM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  
(03-14-2017 11:00 AM)DavidSt Wrote:  
(03-14-2017 10:49 AM)Captain Bearcat Wrote:  
(03-11-2017 07:34 PM)nzmorange Wrote:  
(03-11-2017 06:38 PM)lew240z Wrote:  NYU dropped football in1953 and basketball in 1971. The remaining sports with the exception of fencing were moved from D1 to D3 in 1981. Basketball was resumed as a D3 sport in 1983.

Here is an interesting historic fact:

Good on them.

I generally like NYU, but now I like them more than I did.

Since 1986, NYU has been in the University Athletic Association. Otherwise known as the Egghead Eight (formerly known as the Nerdy Nine before Johns Hopkins left in 2001)

UAA Members
Brandeis
Carnegie Mellon
Case Western
Chicago
Emory
NYU
Rochester
Washington U (St. Louis)

Only 4 schools play football, and as a result all 4 schools have an odd arrangement where they are technically in 2 football conferences. Case and Carnegie play in the UAA and the President's Athletic Conference. Chicago and WashU play in the UAA and the Midwest Conference.

All 8 schools play basketball. NYU finished last this year (2-12, 7-18 overall)

The conference has some competitive athletes. A friend of mine had a track scholarship from Wake Forest but chose Case for academic reasons. Case also had a QB that sniffed around at the NFL combine in 2010 hoping to get drafted.

Would be interesting to see all 8 go back to D1. They were considered major schools like in the Big 10 back in the old days.

I went to grad school at one of these schools. They have plenty of money to do so. Here are the endowments

Wash U in St Louis - 6.9 Billion
Emory - 6.7 Billion
U of Chicago - 6.6 Billion
NYU - 3.5 Billion
U of Rochester - 2.1 Billion
Case Western - 1.7 Billion
Carnegie Mellon - 1.7 Billion
Brandeis - 800 Million

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I think that the bigger issue is that the schools have no issue with visibilty without D1. Schools lose money on D1 because either their alumni or their potential students demand it. Or they need the greater visibility of D1 to get their schools PR.

Many of them used to be D-1. Chicago was Big 10, WashU was Big 8, Case and Western Reserve were both football powerhouses. But they decided that D1 sports was a waste of resources. They're good enough academically that they get enough PR for their academics alone.

But the problem isn't visibility - it's school pride. I went to Case Western and there's very little school spirit there. As a result, few new alums donate to the school.

D1 would be a very long-term investment, but I think it would pay off. But it won't happen for two reasons - first most UAA schools are landlocked and have extremely expensive real estate around them (especially NYU). Second, many of them (especially Case and Rochester) face big long-term budget problems because their cities are declining and their endowments haven't grown nearly as fast as their peers over the past three decades.
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