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(03-10-2017 12:21 AM)PhillyFlorz Wrote:  I've been following ODU basketball since the mid-1970's. Losses, like the one tonight, devastate me as much as anyone. But who is the great messiah who is going to take us to heights we haven't seen before? In the four decades I have watched ODU hoops I think we've been ranked in the Top 20 only once. Once. Think about it. Have we ever recruited a 4-5 star player since the Paul Webb days? Someone mentioned we need to return to relevance. What relevance? Getting on SportsCenter when Billy Mann beats DePaul at the buzzer? This isn't about Jones. It's about the way we talk here. As if we are the Gonzaga of the east and we've suddenly lost our way. Our claim to fame is occasionally winning our first round NCAA Tournament game and then flaming out in the second. That is relevancy? I don't give a rats ass if Jones is fired. Someone tell me why (and it sickens me to bring this up) a VCU or Mason can go to the Final Four and in four decades we haven't even come close to such heights. Yes, I am pissed about tonight and venting...

Good post Philly
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(03-10-2017 12:43 AM)PhillyFlorz Wrote:  Razor, I say this respectfully, but my point is: other than having a nice home arena, what leads anyone to think we should be progressing? What are we building on? The fact the Ted is great and we earn an NCAA invite every five years? We are no better today than when we were a 'commuter school' back in the 70's (when I was a student there). Hell, I believe our best team was the Valentine/West/McAdoo team some 40 years ago when we played at Scope. Tell me why, in four decades, not once have we recruited a player who truly got the fan base excited? It pains me to say this, but regardless of Jones, Taylor, Capel, Purnell, Young, or anyone else, maybe we need a reality check? We didn't dominate the Sun Belt. Didn't dominate the CAA. And we should as hell aren't dominating CUSA. Yet, we talk as if we had. That said, I agree with you. We need a coach who gets this program moving in the right direction, otherwise there is a fine line between relevancy and irrelevancy.

Yet another great rational post Philly, green for you.
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(03-10-2017 12:58 AM)Dawgxas Wrote:  
(03-10-2017 12:21 AM)PhillyFlorz Wrote:  I've been following ODU basketball since the mid-1970's. Losses, like the one tonight, devastate me as much as anyone. But who is the great messiah who is going to take us to heights we haven't seen before? In the four decades I have watched ODU hoops I think we've been ranked in the Top 20 only once. Once. Think about it. Have we ever recruited a 4-5 star player since the Paul Webb days? Someone mentioned we need to return to relevance. What relevance? Getting on SportsCenter when Billy Mann beats DePaul at the buzzer? This isn't about Jones. It's about the way we talk here. As if we are the Gonzaga of the east and we've suddenly lost our way. Our claim to fame is occasionally winning our first round NCAA Tournament game and then flaming out in the second. That is relevancy? I don't give a rats ass if Jones is fired. Someone tell me why (and it sickens me to bring this up) a VCU or Mason can go to the Final Four and in four decades we haven't even come close to such heights. Yes, I am pissed about tonight and venting...

Good post Philly

Meanwhile LA Tech hasn't been relevant since Karl Malone left.
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(03-10-2017 12:59 AM)Dawgxas Wrote:  
(03-10-2017 12:43 AM)PhillyFlorz Wrote:  Razor, I say this respectfully, but my point is: other than having a nice home arena, what leads anyone to think we should be progressing? What are we building on? The fact the Ted is great and we earn an NCAA invite every five years? We are no better today than when we were a 'commuter school' back in the 70's (when I was a student there). Hell, I believe our best team was the Valentine/West/McAdoo team some 40 years ago when we played at Scope. Tell me why, in four decades, not once have we recruited a player who truly got the fan base excited? It pains me to say this, but regardless of Jones, Taylor, Capel, Purnell, Young, or anyone else, maybe we need a reality check? We didn't dominate the Sun Belt. Didn't dominate the CAA. And we should as hell aren't dominating CUSA. Yet, we talk as if we had. That said, I agree with you. We need a coach who gets this program moving in the right direction, otherwise there is a fine line between relevancy and irrelevancy.

Yet another great rational post Philly, green for you.

You should probably start to worry when this human duncecap begins to agree with you..........just saying.
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Immaterial of what this douchebag Dawg ass guy agrees to or approves. We had our significant share of championships, 8 and atleast some level of success in the Dance back in the CAA days. Where we are heading doesn't seem right to me. If Wood Selig can't get his head out of his ass and see this then we have to pull it out for him.
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(03-09-2017 11:44 PM)ODUBB35 Wrote:  Yep. Or else we owe Jeff Capel Sr. an apology.

Why would we owe the father of ODU's former coach an apology?

Jeff Capel Jr coached at ODU.

Jeff Capel III is an assistant coach and former player for Duke.

Additionally, Jeff Capel Jr had 2 losing seasons his final 2 years at ODU. And left the program with almost no talent. If I remember correctly, ODU had never had 2 straight losing records since moving to D1 prior to that. So please explain why we would owe him an apology.
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(03-10-2017 12:21 AM)PhillyFlorz Wrote:  I've been following ODU basketball since the mid-1970's. Losses, like the one tonight, devastate me as much as anyone. But who is the great messiah who is going to take us to heights we haven't seen before?

How about a return to familiar territory, like a top 50 rpi and an NCAA bid?

Or at the very least, the ability to beat W&M and Marshall on a regular basis?
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(03-10-2017 03:12 AM)ODU True Blue Wrote:  
(03-09-2017 11:44 PM)ODUBB35 Wrote:  Yep. Or else we owe Jeff Capel Sr. an apology.

Why would we owe the father of ODU's former coach an apology?

Jeff Capel Jr coached at ODU.

Jeff Capel III is an assistant coach and former player for Duke.

Additionally, Jeff Capel Jr had 2 losing seasons his final 2 years at ODU. And left the program with almost no talent. If I remember correctly, ODU had never had 2 straight losing records since moving to D1 prior to that. So please explain why we would owe him an apology.

Aside from my ignorance of the Capel family tree, has ODU ever had a coach miss the NCAA's 5 straight years and kept his job?
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(03-10-2017 12:00 AM)ODUBB35 Wrote:  I wouldn't call it mediocrity. 75 to 100 RPI is mediocrity. We just plain suck.

Boom ! Right on point! He and this staff are not recruiting very well ! Next year is it....no NCAA then time for a change.
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I thought Bryant Stith would be a game changer in recruiting. Haven't seen it yet.
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(03-10-2017 07:14 AM)mac Wrote:  I thought Bryant Stith would be a game changer in recruiting. Haven't seen it yet.

Yep. I count 4 players on our current team that JJ recruited as freshmen. Not nearly enough.
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(03-10-2017 06:19 AM)ODUBB35 Wrote:  
(03-10-2017 03:12 AM)ODU True Blue Wrote:  [quote='ODUBB35' pid='14163625' dateline='1489121085']
Yep. Or else we owe Jeff Capel Sr. an apology.

Why would we owe the father of ODU's former coach an apology?

Jeff Capel Jr coached at ODU.

Jeff Capel III is an assistant coach and former player for Duke.

Additionally, Jeff Capel Jr had 2 losing seasons his final 2 years at ODU. And left the program with almost no talent. If I remember correctly, ODU had never had 2 straight losing records since moving to D1 prior to that. So please explain why we would owe him an apology.
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Aside from my ignorance of the Capel family tree, has ODU ever had a coach miss the NCAA's 5 straight years and kept his job?

So by your own timeline JJ has one more year, right? Because he has just completed his 4th season. I'm not defending JJ. I'm just checking in case your math is as bad as your genealogy.
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(03-10-2017 12:52 AM)Razor Ramon Monarch Wrote:  
(03-10-2017 12:43 AM)PhillyFlorz Wrote:  Razor, I say this respectfully, but my point is: other than having a nice home arena, what leads anyone to think we should be progressing? What are we building on? The fact the Ted is great and we earn an NCAA invite every five years? We are no better today than when we were a 'commuter school' back in the 70's (when I was a student there). Hell, I believe our best team was the Valentine/West/McAdoo team some 40 years ago when we played at Scope. Tell me why, in four decades, not once have we recruited a player who truly got the fan base excited? It pains me to say this, but regardless of Jones, Taylor, Capel, Purnell, Young, or anyone else, maybe we need a reality check? We didn't dominate the Sun Belt. Didn't dominate the CAA. And we should as hell aren't dominating CUSA. Yet, we talk as if we had. That said, I agree with you. We need a coach who gets this program moving in the right direction, otherwise there is a fine line between relevancy and irrelevancy.

We're not dominating because we haven't had a game changing coach, simple as that.

Jeff capel came from a small school to be our coach. Same with Blaine, same with Jeff.

We need to take a chance on a top assistant at a big time program like vcu and uncw both did in order to have it pay off and reach that "next level".

Playing it safe if why we are where we are.
Just to play devils advocate Jeff and Capel were both assistants at big-time programs before they became head coaches as well. Capel had immediate success at A&T.
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I'm all for moving on when a better coach is available. JJ has proven he cannot take us to the big dance.
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(03-10-2017 12:21 AM)PhillyFlorz Wrote:  I've been following ODU basketball since the mid-1970's. Losses, like the one tonight, devastate me as much as anyone. But who is the great messiah who is going to take us to heights we haven't seen before? In the four decades I have watched ODU hoops I think we've been ranked in the Top 20 only once. Once. Think about it. Have we ever recruited a 4-5 star player since the Paul Webb days? Someone mentioned we need to return to relevance. What relevance? Getting on SportsCenter when Billy Mann beats DePaul at the buzzer? This isn't about Jones. It's about the way we talk here. As if we are the Gonzaga of the east and we've suddenly lost our way. Our claim to fame is occasionally winning our first round NCAA Tournament game and then flaming out in the second. That is relevancy? I don't give a rats ass if Jones is fired. Someone tell me why (and it sickens me to bring this up) a VCU or Mason can go to the Final Four and in four decades we haven't even come close to such heights. Yes, I am pissed about tonight and venting...

It is all about confidence and Jones is either unwilling or unable to inspire it. With the exception of the OOC season 2 years ago when we went 11-1 with several good wins, Jones has choked in every big game we have played, unless you consider the Murray state game where Freeman hit the half-courter to get to MSG a big game, and we even blew a double digit lead under 4 minutes in that one. I think Jones knows his basketball Xs and Os as well as anyone and might make a good assistant, but leaders are able to build the kids up and get them in the game mentally. Jones is not a leader. We have had plenty of talent. We have seen what Brandan, Caver, and Talley can do when they are mentally with it and feeling confident. Heck, remember at the beginning of the year when it looked like Baker had improved and could be a double digit scorer? WTF happened to his focus?
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(03-10-2017 06:19 AM)ODUBB35 Wrote:  
(03-10-2017 03:12 AM)ODU True Blue Wrote:  [quote='ODUBB35' pid='14163625' dateline='1489121085']
Yep. Or else we owe Jeff Capel Sr. an apology.

Why would we owe the father of ODU's former coach an apology?

Jeff Capel Jr coached at ODU.

Jeff Capel III is an assistant coach and former player for Duke.

Additionally, Jeff Capel Jr had 2 losing seasons his final 2 years at ODU. And left the program with almost no talent. If I remember correctly, ODU had never had 2 straight losing records since moving to D1 prior to that. So please explain why we would owe him an apology.
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Aside from my ignorance of the Capel family tree, has ODU ever had a coach miss the NCAA's 5 straight years and kept his job?

So by your own timeline JJ has one more year, right? Because he has just completed his 4th seasn. I'm not defending JJ. I'm just checking in case your math is as bad as your genealogy.

That's what we've been saying. If we aren't dancing next March, it time for a change, though we aren't holding our breath.
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(03-10-2017 12:21 AM)PhillyFlorz Wrote:  I've been following ODU basketball since the mid-1970's. Losses, like the one tonight, devastate me as much as anyone. But who is the great messiah who is going to take us to heights we haven't seen before? In the four decades I have watched ODU hoops I think we've been ranked in the Top 20 only once. Once. Think about it. Have we ever recruited a 4-5 star player since the Paul Webb days? Someone mentioned we need to return to relevance. What relevance? Getting on SportsCenter when Billy Mann beats DePaul at the buzzer? This isn't about Jones. It's about the way we talk here. As if we are the Gonzaga of the east and we've suddenly lost our way. Our claim to fame is occasionally winning our first round NCAA Tournament game and then flaming out in the second. That is relevancy? I don't give a rats ass if Jones is fired. Someone tell me why (and it sickens me to bring this up) a VCU or Mason can go to the Final Four and in four decades we haven't even come close to such heights. Yes, I am pissed about tonight and venting...

Our teams in 2005, 2006, 2010, and 2011 were all capable of making big tournament runs and other than 2006, a team that Blaine absolutely ruined, played Final Four teams down to the wire and a few bounces the other way and we could have caught the flash in the pan that VCU and GMU did. We regularly split the series with VCU and several times won 2 out of 3. We were a top 100 team every year, a top 50 team in a 4 out of 6 year stretch, and finished 2010 and 2011 in the top 25 (RPI not poll). I would be happy just to get back to there. VCU today is no better than those teams were, they are just in a more competitive conference. So yes, we have regressed bigly.
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(03-10-2017 12:56 AM)TheDancinMonarch Wrote:  I am in 100% agreement concerning the removal of both Selig and Jones. But what is said here is just so much blather. Unless ODAF contributions go down and ticket sales drop, nothing at will change. If we keep buying the crap they are selling then it is our fault!

Reality.
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Tickets have already dropped from the height of the Blaine Taylor era. Time was I used to have to buy tickets in advance if I wanted to drive down for a home game. Now if you want to buy one at the door, there is always some available.
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Razor...Remember when I posted something about his bad being really bad? Last night he was really bad.
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