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RE: Are there any recent examples of a team moving out of Division I.
(03-17-2017 12:23 AM)Fresno St. Alum Wrote:  So did Wake beat C of C in the D-II tourney or the D-I tourney in 1994?

C of C decided to become a member of DI, at the end of their provisional period. So that is a really poor example for you to pick.

There is no example you can ever come up with that will bypass the fact that WSSU decided not to become a member of DI at the end of its exploratory period.


(03-17-2017 09:35 AM)The Cutter of Bish Wrote:  Everything points to the WAC saying: "Finish out the contract. Nice knowing you. Good bye."

The WAC and Chicago State have a contract for contingent membership? I've never heard of that ... usually when you join a conference, you're in until you get kicked out, you leave voluntarily, or the conference dissolves.

What is the last school year of the contract? 2017-18 or 2018-19? If the former, I think they'll limp through it ... if the latter, yikes!


(03-17-2017 09:35 AM)The Cutter of Bish Wrote:  And, really, I think Chicago State and the conference are in deeper crap if CSU can't finish out its final year. Folks will go after both for damages, and then the WAC will go after CSU.

You mean because the WAC won't be able to supply enough TV games?? Just put more of the other members' games on TV, I doubt all of them are being distributed.

I really hope no one wastes time "going after" CSU. It's basically a deer that has had two legs sawed off. Nothing really to go after ...
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RE: Are there any recent examples of a team moving out of Division I.
(03-17-2017 12:31 PM)MplsBison Wrote:  
(03-17-2017 12:23 AM)Fresno St. Alum Wrote:  So did Wake beat C of C in the D-II tourney or the D-I tourney in 1994?

C of C decided to become a member of DI, at the end of their provisional period. So that is a really poor example for you to pick.

There is no example you can ever come up with that will bypass the fact that WSSU decided not to become a member of DI at the end of its exploratory period.


(03-17-2017 09:35 AM)The Cutter of Bish Wrote:  Everything points to the WAC saying: "Finish out the contract. Nice knowing you. Good bye."

The WAC and Chicago State have a contract for contingent membership? I've never heard of that ... usually when you join a conference, you're in until you get kicked out, you leave voluntarily, or the conference dissolves.

What is the last school year of the contract? 2017-18 or 2018-19? If the former, I think they'll limp through it ... if the latter, yikes!


(03-17-2017 09:35 AM)The Cutter of Bish Wrote:  And, really, I think Chicago State and the conference are in deeper crap if CSU can't finish out its final year. Folks will go after both for damages, and then the WAC will go after CSU.

You mean because the WAC won't be able to supply enough TV games?? Just put more of the other members' games on TV, I doubt all of them are being distributed.

I really hope no one wastes time "going after" CSU. It's basically a deer that has had two legs sawed off. Nothing really to go after ...
FACT: I'm right! You are wrong. Fact C of C went to the D-I tourney as a provisional member in 1994 is the nail in your coffin. Nothing poor except your excuses for answers. Answer all of the question i posed you and find a factual answer that isn't D-I. You can't I win you lose. I'll keep repeating this until you give up.
2007 D-I RPI. You have to be recognized by the NCAA as D-I to be in the D-I RPI. WSSU ranked 304. They're also in the D-I RPI since you know they were D-I in 2008,2009, 2010.
http://web1.ncaa.org/app_data/weeklyrpi/...Brpi1.html
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RE: Are there any recent examples of a team moving out of Division I.
As I said in another thread, unless something drastically changes, Wright State will likely have to cut athletics altogether in the next two years and there would be an opening in the Horizon League. Do you think they'll stay at nine or will someone end up joining?
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RE: Are there any recent examples of a team moving out of Division I.
(03-17-2017 12:31 PM)MplsBison Wrote:  The WAC and Chicago State have a contract for contingent membership? I've never heard of that ... usually when you join a conference, you're in until you get kicked out, you leave voluntarily, or the conference dissolves.

What is the last school year of the contract? 2017-18 or 2018-19? If the former, I think they'll limp through it ... if the latter, yikes!

It's like an amped up associate membership, just all sports instead of one or two sports I guess.

Apparently the WAC way back when gave UNLV a provisional membership invitation and didn't meet the criteria but unlike Chicago State wasn't playing a WAC schedule.
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RE: Are there any recent examples of a team moving out of Division I.
(03-18-2017 01:14 AM)dxdtdemon Wrote:  unless something drastically changes, Wright State will likely have to cut athletics altogether in the next two years

Whoa, really?? When did this happen? Any newspaper or otherwise articles on this?

Why would Cleveland St and/or Youngstown St be in any different boat?


In any case, I don't consider schools that drop athletics altogether as really leaving DI. But that's my person feeling, and I'm more flexible on that one.

In my definition, then, only Centenary and Birmingham Southern are modern examples where a school left DI (while maintaining varsity athletics).


(03-18-2017 02:08 AM)arkstfan Wrote:  It's like an amped up associate membership, just all sports instead of one or two sports I guess.

Not saying I don't believe it. Just have never heard of that.

Are there any links confirming this?
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RE: Are there any recent examples of a team moving out of Division I.
(03-17-2017 06:14 PM)Fresno St. Alum Wrote:  went to the D-I tourney as a provisional member

...

You have to be recognized by the NCAA as D-I to be in the D-I RPI.

These are the only two cards you've been playing, over and over and over ...

Neither of them prove what you claim they prove.

In fact, nothing can prove that a provisional team is a member of DI, because that's the entire point of being provisional.
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RE: Are there any recent examples of a team moving out of Division I.
(03-18-2017 10:23 AM)MplsBison Wrote:  
(03-17-2017 06:14 PM)Fresno St. Alum Wrote:  went to the D-I tourney as a provisional member

...

You have to be recognized by the NCAA as D-I to be in the D-I RPI.

These are the only two cards you've been playing, over and over and over ...

Neither of them prove what you claim they prove.

In fact, nothing can prove that a provisional team is a member of DI, because that's the entire point of being provisional.

Mpls: You've been arguing over the need for an asterisk for pages. Give it a rest.
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RE: Are there any recent examples of a team moving out of Division I.
(03-18-2017 10:23 AM)MplsBison Wrote:  
(03-17-2017 06:14 PM)Fresno St. Alum Wrote:  went to the D-I tourney as a provisional member

...

You have to be recognized by the NCAA as D-I to be in the D-I RPI.

These are the only two cards you've been playing, over and over and over ...

Neither of them prove what you claim they prove.

In fact, nothing can prove that a provisional team is a member of DI, because that's the entire point of being provisional.
RPI said D-I, NCAA said D-I, MEAC is D-I. C of C went to the D-I tournament in the exact same status as WSSU. You have no cards to play but won't learn you are beat so I'll continue beating you down until you stop responding to my posts.
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Just put mpl on ignore. That we he will argue with himself. The thread have been derailed.
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RE: Are there any recent examples of a team moving out of Division I.
(03-18-2017 10:20 AM)MplsBison Wrote:  
(03-18-2017 01:14 AM)dxdtdemon Wrote:  unless something drastically changes, Wright State will likely have to cut athletics altogether in the next two years

Whoa, really?? When did this happen? Any newspaper or otherwise articles on this?

Why would Cleveland St and/or Youngstown St be in any different boat?


In any case, I don't consider schools that drop athletics altogether as really leaving DI. But that's my person feeling, and I'm more flexible on that one.

In my definition, then, only Centenary and Birmingham Southern are modern examples where a school left DI (while maintaining varsity athletics).

Cleveland St. and Youngstown St. are not affected by this because this is a Wright State-specific thing, not a general Ohio thing. In 2015, it looked the the university was doing well financially having received more than their target goal in a capital campaign. Soon after the campaign was over, a whole bunch of corruption with current and former members of the board of trustees and other university administrators was exposed, and they paid millions of dollars in severance packages for some reason even though they should've just been arrested. The endowment has gone from ~$200 million to ~$80 million in a relatively short time and most of the agreements with other countries for international students have dried up which was a big source of cash for the university. The overall student body size is down 15% in the last four years, which also doesn't help. A lot of research grant money dried up because faulty data reporting led WSU to be a Tier III research university instead of the Tier II it had been. The residential students are rioting because the on-campus food places are now closing at 3PM as a result of the budget cuts and most restaurants near campus that used to accept the meal plan no longer do, while the athletes still get to eat their food whenever they want. I don't have the confidence that the new administration can manage to salvage what's left and bring the university closer to out of the hole, or see how they can get out of the hole without cutting athletics entirely.
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RE: Are there any recent examples of a team moving out of Division I.
(03-18-2017 05:43 PM)NoDak Wrote:  You've been arguing over the need for an asterisk for pages.

No no, if that were all it was, I wouldn't have bothered.

He's wrong to include a school that was never a member of DI. That's simply the fact of it.

(03-18-2017 05:43 PM)NoDak Wrote:  Give it a rest.

All he has to do is stop responding. It's on him.


(03-18-2017 07:14 PM)Fresno St. Alum Wrote:  RPI said D-I

Being including in RPI doesn't magically turn a provisional into an actual member of DI.

Otherwise, that would be spelled out in the transition rules.

(03-18-2017 07:14 PM)Fresno St. Alum Wrote:  NCAA said D-I,

NCAA said provisional, which isn't a member of DI.

(03-18-2017 07:14 PM)Fresno St. Alum Wrote:  MEAC is D-I.

Provisionals aren't barred from joining DI conferences. And joining a DI conference while still a provisional doesn't magically turn it into an actual member of DI.

Otherwise, that would be spelled out in the transition rules.

(03-18-2017 07:14 PM)Fresno St. Alum Wrote:  C of C went to the D-I tournament in the exact same status

Going to the tournament doesn't magically turn a provisional into an actual member of DI.

Otherwise, that would be spelled out in the transition rules.
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(03-19-2017 08:36 AM)dxdtdemon Wrote:  Soon after the campaign was over, a whole bunch of corruption with current and former members of the board of trustees and other university administrators was exposed, and they paid millions of dollars in severance packages for some reason even though they should've just been arrested. The endowment has gone from ~$200 million to ~$80 million in a relatively short time

WTH????!?

Arrest those jerks now! Is there an active criminal investigation? Any hope that they'll be arrested??
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RE: Are there any recent examples of a team moving out of Division I.
(03-19-2017 11:02 AM)MplsBison Wrote:  
(03-18-2017 05:43 PM)NoDak Wrote:  You've been arguing over the need for an asterisk for pages.

No no, if that were all it was, I wouldn't have bothered.

He's wrong to include a school that was never a member of DI. That's simply the fact of it.

(03-18-2017 05:43 PM)NoDak Wrote:  Give it a rest.

All he has to do is stop responding. It's on him.


(03-18-2017 07:14 PM)Fresno St. Alum Wrote:  RPI said D-I

Being including in RPI doesn't magically turn a provisional into an actual member of DI.

Otherwise, that would be spelled out in the transition rules.

(03-18-2017 07:14 PM)Fresno St. Alum Wrote:  NCAA said D-I,

NCAA said provisional, which isn't a member of DI.

(03-18-2017 07:14 PM)Fresno St. Alum Wrote:  MEAC is D-I.

Provisionals aren't barred from joining DI conferences. And joining a DI conference while still a provisional doesn't magically turn it into an actual member of DI.

Otherwise, that would be spelled out in the transition rules.

(03-18-2017 07:14 PM)Fresno St. Alum Wrote:  C of C went to the D-I tournament in the exact same status

Going to the tournament doesn't magically turn a provisional into an actual member of DI.

Otherwise, that would be spelled out in the transition rules.
Provisional member is part of D-I membership, so says the NCAA. YOU ARE WRONG LIKE ALWAYS! Just accept it. You'd have a lot less arguments on here since you are defending YOU being wrong ALL of the time. I'll go on forever until you die of old age as long as you keep responding.
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RE: Are there any recent examples of a team moving out of Division I.
(03-19-2017 02:45 PM)Fresno St. Alum Wrote:  Provisional member is part of D-I membership, so says the NCAA.

If that were true, then the NCAA wouldn't even have rules about provisionals. They'd just be DI members after the exploratory year.

That proves I'm correct.
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RE: Are there any recent examples of a team moving out of Division I.
(03-19-2017 11:02 AM)MplsBison Wrote:  Going to the tournament doesn't magically turn a provisional into an actual member of DI.

Oh boy...

NCAA doesn't let just anyone participate for a championship in a division. You have to qualify, and if they say you're good, that's good enough.

But, maybe you should have that conversation with the NCAA, instead of someone here?
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Sorry, the rules are the rules.

There is no language like "If a provisional member qualifies for the NCAA Men's Basketball Championship Tournament before the end of the provisional period, the remainder of the provisional period is waived."


That proves I'm right.
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(03-18-2017 01:14 AM)dxdtdemon Wrote:  As I said in another thread, unless something drastically changes, Wright State will likely have to cut athletics altogether in the next two years and there would be an opening in the Horizon League. Do you think they'll stay at nine or will someone end up joining?

I don't think Wright State drops down. They may try to get down to the minimum of 14 sports but they didn't hire Nagy, give him a 5 year contract and pay him $500K base so they can drop basketball down to D2.

I would not be surprised to see the school taken over by Ohio State or have the State step in and begin eliminating administration to get the school back on track. They definitely have a mess, but it is a self inflicted mess.
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And I hope they go after the jerks who ripped off the endowment!
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(03-22-2017 08:41 AM)MplsBison Wrote:  
(03-19-2017 02:45 PM)Fresno St. Alum Wrote:  Provisional member is part of D-I membership, so says the NCAA.

If that were true, then the NCAA wouldn't even have rules about provisionals. They'd just be DI members after the exploratory year.

That proves I'm correct.

And they are D-I after their exploratory year. The play in a D-I conf. they are D-I RPI and can get an at large bid. I win you will always lose get used to it. I'll never stop tell you STFU about this.
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RE: Are there any recent examples of a team moving out of Division I.
(03-23-2017 01:47 AM)Fresno St. Alum Wrote:  they are D-I after their exploratory year

The NCAA rules prove this is wrong.
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