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(03-12-2017 03:16 PM)oldmangrizz Wrote:  Hiring Penny would not end well for either party, whenever that might be. I'm just not up for that a third time.

Any other school talking about hiring him ?
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(03-12-2017 07:10 PM)Easterwood Wrote:  
(03-12-2017 03:16 PM)oldmangrizz Wrote:  Hiring Penny would not end well for either party, whenever that might be. I'm just not up for that a third time.

Any other school talking about hiring him ?


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RE: Penny Hardaway
(03-12-2017 07:10 PM)Easterwood Wrote:  
(03-12-2017 03:16 PM)oldmangrizz Wrote:  Hiring Penny would not end well for either party, whenever that might be. I'm just not up for that a third time.

Any other school talking about hiring him ?

No school wanted my friend Larry either, but he was hired and did fine. My point is how does anyone know for sure what or how someone will do and be without seeing it play out? I'm for anyone until I see they can't do it. I'd back Andy Kennedy even though I wouldn't like the hire one damn bit. He would get the chance to make himself or break himself.

A fair question to ask some of you guys is this...if they hired Steve Forbes and he wasn't getting the job done would he receive the same bashing as others would from you, or would some here be blinded by their like for the guy, much like I was for Larry?
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We sound a lot like Houston hiring Clyde Drexler to fix it
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RE: Penny Hardaway
(03-12-2017 08:45 PM)TubbyTime Wrote:  
(03-12-2017 07:10 PM)Easterwood Wrote:  
(03-12-2017 03:16 PM)oldmangrizz Wrote:  Hiring Penny would not end well for either party, whenever that might be. I'm just not up for that a third time.

Any other school talking about hiring him ?

No school wanted my friend Larry either, but he was hired and did fine. My point is how does anyone know for sure what or how someone will do and be without seeing it play out? I'm for anyone until I see they can't do it. I'd back Andy Kennedy even though I wouldn't like the hire one damn bit. He would get the chance to make himself or break himself.

A fair question to ask some of you guys is this...if they hired Steve Forbes and he wasn't getting the job done would he receive the same bashing as others would from you, or would some here be blinded by their like for the guy, much like I was for Larry?
Honestly, it would depend on what his recruiting looked like. If it was like Tubbs, then he'd get the same treatment
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RE: Penny Hardaway
(03-12-2017 08:59 PM)tigerjamesc Wrote:  We sound a lot like Houston hiring Clyde Drexler to fix it

No we don't. I just said whoever they hire I will support until they show they can't do the job.
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RE: Penny Hardaway
(03-12-2017 08:45 PM)TubbyTime Wrote:  
(03-12-2017 07:10 PM)Easterwood Wrote:  
(03-12-2017 03:16 PM)oldmangrizz Wrote:  Hiring Penny would not end well for either party, whenever that might be. I'm just not up for that a third time.

Any other school talking about hiring him ?

No school wanted my friend Larry either, but he was hired and did fine. My point is how does anyone know for sure what or how someone will do and be without seeing it play out? I'm for anyone until I see they can't do it. I'd back Andy Kennedy even though I wouldn't like the hire one damn bit. He would get the chance to make himself or break himself.

A fair question to ask some of you guys is this...if they hired Steve Forbes and he wasn't getting the job done would he receive the same bashing as others would from you, or would some here be blinded by their like for the guy, much like I was for Larry?

Stop Eric
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RE: Penny Hardaway
(03-12-2017 09:57 PM)Easterwood Wrote:  
(03-12-2017 08:45 PM)TubbyTime Wrote:  
(03-12-2017 07:10 PM)Easterwood Wrote:  
(03-12-2017 03:16 PM)oldmangrizz Wrote:  Hiring Penny would not end well for either party, whenever that might be. I'm just not up for that a third time.

Any other school talking about hiring him ?

No school wanted my friend Larry either, but he was hired and did fine. My point is how does anyone know for sure what or how someone will do and be without seeing it play out? I'm for anyone until I see they can't do it. I'd back Andy Kennedy even though I wouldn't like the hire one damn bit. He would get the chance to make himself or break himself.

A fair question to ask some of you guys is this...if they hired Steve Forbes and he wasn't getting the job done would he receive the same bashing as others would from you, or would some here be blinded by their like for the guy, much like I was for Larry?

Stop Eric

Who is Eric??

And what does that have to do with the facts, the truth, and the fair question I asked? It's an easy question to answer.
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(03-05-2017 04:48 PM)danny1 Wrote:  All of you clowns already giving up on Tubby make me sick. Between the chronic complainers and those that insult others for fun, there just aren't too many of the old gang that made this board a good place to go for legitimate discussion and information. It is truly sad.

Did you watch the last two games until the end. The team quit. Where there's rot, you've got to dig it out and replace something.
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Regarding Penny, I think we have to look at risk vs. reward.

Risk:1. Does he WANT the gig? I've never heard he wants the job, so this may all be moot.
2. No D1 coaching experience.
3. How many recruits have we gotten to the Tigers because of Penny thus far?
4. Serious egg on our face if it doesn't work out.
5. This board seems to be intolerant of coaches who play golf. -snicker-
6. Can he recruit? We don't know, because he doesn't have to now.
7. How much does his legacy resonate with HS kids today?

Reward:1. He knows basketball.
2. He's a great face for the program, obviously.
3. He'd inject energy into a comatose program.
4. He's great with the press. That's more important than a lot of people think.

I think this is all academic anyway, but IMO, not worth the risk.
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RE: Penny Hardaway
(03-12-2017 08:45 PM)TubbyTime Wrote:  
(03-12-2017 07:10 PM)Easterwood Wrote:  
(03-12-2017 03:16 PM)oldmangrizz Wrote:  Hiring Penny would not end well for either party, whenever that might be. I'm just not up for that a third time.

Any other school talking about hiring him ?

No school wanted my friend Larry either, but he was hired and did fine. My point is how does anyone know for sure what or how someone will do and be without seeing it play out? I'm for anyone until I see they can't do it. I'd back Andy Kennedy even though I wouldn't like the hire one damn bit. He would get the chance to make himself or break himself.

A fair question to ask some of you guys is this...if they hired Steve Forbes and he wasn't getting the job done would he receive the same bashing as others would from you, or would some here be blinded by their like for the guy, much like I was for Larry?

Larry had about 10 years experience coaching under Bartow at UAB and Kirk here. Penny is not even the "official" coach at East high.
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RE: Penny Hardaway
(03-13-2017 09:41 AM)VinnieVegas Wrote:  
(03-12-2017 08:45 PM)TubbyTime Wrote:  
(03-12-2017 07:10 PM)Easterwood Wrote:  
(03-12-2017 03:16 PM)oldmangrizz Wrote:  Hiring Penny would not end well for either party, whenever that might be. I'm just not up for that a third time.

Any other school talking about hiring him ?

No school wanted my friend Larry either, but he was hired and did fine. My point is how does anyone know for sure what or how someone will do and be without seeing it play out? I'm for anyone until I see they can't do it. I'd back Andy Kennedy even though I wouldn't like the hire one damn bit. He would get the chance to make himself or break himself.

A fair question to ask some of you guys is this...if they hired Steve Forbes and he wasn't getting the job done would he receive the same bashing as others would from you, or would some here be blinded by their like for the guy, much like I was for Larry?

Larry had about 10 years experience coaching under Bartow at UAB and Kirk here. Penny is not even the "official" coach at East high.
I realize that Vinnie, I simply was pointing out that nobody was trying to hire Larry either, which is true. Also, I think some of you are missing the point. I'm not saying they need to hire Penny and nobody else. I'm saying I will support whoever they hire and give that guy a chance to prove he can or can't get the job done. Also last I checked we still have a coach. Whoever the next coach is after Tubby, I'm going to support and back until they are screwing the program up. What's wrong with that?
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(03-13-2017 10:28 AM)TubbyTime Wrote:  
(03-13-2017 09:41 AM)VinnieVegas Wrote:  
(03-12-2017 08:45 PM)TubbyTime Wrote:  
(03-12-2017 07:10 PM)Easterwood Wrote:  
(03-12-2017 03:16 PM)oldmangrizz Wrote:  Hiring Penny would not end well for either party, whenever that might be. I'm just not up for that a third time.

Any other school talking about hiring him ?

No school wanted my friend Larry either, but he was hired and did fine. My point is how does anyone know for sure what or how someone will do and be without seeing it play out? I'm for anyone until I see they can't do it. I'd back Andy Kennedy even though I wouldn't like the hire one damn bit. He would get the chance to make himself or break himself.

A fair question to ask some of you guys is this...if they hired Steve Forbes and he wasn't getting the job done would he receive the same bashing as others would from you, or would some here be blinded by their like for the guy, much like I was for Larry?

Larry had about 10 years experience coaching under Bartow at UAB and Kirk here. Penny is not even the "official" coach at East high.
I realize that Vinnie, I simply was pointing out that nobody was trying to hire Larry either, which is true. Also, I think some of you are missing the point. I'm not saying they need to hire Penny and nobody else. I'm saying I will support whoever they hire and give that guy a chance to prove he can or can't get the job done. Also last I checked we still have a coach. Whoever the next coach is after Tubby, I'm going to support and back until they are screwing the program up. What's wrong with that?

We know all this
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(03-04-2017 06:34 PM)UMTiger02 Wrote:  You all think Memphis can hire a "big time coach". People's perception of Memphis is way lower then many of you. Up and coming coaches wanna coach in ACC, or Big 12 or Big Ten or whatever. Not the AAC. Just like football. Penny would've been a helluva lot better then what we have now.

It's been a while, but we hired Cal didn't we? Our football team has been far worse off, but that didn't keep us from making 2 solid hires as of late. We don't need a rock star coach, we just need someone who can get the job done. Mark Few and Brad Stevens aren't flashy.
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(03-12-2017 07:10 PM)Easterwood Wrote:  
(03-12-2017 03:16 PM)oldmangrizz Wrote:  Hiring Penny would not end well for either party, whenever that might be. I'm just not up for that a third time.

Any other school talking about hiring him ?

This.....

I am terribly disappointed about this season....
Patience people
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RE: Penny Hardaway
(03-12-2017 07:10 PM)Easterwood Wrote:  
(03-12-2017 03:16 PM)oldmangrizz Wrote:  Hiring Penny would not end well for either party, whenever that might be. I'm just not up for that a third time.

Any other school talking about hiring him ?

I love Penny. One of my favorite Tigers ever. I loved watching Penny play in the NBA. Think if he'd had some longevity we'd talk about him like people talk about Kobe.


The idea of hiring Penny is the worst kind of magical thinking, cargo cult decision making. It's aping the idea of success instead of actually aiming for it. Penny was in the NBA. He was part of the program when it was successful. And somehow that magical success dust from when he was a player is going to rub off on the program. It's the same kind of thinking that leads third and fourth tier programs to hire retreads like Ron Zook over and over again. He used to coach Florida! Yeah and they fired him. If he couldn't get it done there why would you think he could get it done at Illinois.

He's been out of the NBA for 10 years. He's a high school basketball coach. He hasn't been spending the past 10 years paying dues as a college assistant or head coach of a smaller university. He has no real experience running a D1 program and hasn't got any Rabbis in the profession. And all indications are that he doesn't seem to want to put in the kind of work that the job entails. Which is fine. Great even. He's apparently doing a lot of good at East and enjoying life. But you can't just give Penny the head coaching job at The University of Memphis because he's Penny.

The last time the fans pushed the admin to hire a former player with little to no experience we ended up with Porter. We shouldn't make the same mistake again.


And God help us if we ever actually had to fire him.
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The point is we wouldn't know till we tried it. 'That's why we play the game.'

He's a fierce competitor and a winner. Would he sit around and not find some way to win? He's got connections and he did manage the bad boys.

I don't know if it would work..I just have to take the opposite side, because it's funny to see all these people coming out of the woodwork saying he couldn't do it and it would be a disaster. It would be a big roll of the dice.


Future is not predictable-- that's why we play the game.
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RE: Penny Hardaway
(03-13-2017 12:00 PM)Briskbas Wrote:  
(03-12-2017 07:10 PM)Easterwood Wrote:  
(03-12-2017 03:16 PM)oldmangrizz Wrote:  Hiring Penny would not end well for either party, whenever that might be. I'm just not up for that a third time.

Any other school talking about hiring him ?

I love Penny. One of my favorite Tigers ever. I loved watching Penny play in the NBA. Think if he'd had some longevity we'd talk about him like people talk about Kobe.


The idea of hiring Penny is the worst kind of magical thinking, cargo cult decision making. It's aping the idea of success instead of actually aiming for it. Penny was in the NBA. He was part of the program when it was successful. And somehow that magical success dust from when he was a player is going to rub off on the program. It's the same kind of thinking that leads third and fourth tier programs to hire retreads like Ron Zook over and over again. He used to coach Florida! Yeah and they fired him. If he couldn't get it done there why would you think he could get it done at Illinois.

He's been out of the NBA for 10 years. He's a high school basketball coach. He hasn't been spending the past 10 years paying dues as a college assistant or head coach of a smaller university. He has no real experience running a D1 program and hasn't got any Rabbis in the profession. And all indications are that he doesn't seem to want to put in the kind of work that the job entails. Which is fine. Great even. He's apparently doing a lot of good at East and enjoying life. But you can't just give Penny the head coaching job at The University of Memphis because he's Penny.

The last time the fans pushed the admin to hire a former player with little to no experience we ended up with Porter. We shouldn't make the same mistake again.


And God help us if we ever actually had to fire him.

BAD analogy!!!!!! Last time I checked LP couldn't complete a simple sentence, never mind a COMPLEX one! Which to me gives the immediate impression of a low IQ....Because of Penny's connections;affiliations; stature; accomplishments; wisdom and insights......If he says he would accept those responsibilities and put forth a capable staff!!!! Then those accolades deserves him getting an opportunity.......especially if he does it on the CHEAP!!!!!! Hell, I would trust him more than I trusted Josh.....And WE know PENNY wants to WIN EVERY GAME!!!!!! Which is something that we're in the process of verifying if that's the case with TUBBS 01-lauramac2
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(03-05-2017 04:48 PM)danny1 Wrote:  All of you clowns already giving up on Tubby make me sick. Between the chronic complainers and those that insult others for fun, there just aren't too many of the old gang that made this board a good place to go for legitimate discussion and information. It is truly sad.

It truly is and it's not worth it to comment on some of the posts.
Total nonsense.
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