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RE: Are there any recent examples of a team moving out of Division I.
Here's the list I made years ago from 1985 to now.

'85 Oklahoma City to NAIA
'86 W.Texas A&M to D-II
'87 Armstrong Atlantic St. to D-II to dropped athletics
'87 Utica to D-III
'90 Hardin-Simmons to D-III
'91 US International to dropped athletics
'91 GRU-Augusta(Augusta St.) to D-II
'92 Brooklyn to D-III
'98 NE Illinois to dropped athletics
'03 Morris Brown to dropped athletics
'06 Birmingham-Southern to D-III
'10 Winston-Salem St. to D-II
'11 Centenary to D-III

I didn't count HBU and Oral Roberts because they came back.
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RE: Are there any recent examples of a team moving out of Division I.
I don't think WSSU counts, they were investigating it and decided not to become full DI members.

Centenary and B-S are the two modern examples of retaining athletics while leaving NCAA DI.


Chicago St should simply drop athletics. Not sure if I count that the same ...
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RE: Are there any recent examples of a team moving out of Division I.
(03-10-2017 05:25 AM)Fresno St. Alum Wrote:  Here's the list I made years ago from 1985 to now.

'85 Oklahoma City to NAIA
'86 W.Texas A&M to D-II
'87 Armstrong Atlantic St. to D-II to dropped athletics
'87 Utica to D-III
'90 Hardin-Simmons to D-III
'91 US International to dropped athletics
'91 GRU-Augusta(Augusta St.) to D-II
'92 Brooklyn to D-III
'98 NE Illinois to dropped athletics
'03 Morris Brown to dropped athletics
'06 Birmingham-Southern to D-III
'10 Winston-Salem St. to D-II
'11 Centenary to D-III

I didn't count HBU and Oral Roberts because they came back.


Great list - thanks for that!
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RE: Are there any recent examples of a team moving out of Division I.
(03-10-2017 11:17 AM)MplsBison Wrote:  I don't think WSSU counts, they were investigating it and decided not to become full DI members.

Centenary and B-S are the two modern examples of retaining athletics while leaving NCAA DI.


Chicago St should simply drop athletics. Not sure if I count that the same ...

They played in the MEAC for 4 years they count in my book and that's the one I go by. You can make a list w/o them if you want and throw in ORU and HBU if you want.
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RE: Are there any recent examples of a team moving out of Division I.
(03-10-2017 12:52 PM)Fresno St. Alum Wrote:  
(03-10-2017 11:17 AM)MplsBison Wrote:  I don't think WSSU counts, they were investigating it and decided not to become full DI members.

Centenary and B-S are the two modern examples of retaining athletics while leaving NCAA DI.


Chicago St should simply drop athletics. Not sure if I count that the same ...

They played in the MEAC for 4 years they count in my book and that's the one I go by. You can make a list w/o them if you want and throw in ORU and HBU if you want.


Would Cal. State-LA count since the modern era of college football and sports started in the 1970s. They dropped down to D2 in 1974 Big West member.

University of Baltimore, left NEC in 1983 since they dropped sports.

Trinity, Texas- Southland Conference, left in 1972 to D3.

Gettysburg part of the former East Coast Conference that had Temple and them. Left in 1974 to D3.

Brooklyn College left 1992 to join D3. East Coast Conference

West Chester left D1 in 1982 to D2. East Coast Conference

Northern Michigan in one year at D1 level with the Association of Mid-Continent Football. Left after the 1980 season. The conference had Youngstown State and others that are now in MAC. Would be interested if they stayed in D1 for all sports. Could be an anchor for other D2 schools in the area to join FCS.

You have to look up defunct conferences to find more former D1 schools.
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RE: Are there any recent examples of a team moving out of Division I.
At least for basketball:

Baltimore 1983
West Chester 1982
Catholic 1981
Cal State LA 1975
Gettysburg 1973
Trinity (TX) 1973
Loyola (LA) 1972
NYU 1971

Also of note:
CCNY 1953 (former bball power)
Chicago 1946 (Big 10)
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RE: Are there any recent examples of a team moving out of Division I.
Centenary Gents was an elegant, classic name. That alone mad their demotion sad.
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RE: Are there any recent examples of a team moving out of Division I.
(03-10-2017 07:28 PM)DavidSt Wrote:  
(03-10-2017 12:52 PM)Fresno St. Alum Wrote:  
(03-10-2017 11:17 AM)MplsBison Wrote:  I don't think WSSU counts, they were investigating it and decided not to become full DI members.

Centenary and B-S are the two modern examples of retaining athletics while leaving NCAA DI.


Chicago St should simply drop athletics. Not sure if I count that the same ...

They played in the MEAC for 4 years they count in my book and that's the one I go by. You can make a list w/o them if you want and throw in ORU and HBU if you want.


Would Cal. State-LA count since the modern era of college football and sports started in the 1970s. They dropped down to D2 in 1974 Big West member.

University of Baltimore, left NEC in 1983 since they dropped sports.

Trinity, Texas- Southland Conference, left in 1972 to D3.

Gettysburg part of the former East Coast Conference that had Temple and them. Left in 1974 to D3.

Brooklyn College left 1992 to join D3. East Coast Conference

West Chester left D1 in 1982 to D2. East Coast Conference

Northern Michigan in one year at D1 level with the Association of Mid-Continent Football. Left after the 1980 season. The conference had Youngstown State and others that are now in MAC. Would be interested if they stayed in D1 for all sports. Could be an anchor for other D2 schools in the area to join FCS.

You have to look up defunct conferences to find more former D1 schools.
My list starts in 1985 because that's when they went to 64 teams. There's no other reason I can think of why I picked that year. I started watching 86-87 season.
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RE: Are there any recent examples of a team moving out of Division I.
Just for clarity regarding Trinity and Abilene
When the NCAA went with the federated system for 1972 and everyone had to make a decision what division they wanted to compete in, the Southland had a disagreement. Trinity and Abilene advocated for Division II so the compromise was that the league would be playing Division I for everything except football which would be Division II (allowed at the time). The rest wanted Division I so the league was Division I all sports except football in 1972 and over the 72, 73, 74 seasons began positioning for Division I football while they departed. Abilene moved to the Lone Star and Division II, while they technically did drop from Division I to Division II they were operating under Division II rules that year in Division I. Trinity's situation was more convoluted as they were playing in multiple Divisions (most notably tennis was Division I, football was Division II) until they finally went Division III.

While technically correct that Abilene dropped, functionally that is inaccurate.
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RE: Are there any recent examples of a team moving out of Division I.
(03-08-2017 10:54 PM)3BNole Wrote:  I believe with Birmingham Southern, starting football and the costs of that were also part of the decision. Being a college baseball fan, losing both of those teams really was a shame as they were both pretty good in the sport and had some tradition.

Actually, it wasn't just costs for Birmingham Southern. It was a chance to generate revenue. They made the decision to start a D3 football team, so they had all those new students coming in to play football, paying tuition. The D1 basketball and baseball team was a casualty of this decision.
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RE: Are there any recent examples of a team moving out of Division I.
(03-10-2017 12:52 PM)Fresno St. Alum Wrote:  They played in the MEAC for 4 years

Irrelevant, they were never members of DI. So you can't leave something you were never a part of.
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RE: Are there any recent examples of a team moving out of Division I.
(03-11-2017 12:43 PM)Memphis Blazer Wrote:  
(03-08-2017 10:54 PM)3BNole Wrote:  I believe with Birmingham Southern, starting football and the costs of that were also part of the decision. Being a college baseball fan, losing both of those teams really was a shame as they were both pretty good in the sport and had some tradition.

Actually, it wasn't just costs for Birmingham Southern. It was a chance to generate revenue. They made the decision to start a D3 football team, so they had all those new students coming in to play football, paying tuition. The D1 basketball and baseball team was a casualty of this decision.

If Birmingham-Southern had just waited a few more years, they could have had a spot if the Pioneer League with Stetson and Jacksonville. The Pioneer didn't have an autobid like it does now. Birmingham-Southern could have got a tuition paying football team without sacrificing DI.
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RE: Are there any recent examples of a team moving out of Division I.
That last statement is only partially true.

All those Pioneer teams, but especially the private schools, use the DIII model for athletics: no "athletic scholarships", per se, but we'll make sure you don't pay full tuition, somehow.
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RE: Are there any recent examples of a team moving out of Division I.
I like division 3 sports so nothing wrong with the model. A school like Davidson could very well be better off in d3 and not worry about spending the effort for d1. I mean Kenyon college does fine as a school being d3.
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RE: Are there any recent examples of a team moving out of Division I.
(03-12-2017 11:42 AM)MplsBison Wrote:  
(03-10-2017 12:52 PM)Fresno St. Alum Wrote:  They played in the MEAC for 4 years

Irrelevant, they were never members of DI. So you can't leave something you were never a part of.

wrong! MEAC is a D-I conf. they were in, you can pretend they weren't in it for 4 YEARS!
Starting w/ their 2nd year in D-I their games counted as D-I games for them and their opponents as well.
"Winston-Salem State competed in Division I from the 2007–08 season to the 2009–10 season as a transitional member of the Mid-Eastern Athletic Conference (MEAC); it returned to Division II in 2010 for financial reasons" You can't return to D-II if you never left.

Done talking about this w/ you. make your own list!
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RE: Are there any recent examples of a team moving out of Division I.
(03-12-2017 03:15 PM)bluesox Wrote:  I like division 3 sports so nothing wrong with the model. A school like Davidson could very well be better off in d3 and not worry about spending the effort for d1. I mean Kenyon college does fine as a school being d3.

But you get zero exposure. Everyone remembers their run with Steph Curry. Had history gone slightly differently, they would have been in the ACC and as it is are only a step or two below in the A-10.
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RE: Are there any recent examples of a team moving out of Division I.
That is why Rowan wants to move up from D3 to D1 for the exposure. As is, nobody is getting the exposure at the lower levels. That is why a lot of schools from D2 looking at going to D1 which includes most of the Texas schools in the Lonestar conference.
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RE: Are there any recent examples of a team moving out of Division I.
(03-12-2017 06:09 PM)Fresno St. Alum Wrote:  MEAC is a D-I conf. they were in, you can pretend they weren't in it for 4 YEARS!

At the end of the five year exploratory period, WSSU decided it would not be in its best self interest to join NCAA DI.

Thus, it never became a member of NCAA DI. Therefore, it did not leave NCAA DI.


Those are just facts. Your list is false, to include them.
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RE: Are there any recent examples of a team moving out of Division I.
(03-13-2017 10:22 AM)MplsBison Wrote:  
(03-12-2017 06:09 PM)Fresno St. Alum Wrote:  MEAC is a D-I conf. they were in, you can pretend they weren't in it for 4 YEARS!

At the end of the five year exploratory period, WSSU decided it would not be in its best self interest to join NCAA DI.

Thus, it never became a member of NCAA DI. Therefore, it did not leave NCAA DI.


Those are just facts. Your list is false, to include them.

Wiki agrees w/ me the CIAA and MEAC agreed w/ me. All of us>>>>>>>>>you and your continuous b*tching about my list.

Also to piss more into your cherrios ACU, UIW, GCU, UM-Lowell have been playing D-I since 2013 even though they're provisional. NCAA counts all of their games as D-I starting yr 2 just like they did WSSU. Is ACU, UIW, GCU, UM-Lowell playing D-II sports now or D-I? The answer is D-I. Provisional or not they've been D-I since 2013.
During year 1 you are not considered D-I or D-II by the NCAA during the transition to the schools you play. The 2nd year you count as a D-I member when you play other D-I schools according the the NCAA.
Question? Has GCU been playing in D-I WAC or D-II PWC the last few years? Has UM-Lowell been playing in D-I AEC or D-II NE-10 the last few years? Has ACU and UIW been playing in the D-I SLC or D-II LSC & Heartland the last few years? Did WSSU play in the D-I MEAC from 2006-10 or D-II CIAA from 06-10?

Most important is I can include whoever the f*ck want in my list, because it is MY LIST.
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RE: Are there any recent examples of a team moving out of Division I.
(03-14-2017 03:09 AM)Fresno St. Alum Wrote:  
(03-13-2017 10:22 AM)MplsBison Wrote:  
(03-12-2017 06:09 PM)Fresno St. Alum Wrote:  MEAC is a D-I conf. they were in, you can pretend they weren't in it for 4 YEARS!

At the end of the five year exploratory period, WSSU decided it would not be in its best self interest to join NCAA DI.

Thus, it never became a member of NCAA DI. Therefore, it did not leave NCAA DI.


Those are just facts. Your list is false, to include them.

Wiki agrees w/ me the CIAA and MEAC agreed w/ me. All of us>>>>>>>>>you and your continuous b*tching about my list.

Also to piss more into your cherrios ACU, UIW, GCU, UM-Lowell have been playing D-I since 2013 even though they're provisional. NCAA counts all of their games as D-I starting yr 2 just like they did WSSU. Is ACU, UIW, GCU, UM-Lowell playing D-II sports now or D-I? The answer is D-I. Provisional or not they've been D-I since 2013.
During year 1 you are not considered D-I or D-II by the NCAA during the transition to the schools you play. The 2nd year you count as a D-I member when you play other D-I schools according the the NCAA.
Question? Has GCU been playing in D-I WAC or D-II PWC the last few years? Has UM-Lowell been playing in D-I AEC or D-II NE-10 the last few years? Has ACU and UIW been playing in the D-I SLC or D-II LSC & Heartland the last few years? Did WSSU play in the D-I MEAC from 2006-10 or D-II CIAA from 06-10?

Most important is I can include whoever the f*ck want in my list, because it is MY LIST.


I believe ACU was could have been considered D1 in the University era. One of those that went up and down.
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