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RE: Who's going to the V8GAS 16 with me??
(03-13-2017 03:48 PM)monarx Wrote:  
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(03-13-2017 01:01 PM)mturn017 Wrote:  I'm not sure the "continuity" rules for a conference still apply. Here's a whole conversation about it but I don't know if anything was decided definitely. The rules were changed for the WAC in 2011 or so. What they say now? I don't know. Also, the CFP contracts would only apply to the conferences in existence at the time so if we form a new conference we'd be out of any money coming from it.

http://csnbbs.com/thread-768543.html

And the CFP money will be what keeps us in CUSA until The American life boat comes.

No reason why the NCAA couldn't approve another conference in the CFP money. They make up, change up and ignore rules all the time. Look at half the MAC schools attendance figures, Look at Liberty, Look at UNC's cheating scandals, Baylor and SMU. If we can convince the NCAA to let us start a new conference the extra money to them will be minuscule as a G5(6?) conference. The other thing we could do is simply split it, taking our portion, and leaving the other half with the others. The bigger fight might be internally with who gets the bowl bids and the basketball autobid. Though that conference may actually get at-larges. Somehow both the American and Big East have auto bids, so there must be a way.

The CFP is separate from the NCAA. It is run by the ten 1-A conferences (OK really the P5). In theory, they could say sure we will add another conference and have a G6 but the likelihood of that happening is slim. I could see the P5 holding out for more votes or some kind of veto power. The financial impact is somewhat minimal to the G5/G6 conferences. A drop of $2.78 million per conference based off the 20016-17 payouts.

The basketball tournament bid should take care of itself in two more years once you have enough teams playing together long enough. Of course, the P5 schools and ESPN talking heads will scream about watering down the tournament with fewer bids for the blue bloods.

Ive got to believe people would rather see a scrappy 2nd place team from the A10, MVC, CUSA, CAA etc than a Vanderbilt or something. I don't know how fans of those teams even take it seriously. Its like a participation trophy for simply being blessed to be in a P5 conference. I'll be the first to admit ODU didn't deserve to be in this year with a third place finish and 19 wins, I don't see why P5 fans don't feel the same way. I wish the NCAA would institute a rule that says you must finish above .500 in your conference to go to the dance. Plain and simple. That doesn't seem like too much to ask. Stuff like that is whats watering down the tourney.

Agree. We've seen how Kansas State, USC, Providence, etc match up against other tournament teams. A lot of people won't tune into the first 4 games this year. If you took away K-State and USC and invite Illinois State and, say Colorado State, Monmouth, or Charleston instead, a lot more would tune in to see how they match up and root for the little guy that had a great season over the power conference team that didn't get it done. Can anyone at USC or K-State honestly say they had a good season?

You are absolutely right, it is a participation trophy for not sucking quite as bad as Oregon State and Texas Tech.

I leave Wake out because they were so bad for so long, they actually did have a good season in a much tougher league and I am ok with rewarding them.
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RE: Who's going to the V8GAS 16 with me??
(03-13-2017 03:48 PM)monarx Wrote:  
(03-13-2017 03:33 PM)ODU2K1 Wrote:  
(03-13-2017 02:27 PM)monarx Wrote:  
(03-13-2017 01:50 PM)ODU2K1 Wrote:  
(03-13-2017 01:01 PM)mturn017 Wrote:  I'm not sure the "continuity" rules for a conference still apply. Here's a whole conversation about it but I don't know if anything was decided definitely. The rules were changed for the WAC in 2011 or so. What they say now? I don't know. Also, the CFP contracts would only apply to the conferences in existence at the time so if we form a new conference we'd be out of any money coming from it.

http://csnbbs.com/thread-768543.html

And the CFP money will be what keeps us in CUSA until The American life boat comes.

No reason why the NCAA couldn't approve another conference in the CFP money. They make up, change up and ignore rules all the time. Look at half the MAC schools attendance figures, Look at Liberty, Look at UNC's cheating scandals, Baylor and SMU. If we can convince the NCAA to let us start a new conference the extra money to them will be minuscule as a G5(6?) conference. The other thing we could do is simply split it, taking our portion, and leaving the other half with the others. The bigger fight might be internally with who gets the bowl bids and the basketball autobid. Though that conference may actually get at-larges. Somehow both the American and Big East have auto bids, so there must be a way.

The CFP is separate from the NCAA. It is run by the ten 1-A conferences (OK really the P5). In theory, they could say sure we will add another conference and have a G6 but the likelihood of that happening is slim. I could see the P5 holding out for more votes or some kind of veto power. The financial impact is somewhat minimal to the G5/G6 conferences. A drop of $2.78 million per conference based off the 20016-17 payouts.

The basketball tournament bid should take care of itself in two more years once you have enough teams playing together long enough. Of course, the P5 schools and ESPN talking heads will scream about watering down the tournament with fewer bids for the blue bloods.

Ive got to believe people would rather see a scrappy 2nd place team from the A10, MVC, CUSA, CAA etc than a Vanderbilt or something. I don't know how fans of those teams even take it seriously. Its like a participation trophy for simply being blessed to be in a P5 conference. I'll be the first to admit ODU didn't deserve to be in this year with a third place finish and 19 wins, I don't see why P5 fans don't feel the same way. I wish the NCAA would institute a rule that says you must finish above .500 in your conference to go to the dance. Plain and simple. That doesn't seem like too much to ask. Stuff like that is whats watering down the tourney.

I would rather have the top 68 teams; though that isn't always the case.
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RE: Who's going to the V8GAS 16 with me??
(03-13-2017 04:02 PM)EverRespect Wrote:  
(03-13-2017 03:48 PM)monarx Wrote:  
(03-13-2017 03:33 PM)ODU2K1 Wrote:  
(03-13-2017 02:27 PM)monarx Wrote:  
(03-13-2017 01:50 PM)ODU2K1 Wrote:  And the CFP money will be what keeps us in CUSA until The American life boat comes.

No reason why the NCAA couldn't approve another conference in the CFP money. They make up, change up and ignore rules all the time. Look at half the MAC schools attendance figures, Look at Liberty, Look at UNC's cheating scandals, Baylor and SMU. If we can convince the NCAA to let us start a new conference the extra money to them will be minuscule as a G5(6?) conference. The other thing we could do is simply split it, taking our portion, and leaving the other half with the others. The bigger fight might be internally with who gets the bowl bids and the basketball autobid. Though that conference may actually get at-larges. Somehow both the American and Big East have auto bids, so there must be a way.

The CFP is separate from the NCAA. It is run by the ten 1-A conferences (OK really the P5). In theory, they could say sure we will add another conference and have a G6 but the likelihood of that happening is slim. I could see the P5 holding out for more votes or some kind of veto power. The financial impact is somewhat minimal to the G5/G6 conferences. A drop of $2.78 million per conference based off the 20016-17 payouts.

The basketball tournament bid should take care of itself in two more years once you have enough teams playing together long enough. Of course, the P5 schools and ESPN talking heads will scream about watering down the tournament with fewer bids for the blue bloods.

Ive got to believe people would rather see a scrappy 2nd place team from the A10, MVC, CUSA, CAA etc than a Vanderbilt or something. I don't know how fans of those teams even take it seriously. Its like a participation trophy for simply being blessed to be in a P5 conference. I'll be the first to admit ODU didn't deserve to be in this year with a third place finish and 19 wins, I don't see why P5 fans don't feel the same way. I wish the NCAA would institute a rule that says you must finish above .500 in your conference to go to the dance. Plain and simple. That doesn't seem like too much to ask. Stuff like that is whats watering down the tourney.

Agree. We've seen how Kansas State, USC, Providence, etc match up against other tournament teams. A lot of people won't tune into the first 4 games this year. If you took away K-State and USC and invite Illinois State and, say Colorado State, Monmouth, or Charleston instead, a lot more would tune in to see how they match up and root for the little guy that had a great season over the power conference team that didn't get it done. Can anyone at USC or K-State honestly say they had a good season?

You are absolutely right, it is a participation trophy for not sucking quite as bad as Oregon State and Texas Tech.

I leave Wake out because they were so bad for so long, they actually did have a good season in a much tougher league and I am ok with rewarding them.

A few casual fans may like the mid major upset talk, but there won't be more people watching Colorado State than would watch Kansas State, for example. Can Colorado State say they had a good season?
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RE: Who's going to the V8GAS 16 with me??
(03-13-2017 04:18 PM)Gilesfan Wrote:  
(03-13-2017 04:02 PM)EverRespect Wrote:  
(03-13-2017 03:48 PM)monarx Wrote:  
(03-13-2017 03:33 PM)ODU2K1 Wrote:  
(03-13-2017 02:27 PM)monarx Wrote:  No reason why the NCAA couldn't approve another conference in the CFP money. They make up, change up and ignore rules all the time. Look at half the MAC schools attendance figures, Look at Liberty, Look at UNC's cheating scandals, Baylor and SMU. If we can convince the NCAA to let us start a new conference the extra money to them will be minuscule as a G5(6?) conference. The other thing we could do is simply split it, taking our portion, and leaving the other half with the others. The bigger fight might be internally with who gets the bowl bids and the basketball autobid. Though that conference may actually get at-larges. Somehow both the American and Big East have auto bids, so there must be a way.

The CFP is separate from the NCAA. It is run by the ten 1-A conferences (OK really the P5). In theory, they could say sure we will add another conference and have a G6 but the likelihood of that happening is slim. I could see the P5 holding out for more votes or some kind of veto power. The financial impact is somewhat minimal to the G5/G6 conferences. A drop of $2.78 million per conference based off the 20016-17 payouts.

The basketball tournament bid should take care of itself in two more years once you have enough teams playing together long enough. Of course, the P5 schools and ESPN talking heads will scream about watering down the tournament with fewer bids for the blue bloods.

Ive got to believe people would rather see a scrappy 2nd place team from the A10, MVC, CUSA, CAA etc than a Vanderbilt or something. I don't know how fans of those teams even take it seriously. Its like a participation trophy for simply being blessed to be in a P5 conference. I'll be the first to admit ODU didn't deserve to be in this year with a third place finish and 19 wins, I don't see why P5 fans don't feel the same way. I wish the NCAA would institute a rule that says you must finish above .500 in your conference to go to the dance. Plain and simple. That doesn't seem like too much to ask. Stuff like that is whats watering down the tourney.

Agree. We've seen how Kansas State, USC, Providence, etc match up against other tournament teams. A lot of people won't tune into the first 4 games this year. If you took away K-State and USC and invite Illinois State and, say Colorado State, Monmouth, or Charleston instead, a lot more would tune in to see how they match up and root for the little guy that had a great season over the power conference team that didn't get it done. Can anyone at USC or K-State honestly say they had a good season?

You are absolutely right, it is a participation trophy for not sucking quite as bad as Oregon State and Texas Tech.

I leave Wake out because they were so bad for so long, they actually did have a good season in a much tougher league and I am ok with rewarding them.

A few casual fans may like the mid major upset talk, but there won't be more people watching Colorado State than would watch Kansas State, for example. Can Colorado State say they had a good season?
2nd place in conference runner up in the tournament. They had a better season than many that got in.

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RE: Who's going to the V8GAS 16 with me??
(03-13-2017 05:17 PM)EverRespect Wrote:  
(03-13-2017 04:18 PM)Gilesfan Wrote:  
(03-13-2017 04:02 PM)EverRespect Wrote:  
(03-13-2017 03:48 PM)monarx Wrote:  
(03-13-2017 03:33 PM)ODU2K1 Wrote:  The CFP is separate from the NCAA. It is run by the ten 1-A conferences (OK really the P5). In theory, they could say sure we will add another conference and have a G6 but the likelihood of that happening is slim. I could see the P5 holding out for more votes or some kind of veto power. The financial impact is somewhat minimal to the G5/G6 conferences. A drop of $2.78 million per conference based off the 20016-17 payouts.

The basketball tournament bid should take care of itself in two more years once you have enough teams playing together long enough. Of course, the P5 schools and ESPN talking heads will scream about watering down the tournament with fewer bids for the blue bloods.

Ive got to believe people would rather see a scrappy 2nd place team from the A10, MVC, CUSA, CAA etc than a Vanderbilt or something. I don't know how fans of those teams even take it seriously. Its like a participation trophy for simply being blessed to be in a P5 conference. I'll be the first to admit ODU didn't deserve to be in this year with a third place finish and 19 wins, I don't see why P5 fans don't feel the same way. I wish the NCAA would institute a rule that says you must finish above .500 in your conference to go to the dance. Plain and simple. That doesn't seem like too much to ask. Stuff like that is whats watering down the tourney.

Agree. We've seen how Kansas State, USC, Providence, etc match up against other tournament teams. A lot of people won't tune into the first 4 games this year. If you took away K-State and USC and invite Illinois State and, say Colorado State, Monmouth, or Charleston instead, a lot more would tune in to see how they match up and root for the little guy that had a great season over the power conference team that didn't get it done. Can anyone at USC or K-State honestly say they had a good season?

You are absolutely right, it is a participation trophy for not sucking quite as bad as Oregon State and Texas Tech.

I leave Wake out because they were so bad for so long, they actually did have a good season in a much tougher league and I am ok with rewarding them.

A few casual fans may like the mid major upset talk, but there won't be more people watching Colorado State than would watch Kansas State, for example. Can Colorado State say they had a good season?
2nd place in conference runner up in the tournament. They had a better season than many that got in.

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I dont agree with that.
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RE: Who's going to the V8GAS 16 with me??
(03-13-2017 07:19 PM)Gilesfan Wrote:  
(03-13-2017 05:17 PM)EverRespect Wrote:  
(03-13-2017 04:18 PM)Gilesfan Wrote:  
(03-13-2017 04:02 PM)EverRespect Wrote:  
(03-13-2017 03:48 PM)monarx Wrote:  Ive got to believe people would rather see a scrappy 2nd place team from the A10, MVC, CUSA, CAA etc than a Vanderbilt or something. I don't know how fans of those teams even take it seriously. Its like a participation trophy for simply being blessed to be in a P5 conference. I'll be the first to admit ODU didn't deserve to be in this year with a third place finish and 19 wins, I don't see why P5 fans don't feel the same way. I wish the NCAA would institute a rule that says you must finish above .500 in your conference to go to the dance. Plain and simple. That doesn't seem like too much to ask. Stuff like that is whats watering down the tourney.

Agree. We've seen how Kansas State, USC, Providence, etc match up against other tournament teams. A lot of people won't tune into the first 4 games this year. If you took away K-State and USC and invite Illinois State and, say Colorado State, Monmouth, or Charleston instead, a lot more would tune in to see how they match up and root for the little guy that had a great season over the power conference team that didn't get it done. Can anyone at USC or K-State honestly say they had a good season?

You are absolutely right, it is a participation trophy for not sucking quite as bad as Oregon State and Texas Tech.

I leave Wake out because they were so bad for so long, they actually did have a good season in a much tougher league and I am ok with rewarding them.

A few casual fans may like the mid major upset talk, but there won't be more people watching Colorado State than would watch Kansas State, for example. Can Colorado State say they had a good season?
2nd place in conference runner up in the tournament. They had a better season than many that got in.

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I dont agree with that.
Fair enough. Good discussion.

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